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RedBaron0 wrote:The small map is usually the most annoying part, take your time and get it as right as possible to start and we'll help you along the way.

It's definitely a lot harder than I had expected. I assumed retaining proportions over a resize would be a pretty simple adjustment, but quite a few things look pretty sloppy.

I'm not sure if this will help, but... I've noticed that resizing usually works best when the ratios hit even pixels, eg. 400x400 -> 300x300 = 4:3, meaning 4x4 pixels becomes 3x3 pixels. Then again if you resize 400x400 into 320x320, even though the proportions are the same, in this case 4x4 pixels becomes 3.2x3.2 pixels, and this can cause some distortion, especially at small details, thin lines etc.

My best advice is to figure out a ratio that hits even pixels, while staying withing the guidelines of image size.

resizing is a drag, but you shouldn't lose any sleep over it. Since it's not like this is a huge map to begin with I'd suggest going with the max small width of 630 pixels. Here's a simple resizing of your latest jpg... it looks fine to me, but I'm sure a resize of the original psd would look even better.



Let me know how I can help.

Version 13:
-More pixelation work
-A couple territory name adjustments
-Small map!

Version 13:
Large


Small

Looks solid to me! I don't see any problems whatsoever, if I was a mod I'd stamp this right now.

natty_dread wrote:Looks solid to me! I don't see any problems whatsoever, if I was a mod I'd stamp this right now.

Notably, I have to switch Quetz./Guatamela's positions on the large map like they are on the small. I feel like it could promote as to which is connected to the wheel, so I moved them around.

Yes, that's probably a good idea.

Hi.

Just some thoughts.

This may or may not have been addressed but what jumps out at me is the orange Belize bonus might blend to closely to orange numbers.

Your using 3 shades of green for bonus regions. Colorblindness could be an issue.

You could use a brown and a tan.

GL

The next time you post an update, if you could please post it without the 88s I'll be able to use it to check coordinates. Thanks.

Version 13:
-Moved the name int he large version
-Took the 88s out for Oak
-Left one 88 in Belize so we can see that it's readable =)

Version 13:
Large


With the 88 in Belize


Small


I'm pretty sure we have looked through all of the colors with regards to colorblind issues. If anything comes up, we can change it; but I'm pretty sure they were deemed okay.

With regards to the orange- I left an orange 88 up there so we can see it's readable =)

New version up without 88s, let's get this done!

oaktown wrote:The next time you post an update, if you could please post it without the 88s I'll be able to use it to check coordinates. Thanks.

Up

wow. this map has come a long way since my last visit. Looking good!

RjBeals wrote:wow. this map has come a long way since my last visit. Looking good!

Thanks Hopefully we can get it moving along and finish it up soon!

I like the look of this map very much.
I would like to see some different options for the water, in the way of textures.

Alright, here's the updated XML with coordinates. My only concern is that I used chipv's XML Wizard to test and tweak the coordinates and it reverted my character entity references to the actual characters... if i remember correctly, CC's engine has always been able to read the straight characters, but BOB had trouble with them. If BOB's problems have been resolved, we're good to go.

Map looking good by the way, Igo!

