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natty_dread wrote:

jefjef wrote:Strange map. Well any who perhaps "slave" should be replaced by "worker". Just saying. Can't change history but some believe it should be more PC.

I think it would be more offending to try to "sweet talk" and show the history as a happy-happy-joy-joy-thing that it was not. Renaming slaves as "workers" would belittle the sufferings of the slaves and imply that slavery was "ok".

It's kinda like how the nazis called their murdering centers "concentration camps".

Then again, some people would rather pretend history never happened, but if we forget we cannot learn from their mistakes.

There is a reason I have you foed. But that is for a different thread.

Germany had NAZI'S and Swastika's. Lets promote that part of history too. Lest we forget.

jefjef wrote:
There is a reason I have you foed. But that is for a different thread.

I know, and it is that you're a whining little who makes it his business to get offended for things that were not meant as offenses to anyone. Hooray for you.

BTW If you have me foed, how come you're responding to my posts?

Germany had NAZI'S and Swastika's. Lets promote that part of history too.

Yeah, wouldn't you love to live in a world where you could pick and choose history and science, according to what fits your worldview.

Ps. Swastika is a far older symbol than the nazis. It was used by the buddhists since thousands of years ago as a symbol for good fortune. The name swastika is actually from sanskrit, "su" = "welfare" + "asti" = "he is". Have you ever considered how your equating the swastika with the nazis might offend buddhists?

Huh. My equating the swastika to Nazism? Uh. I do not recall choosing that. I believe Adolf did. I spose you can blame me for that if ya want.

But any who. Happy New year all. May most of you continue making fine maps and contributions to the foundry process.

Anyway, let's keep the history & political correctness debate off this thread... there are better forums for it.

This thread should be about the map Jamaica, so allow me to reiterate where we were left before someone decided to derail the topic:

The starting points (the ships) in the map are in the form "Spain, Columbus" and "England, Morgan" but in the XML they're the other way around: "Columbus, Spain" and "Morgan, England". This is kinda confusing. Sure, it's not a big deal, but it'd be a lot easier to find them from the drop down menu if they were named the same way in the map and in the XML.

dolomite13 wrote:I removed "required" tags from the combined "slave and sugar" continents
http://www.bigottergames.com/downloads/jamaicaV31.xml

natty_dread wrote:The starting points (the ships) in the map are in the form "Spain, Columbus" and "England, Morgan" but in the XML they're the other way around: "Columbus, Spain" and "Morgan, England". This is kinda confusing. Sure, it's not a big deal, but it'd be a lot easier to find them from the drop down menu if they were named the same way in the map and in the XML.

dolomite13....can you look at amending this also please.

I have a gameplay concern, I'm playing in a game with my clan members, 5 people. Game 6187666 One of the players hasn't broken out of his starting point yet. Perhaps a higher autodeploy of 3 may be better for all the starting points? Unless the point is not to break out first turn.

safariguy5 wrote:I have a gameplay concern, I'm playing in a game with my clan members, 5 people. Game 6187666 One of the players hasn't broken out of his starting point yet. Perhaps a higher autodeploy of 3 may be better for all the starting points? Unless the point is not to break out first turn.

Yes, not to break out on the first turn is one of the objectives of this map.
That way it stops peps from rushing into things too quickly...you know let the map grow on you, by the time peps do break out they might have some idea of what they need to do to build, since this is a build map.

When it the fixed XML going to be uploaded. I want to play some more games on this map, but won't start any before the bonusses are correct. It is now to easy to get a high bonus, which isn't meant to be that way of course.

Forza AZ wrote:When it the fixed XML going to be uploaded. I want to play some more games on this map, but won't start any before the bonusses are correct. It is now to easy to get a high bonus, which isn't meant to be that way of course.

I don't know. I believe lackattack is away for a fortnight on holdiays, so it could be after that, it could be beofere that. Depends on what he does i guess.

the.killing.44 wrote:

jefjef wrote:Strange map. Well any who perhaps "slave" should be replaced by "worker". Just saying. Can't change history but some believe it should be more PC.

