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Dako wrote:Those are some serious stats. But what if we make league mandatory? I mean every clan has to participate no matter what. It's almost the same for football, right?
And then you will not have so many new clans and dropouts. Plus make the season smaller, not one year but 6 months or so.
IcePack wrote:I don't think this is practical, it's still a "casual site". There are clans that have only one leader, if they are busy / RL there's no way they could participate. Other clans have planned breaks or just don't appreciate / have the same desire for leagues / events.
Even TOFU found itself unable to participate this last one all the way thru, and they are a clan many consider as a top level clan etc
Should it be mandatory for CD's to force clans to participate if they can't? What if clans refuse?
It's just impractical to force something like this.
Vid_FISO wrote:So 46 clans eligible and 21 vote? Whatever the result of a minority vote it can in no way be considered representative.
No idea what goes on within CD&F, not about to question our rep on what he says or votes on as he has my complete trust, but when it comes down to any war or clan tourney it's those that actually run it on behalf of their respective clans that should be involved in discussions and votes.
If there is no change in format then I will not be running our side of it again, it's a complete waste of a lot of my time and chances are that no-one else within the clan will step forward to pick it up. It would be interesting to know how many others, those that would actually be giving up serious amounts of their time, have the opportunity to make their points anywhere and be listened to?
21 out of 46? That's quite pathetic really!
We left the competition because we were allowed to. If there is a rule that you cannot quit then no one will. We'd endure the losses and burnout if such were the rules. But they weren't.
Vid_FISO wrote:So 46 clans eligible and 21 vote? Whatever the result of a minority vote it can in no way be considered representative.
No idea what goes on within CD&F, not about to question our rep on what he says or votes on as he has my complete trust, but when it comes down to any war or clan tourney it's those that actually run it on behalf of their respective clans that should be involved in discussions and votes.
If there is no change in format then I will not be running our side of it again, it's a complete waste of a lot of my time and chances are that no-one else within the clan will step forward to pick it up. It would be interesting to know how many others, those that would actually be giving up serious amounts of their time, have the opportunity to make their points anywhere and be listened to?
21 out of 46? That's quite pathetic really!
IcePack wrote:You think most clans would endure / enjoy something they weren't prepared for, or didn't have the time to organize yet were being forced to participate?
You might have been able to keep in but some clans with one leader who's busy / only has time for a regular war at a time, or none at all still isn't going to be able.
Again, what's the punishment for those who can't or refuse? I don't think mandatory events is practical.
Dako wrote:IcePack wrote:You think most clans would endure / enjoy something they weren't prepared for, or didn't have the time to organize yet were being forced to participate?
You might have been able to keep in but some clans with one leader who's busy / only has time for a regular war at a time, or none at all still isn't going to be able.
Again, what's the punishment for those who can't or refuse? I don't think mandatory events is practical.
If we know beforehand you cannot drop out we'd enter with that thought and plan our resources. In the end we'd just forfeit games and lose a ton on F400.
Punishments are quite easy - skip next CCup and CL. We can also talk about F400 penalty (or score reset altogether but that will affect other clans greatly).
Dako wrote:Yeah, that was a bit daft on me . It requires a bit more thought. Maybe something along the lines that clans are ranked based on CL results and skipping CL means getting out of ranks. But I wouldn't like being ranked on CL personally, CCup works way better for me.
Anyway, it's late here so I will leave this to you. Will be back tomorrow .
benga wrote:First of all I don't understand why is everybody talking about 3rd league?
18 clans for 1st league and the rest in 2nd league or something along those lines.
2ndly If we plan to have rel/promo in the future, it would be nice to announce that placement of this ones will be taken as seed for the next.
Keefie wrote:Vid_FISO wrote:So 46 clans eligible and 21 vote? Whatever the result of a minority vote it can in no way be considered representative.
No idea what goes on within CD&F, not about to question our rep on what he says or votes on as he has my complete trust, but when it comes down to any war or clan tourney it's those that actually run it on behalf of their respective clans that should be involved in discussions and votes.
If there is no change in format then I will not be running our side of it again, it's a complete waste of a lot of my time and chances are that no-one else within the clan will step forward to pick it up. It would be interesting to know how many others, those that would actually be giving up serious amounts of their time, have the opportunity to make their points anywhere and be listened to?
21 out of 46? That's quite pathetic really!
If I recall correctly you stated in a previous post that the only changes you wanted for CL6 were an increase in map usage and more flexibilty regarding game labels. Well you will be able to use a map more than once and we will do our best regarding the second point.
uckuki wrote: I honestly don't see a point in playing 3rd division. Foed won 4th
division 2 years ago and it was a joke for us, felt like a waste of time.
uckuki wrote:there is another possible solution that completely solves the question of
promotion/relegation:
play qualifications for CL6 and have only 1 league, dunno how many clans, not too
many not too few I guess, and everyone else is out until next year?
scrap multiple divisions and have just 1 league. no one is really hell bent
on playing them anyway.
but, do it in a way that's fair to all: open draw, no seeding, so lower ranked clans
have a shot at making it.
Keefie wrote:There are some great ideas here, that deserve further discussion for future events. But there was a 15/6 majority in favour of keeping CL6 largely the same as CL5.
Keefie wrote:There are some great ideas here, that deserve further discussion for future events. But there was a 15/6 majority in favour of keeping CL6 largely the same as CL5.
The following are potential changes to CL6 that would be a significant change compared to CL5. Should these proposals receive further discussion and individual votes, or should CL6 remain very similar in structure to CL5?
Proposal 1: xxxxx
Proposal 2: xxxxx
etc...
uckuki wrote:do we know who's in charge of CL6?
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