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<map>

    <title>Central America</title>
    <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
    <smallheight>507</smallheight>
    <largewidth>740</largewidth>
    <largeheight>596</largeheight>
    <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>San Salvador</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Usulután</territory>
   </position>
</positions>
<continent>
   <name>Guatemala</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Petén</territory>
      <territory>Izabal</territory>
      <territory>Las Verapaces</territory>
      <territory>Quetzaltenango</territory>
      <territory>Guatemala</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Belize</name>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Orange Walk</territory>
      <territory>The Cayes</territory>
      <territory>Belmopan</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Honduras</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Copán</territory>
      <territory>Alténtida</territory>
      <territory>Islas de la Bahía</territory>
      <territory>Tegucigalpa</territory>
      <territory>Olancho</territory>
      <territory>Colón</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>El Salvador</name>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>San Salvador</territory>
      <territory>Usulután</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Nicaragua</name>
   <bonus>5</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</territory>
      <territory>Jinotega</territory>
      <territory>Chinandega</territory>
      <territory>Managua</territory>
      <territory>Boaca</territory>
      <territory>Atlántico Sur</territory>
      <territory>Rio San Juan</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Panamá</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Darien Gap</territory>
      <territory>Canal</territory>
      <territory>Bocas del Toro</territory>
      <territory>Chiriquí</territory>
      <territory>Coclé</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Costa Rica</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Limón</territory>
      <territory>Puntarenas</territory>
      <territory>San José</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Shipping Lanes</name>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Canal</territory>
      <territory>Pacific Sea Route</territory>
      <territory>Atlantic Sea Route</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<territory>
   <name>Orange Walk</name>
   <borders>
      <border>The Cayes</border>
      <border>Belmopan</border>
      <border>Petén</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>153</smallx>
      <smally>82</smally>
      <largex>182</largex>
      <largey>93</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>The Cayes</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Orange Walk</border>
      <border>Belmopan</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>210</smallx>
      <smally>94</smally>
      <largex>257</largex>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Belmopan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>The Cayes</border>
      <border>Orange Walk</border>
      <border>Petén</border>
      <border>Izabal</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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      <smally>125</smally>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Petén</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Orange Walk</border>
      <border>Belmopan</border>
      <border>Izabal</border>
      <border>Las Verapaces</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Izabal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Belmopan</border>
      <border>Petén</border>
      <border>Las Verapaces</border>
      <border>Guatemala</border>
      <border>Copán</border>
   </borders>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Las Verapaces</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Quetzaltenango</border>
      <border>Petén</border>
      <border>Izabal</border>
      <border>Guatemala</border>
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   <name>Guatemala</name>
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      <border>Las Verapaces</border>
      <border>Izabal</border>
      <border>Copán</border>
      <border>San Salvador</border>
      <border>Pacific Sea Route</border>
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   <name>Quetzaltenango</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Las Verapaces</border>
      <border>Guatemala</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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   <name>San Salvador</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Guatemala</border>
      <border>Copán</border>
      <border>Usulután</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>124</smallx>
      <smally>227</smally>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Usulután</name>
   <borders>
      <border>San Salvador</border>
      <border>Copán</border>
      <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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      <smally>258</smally>
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   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Copán</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Izabal</border>
      <border>Atlantic Sea Route</border>
      <border>Alténtida</border>
      <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
      <border>Usulután</border>
      <border>San Salvador</border>
      <border>Guatemala</border>
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   <name>Alténtida</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Islas de la Bahía</border>
      <border>Colón</border>
      <border>Olancho</border>
      <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
      <border>Copán</border>
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   <name>Islas de la Bahía</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Alténtida</border>
      <border>Colón</border>
   </borders>
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   <name>Tegucigalpa</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Copán</border>
      <border>Alténtida</border>
      <border>Olancho</border>
      <border>Jinotega</border>
      <border>Chinandega</border>
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   <name>Olancho</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Alténtida</border>
      <border>Colón</border>
      <border>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</border>
      <border>Jinotega</border>
      <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
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   <name>Colón</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Alténtida</border>
      <border>Islas de la Bahía</border>
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      <border>Olancho</border>
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   <name>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</name>
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      <border>Colón</border>
      <border>Atlántico Sur</border>
      <border>Jinotega</border>
      <border>Olancho</border>
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</territory>
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   <name>Jinotega</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</border>
      <border>Atlántico Sur</border>
      <border>Boaca</border>
      <border>Chinandega</border>
      <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
      <border>Olancho</border>
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</territory>
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   <name>Chinandega</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
      <border>Jinotega</border>
      <border>Boaca</border>
      <border>Managua</border>
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</territory>
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   <name>Managua</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Chinandega</border>
      <border>Boaca</border>
      <border>San José</border>
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   <name>Boaca</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Jinotega</border>
      <border>Atlántico Sur</border>
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      <border>Managua</border>
      <border>Chinandega</border>
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   <name>Atlántico Sur</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</border>
      <border>Rio San Juan</border>
      <border>Boaca</border>
      <border>Jinotega</border>
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   <name>Rio San Juan</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Boaca</border>
      <border>Atlántico Sur</border>
      <border>Limón</border>
      <border>San José</border>
      <border>Atlantic Sea Route</border>
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   <name>San José</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Managua</border>
      <border>Rio San Juan</border>
      <border>Limón</border>
      <border>Puntarenas</border>
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   <name>Puntarenas</name>
   <borders>
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      <border>Limón</border>
      <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
      <border>Chiriquí</border>
      <border>Pacific Sea Route</border>
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</territory>
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   <name>Limón</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Rio San Juan</border>
      <border>San José</border>
      <border>Puntarenas</border>
      <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
   </borders>
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</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Chiriquí</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Puntarenas</border>
      <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
      <border>Coclé</border>
   </borders>
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</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Bocas del Toro</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Limón</border>
      <border>Puntarenas</border>
      <border>Chiriquí</border>
      <border>Coclé</border>
      <border>Canal</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Coclé</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Chiriquí</border>
      <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
      <border>Canal</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
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</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Canal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
      <border>Coclé</border>
      <border>Darien Gap</border>
      <border>Pacific Sea Route</border>
      <border>Atlantic Sea Route</border>
   </borders>
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   <name>Darien Gap</name>
   <borders>
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   </borders>
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</territory>
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   <name>Pacific Sea Route</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Canal</border>
      <border>Puntarenas</border>
      <border>Guatemala</border>
   </borders>
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</territory>
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   <name>Atlantic Sea Route</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Canal</border>
      <border>Copán</border>
      <border>Rio San Juan</border>
   </borders>
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      <smally>156</smally>
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Oaktown, you're the man