Ehh, when it's historically correct I think it's fine.

Well the statement historically correct should allow nazi symbols on maps that reflect that era. I`m Not surprised there is bias on this site . Typical liberal stance, offend some but not all.. This is exactly why, i ,along with a few of my fellow gamers will not renew there premium.

I changed the naming structure for the starting positions to match the map.

http://www.bigottergames.com/downloads/jamaicaV31a.xml

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<!--  Starting positions -->
<positions>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 1 -->
   <territory start="3">Holland - Blauvelt</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 2 -->
   <territory start="3">Calico Jack</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 3 -->
   <territory start="3">Spain - Columbus</territory>    
   </position>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 4 -->
   <territory start="3">Spain - Esquivel</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 5 -->
   <territory start="3">France - Hamlin</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 6 -->
   <territory start="3">England - Morgan </territory>
   </position>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 7 -->
   <territory start="3">Portugal - Mota</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
   <!--  Player Start 8 -->
   <territory start="3">Spain - Rivero</territory>
   </position>
</positions>


The debate about slavery / nazism isn't one for this thread.

Have you relabeled the territories or just updated the starting positions?

I just played my first JAMAICA and I find it great, mate !! Well done !!

I do, however, think you have to correct the attack point from Morgan - the arrow from ship goes to Royal Port, but it is Port Charles, that gets the landings. I have not read other players comments, so other players may have noticed !!

But a great game, mate !! Keep on the good work !!

Best regards

Mightor

attack point from Morgan - the arrow from ship goes to Royal Port, but it is Port Charles, that gets the landings.

Ships connect to docks... I think it's pretty clear.

dolomite13 wrote:I changed the naming structure for the starting positions to match the map.

http://www.bigottergames.com/downloads/jamaicaV31a.xml

Dolomite13...i am getting an error code from this xml and the file doesn't open properly in Firefox.
Possibly the reason it is not working in the XML Map Inspect.
Can you examine please.

Mightor wrote:I just played my first JAMAICA and I find it great, mate !! Well done !!

I do, however, think you have to correct the attack point from Morgan - the arrow from ship goes to Royal Port, but it is Port Charles, that gets the landings. I have not read other players comments, so other players may have noticed !!

But a great game, mate !! Keep on the good work !!

Best regards

Mightor

Sorry you're confused Mightor....the sealinks shown as dots in the Port Royal inset at bottom of the map are the links to Galleon Harbor and Morant.
I did not show the arrow from England - Morgan to Fort Charles as i thought it would clutter up that map inset. It is clearly stated in the legend that "Starting positions have a home port (i.e. British (England) to Fort Charles", and also "Galleon Harbour and Morant connect to PR Docks via the sea"
I will put up an adjusted version 31 shortly for lackattack to upload so that this connection is clarified, hopefully.

cairnswk wrote:

dolomite13 wrote:I changed the naming structure for the starting positions to match the map.

http://www.bigottergames.com/downloads/jamaicaV31a.xml

Dolomite13...i am getting an error code from this xml and the file doesn't open properly in Firefox.
Possibly the reason it is not working in the XML Map Inspect.
Can you examine please.

sorry it got saved as .txt try it now =)

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dolomite13 wrote:...
sorry it got saved as .txt try it now =)
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Excellent. thanks dolomite13.

So from here....Version 31.
1. I have added the England to Fort Charles arrows to the Port Royal Inset so that there is no confusion about those landing points.
2. the large map still had Morant and Galleon Harbor connecting to fort rupert....
3. i've changed the starting position text to England to Fort Charles on both maps.
4. i can see you've changed all the National names in the script

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Files

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... a_V31S.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... a_V31L.jpg
http://www.bigottergames.com/downloads/jamaicaV31a.xml

MrBenn wrote:Have you relabeled the territories or just updated the starting positions?

