Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL5-CL12
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
IcePack wrote:In the OP there’s an error.
Per Game Average High (min 25% possible games played): All Black Rugby - FALL
ABR was never FALL, I’m assuming he’s S&M or KORT depending on when this stat represents?
Correct and fixed. I must have been on autopilot there ha
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL5-CL12
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm
by IcePack
Np just happened to glance and somewhat familiar with FALL
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL5-CL12
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 12:39 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
Clan League 4 almost done already.
For Clan League 3, I will only be scoring the 8 teams who qualified for the playoffs. All games will count but I am considering the playoff teams to be the Premier League for that season.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL4-CL12
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:22 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
CL 4 Complete.
Hell of a season for KORT it seems. josko.ri with the all time best adjusted season so far, second best total all time.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL4-CL12
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm
by IcePack
Very nicely done super interesting info to comb through and lots of trips down memory lane
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:45 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
Kind of a funky season as the first part was played against the general competition, thus certain statistics will not be eligible for All-Time Rankings as they are quite inflated. Really good season from the top players either way.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:15 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
I believe that I'm going to call this part of the project complete until Clan League 13.
Clan League 1 was all doubles and is not easy to find via Game Finder.
Clan League 2 had no limit to the amount of games a player could play nor does it seem to have any real set of rules I can find, thus there is no real way to compare or have relevant statistics.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:03 am
by JJ41375
That is some great work Scott and interesting (at least to me) to look at.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:27 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
JJ41375 wrote:That is some great work Scott and interesting (at least to me) to look at.
Thank you! I'm glad someone finds it interesting! I'm doing some more data type stuff with it, so we'll see how some other things shake out.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:59 pm
by niMic
I will cherish that single 22nd place for the rest of my CC life. A little bit more than I will cherish that 148th place in CL6, with a 100% win rate. Did I play one game or something?
Any chance you're going to do something similar for CCup? I guess it's harder to do a properly equal analysis when the game loads are dependent on how far you make it.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:20 am
by rockfist
I’ve always looked at cup as something that should be weighted by round with more weight going on the deeper rounds. There is no discernible difference between 11-0 in the first round and 9-2, but in the semi finals or finals 9-4 vs 7-6 can be a huge difference.
Another factor I look at is when your clan loses how do you perform? For instance, Caymanmew’s performance against us in the latest round is outstanding even though it will be 8-8. Why? Because the overall score will be 27-22, which means he took on a large number of games and gave his clan the opportunity to win the match. 8-8 would be not nearly as impressive if your clan won by a large margin unless you took on a huge number of away games.
This is just how I see it. Others may see it differently.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:33 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
niMic wrote:I will cherish that single 22nd place for the rest of my CC life. A little bit more than I will cherish that 148th place in CL6, with a 100% win rate. Did I play one game or something?
Any chance you're going to do something similar for CCup? I guess it's harder to do a properly equal analysis when the game loads are dependent on how far you make it.
You were a solid 3-0 in CL6 ha
The larger the sample size, the less that matters. I might consider looking at teams who have participated in more than 4 Cups maybe, that gives you a decent amount of games to look at.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:57 pm
by rockfist
I have 334 games in Cup with my team recording 219 wins in those games. Just over 57% were away games. Josko may have more wins and maybe more games played (although I doubt that part), but I think that is close to the most if it isn't.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:33 pm
by niMic
I have no idea what my score is, but I feel like it's not great. I've been dragged into games with a lot of good players.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:13 pm
by MTIceman41
niMic wrote:I have no idea what my score is, but I feel like it's not great. I've been dragged into games with a lot of good players.
And dragged into with some pretty players too
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL4-CL12
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:25 pm
by niMic
Nut Shot Scott wrote:CL 4 Complete.
Hell of a season for KORT it seems. josko.ri with the all time best adjusted season so far, second best total all time.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - Top 25 !
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:00 pm
by angola
iAmCaffeine wrote:i know you worked hard making the formula rule out people who repeatedly get carried in games rather than actually leading teams to victory, but that top 25 shows it clearly hasn't worked fully. seems good for the most part though.
CL4 shows that to be true if I was No. 2, but I'll take it!
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - Top 25 !
Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:12 pm
by hotfire
Nut Shot Scott wrote:
Swimmerdude99 wrote:This is actually kinda neat. Second the interest in actually seeing the formula if you do indeed have one.
Dubs + trips + quads x each respective luck factor (25/16.7/12.5%) + home wins + away wins - home losses x overall win %
Each game is awarded a total of 6 points, each home win a point, each away win 2 points, each home loss -1 point
So since there are only two players in a dubs game, each win is worth three points, negatively impacted by a 25% luck factor. Trips is 2, quads is 1.5. Reasoning there was simply that in a dubs game you in general are going to have a larger impact on the outcome of the game than you would in a quads game. There are obviously going to be flaws because I cannot discern who takes instruction and who truly contributes or leads but in general, if you win your games and do it in a well rounded fashion you're going to rank high. If you only play home quads games because you only play 4 maps, you probably won't rank high. If you play a lot of games, you can end up with a slightly inflated number just because you would in theory pick up wins. Of course opinions will exist but I think the results of the games generally tell a true story.
I figure there is always one player on every team that does less than the others; maybe it is only a little bit less, or maybe it is complete dead weight. Whatever the case, this person is the outlier and should be removed. If we adjust for this one player that would mean removal of 50% for dubs, 33% for trips and 25% for quads. This could be a better representation of a player impact constant for your formula if you ever decide to tinker.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:10 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
Yeah, I hear you, definitely looked at actually counting number of different teammates in wins and rewarding the players who had a larger variety of teammates but the data collection on that was waaaay too labor intensive. And it becomes difficult to assign a blanket number to that given there is no way to tell who is dead weight, if ever. I would love to be able to award or take away based upon leading vs following but I just dont think there is a fair and even way to do that. Also, if you win your games, you win your games. There will of course be instances where players who simply tag along with a better player get wins and rank high but they still have to be cooperative and communicative teammates.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:02 am
by rockfist
I think its sometimes difficult to determine if someone is a "tag along" or being carried. They may not contribute a lot on most turns but they may make 1 or 2 very important points in a game, in which case I think they are invaluable to the war cause and not dead weight in any way.
Re: Nut Shot's Premier Division Player Rankings - CL3-CL12
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:35 pm
by Nut Shot Scott
Who is excited for this? I think I'll run the top 4 teams in SD this year, too.
I also think I'll be updating the rankings less frequently within the season. Maybe like quarter, halfway and then at the end.
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 pm
super interesting info to comb through and lots of trips down memory lane