::Waits eagerly for something to happen::

In case you're curious as to how the map looks with the current army coordinate placement, the big and small images are below. I took the liberty of bumping some a bit to the left of where you had them, to keep 3-digit counts from hitting borders. The only possible areas of concern would be the Atlantic and Pacific Sea Routes on the small map - it's a bit squished. Chiriqui isn't in the best spot, but it'll do. I'm also not crazy about Isla de la Bahia - better on the island than the shadow below it though (dark backgrounds cause problems).

Map looks great, I see nothing that really needs to be corrected, aside from the coordinates Oaktown already pointed out.

Looks like the sea routes could be centered a bit on both versions; Chiriqui could be flipped with the army numbers if you think that would look better. Regarding Islas de la Bahia, I could always move the name up a bit more so the numbers could fit over it instead.

lgoasklucyl wrote:Looks like the sea routes could be centered a bit on both versions; Chiriqui could be flipped with the army numbers if you think that would look better. Regarding Islas de la Bahia, I could always move the name up a bit more so the numbers could fit over it instead.

You may need to make the space in the sea routes a fraction larger to centre the number properly; but it's passable as is.

Flipping Chiriqui around might help; you could possibly move the name/number of Puntarenas down about 8 pixels for a better fit too.

Moving the label of Islas de la Bahia up a bit sounds like a winner too.

Having said that, these are all tiny tiny tiny tweaks that could probably do done in the forge...

MrBenn wrote:

lgoasklucyl wrote:Looks like the sea routes could be centered a bit on both versions; Chiriqui could be flipped with the army numbers if you think that would look better. Regarding Islas de la Bahia, I could always move the name up a bit more so the numbers could fit over it instead.

You may need to make the space in the sea routes a fraction larger to centre the number properly; but it's passable as is.

Flipping Chiriqui around might help; you could possibly move the name/number of Puntarenas down about 8 pixels for a better fit too.

Moving the label of Islas de la Bahia up a bit sounds like a winner too.

Having said that, these are all tiny tiny tiny tweaks that could probably do done in the forge...

I'm unaware of who makes that little nudge...

Redbaron0 and thenobodies80 have the power to give gfx stamps.

Where's that Grafx Stamp??

Probably stuck in the same limbo as my XML stamp


...or maybe they got lost in the mail... because the envelope didn't have enough stamps

when/if this hits the forge I can nudge army circles. Igo - feel free to move anything around as you see fit, as coordinate changes from here on out are simple.