I made the change across the board =)

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Change the "IE" comment in parenthesis in the "Start Positions" to read: "IE: England to Port Charles" instead of what it currently reads: "IE: British to Port Charles."

Also, wanna work on the wording of the very last rule? The "Standard 3 territory Bonus is N/A"

I donno.... Something like: "You do NOT receive the standard 1 troop for every 3 territory bonus".

j35t3r.us wrote:Change the "IE" comment in parenthesis in the "Start Positions" to read: "IE: England to Port Charles" instead of what it currently reads: "IE: British to Port Charles."

Also, wanna work on the wording of the very last rule? The "Standard 3 territory Bonus is N/A"

I donno.... Something like: "You do NOT receive the standard 1 troop for every 3 territory bonus".

If you read the comments above in my post, you'll see that has already been attended to and is awaiting upload.
Thanks.

2010-01-14 13:59:40 - BigBallinStalin: 2010-01-14 04:32:58 - texxdogg received 1 troops for holding A Slave and A Sugar
2010-01-14 14:00:13 - BigBallinStalin: I don't get it, which slave? Obviously you dont have one, so this is a glitch, right?
2010-01-15 00:38:52 - texxdogg: yeah pretty sure
2010-01-15 00:39:04 - texxdogg: i noticed that as well
2010-01-15 02:09:12 - Nola_Lifer: post it in the thread for this map
2010-01-15 02:09:51 - Nola_Lifer [team]: take that shit from blue

There's some kind of glitch where you get a bonus for slaves, even though you don't have slaves. I think it happens when you grab just a sugar.

Game 6222570

BigBallinStalin wrote:2010-01-14 13:59:40 - BigBallinStalin: 2010-01-14 04:32:58 - texxdogg received 1 troops for holding A Slave and A Sugar
2010-01-14 14:00:13 - BigBallinStalin: I don't get it, which slave? Obviously you dont have one, so this is a glitch, right?
2010-01-15 00:38:52 - texxdogg: yeah pretty sure
2010-01-15 00:39:04 - texxdogg: i noticed that as well
2010-01-15 02:09:12 - Nola_Lifer: post it in the thread for this map
2010-01-15 02:09:51 - Nola_Lifer [team]: take that shit from blue

There's some kind of glitch where you get a bonus for slaves, even though you don't have slaves. I think it happens when you grab just a sugar.

Game 6222570

Just to reiterate
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg got bonus of 2 troops added to Blauvelt - Holland
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg got bonus of 2 troops added to Calico Jack
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg got bonus of 2 troops added to Esquivel - Spain
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg received 3 troops for holding 3 Gold Cob (Coin)
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg received 1 troops for holding Blauvelt and Black River (Home Port)
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg received 1 troops for holding Calico Jack and Negril (Home Port)
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg received 1 troops for holding Esquivel and Seville Le Nueva (Home Port)
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg received 3 troops for holding 3 Slaves and 3 Sugar
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg received 4 troops for holding 4 Food
2010-01-14 13:33:18 - texxdogg received 3 troops for 10 regions
2010-01-14 13:33:36 - texxdogg deployed 16 troops on Linstead

He currently has 3 sugar but no slaves.
and

2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer got bonus of 2 troops added to Morgan - England
2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer got bonus of 2 troops added to Mota - Portugal
2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer received 1 troops for holding 2 Bumbo (Rum)
2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer received 2 troops for holding 2 Gold Cob (Coin)
2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer received 1 troops for holding Morgan and Fort Charles (Home Port)
2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer received 1 troops for holding Mota and Alligator Pond (Home Port)
2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer received 1 troops for holding A Slave and A Sugar
2010-01-14 13:09:19 - Nola_Lifer received 3 troops for 9 regions

I own one slave and no sugar.

I believe this has already been fixed and is just a matter of uploading the XML file.

natty_dread wrote:I believe this has already been fixed and is just a matter of uploading the XML file.

Thanks you, I'll look for the update and try playing it again.