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ChrisPond wrote:I am 0-0 versus the bots. I see no reason to play them as I currently don't need the boost in self esteem. If i want an easy victory, i just play some 1 v 1 against other players
1 v 1 record versus other players....116-30...79.4% win percentage....best is a 16 game winning streak.
maybe i should play some bot games and see if they are better or worse than real players?
betiko wrote:ChrisPond wrote:I am 0-0 versus the bots. I see no reason to play them as I currently don't need the boost in self esteem. If i want an easy victory, i just play some 1 v 1 against other players
1 v 1 record versus other players....116-30...79.4% win percentage....best is a 16 game winning streak.
maybe i should play some bot games and see if they are better or worse than real players?
how on earth would beating the bot be a boost in self esteem or a way to get easy (but not counting) victories? everyone stops after 200 wins, guess why?
ChrisPond wrote:betiko wrote:ChrisPond wrote:I am 0-0 versus the bots. I see no reason to play them as I currently don't need the boost in self esteem. If i want an easy victory, i just play some 1 v 1 against other players
1 v 1 record versus other players....116-30...79.4% win percentage....best is a 16 game winning streak.
maybe i should play some bot games and see if they are better or worse than real players?
how on earth would beating the bot be a boost in self esteem or a way to get easy (but not counting) victories? everyone stops after 200 wins, guess why?
you did start a list to show how good you were at beating the bots correct? maybe you are right though? it seems there are not to many people volunteering their record against bots. maybe anything less than a 98 or 99% win percentage against the bots is nothing to brag about?
ChrisPond wrote:betiko wrote:ChrisPond wrote:I am 0-0 versus the bots. I see no reason to play them as I currently don't need the boost in self esteem. If i want an easy victory, i just play some 1 v 1 against other players
1 v 1 record versus other players....116-30...79.4% win percentage....best is a 16 game winning streak.
maybe i should play some bot games and see if they are better or worse than real players?
how on earth would beating the bot be a boost in self esteem or a way to get easy (but not counting) victories? everyone stops after 200 wins, guess why?
you did start a list to show how good you were at beating the bots correct? maybe you are right though? it seems there are not to many people volunteering their record against bots. maybe anything less than a 98 or 99% win percentage against the bots is nothing to brag about?
loutil wrote:ChrisPond wrote:betiko wrote:ChrisPond wrote:I am 0-0 versus the bots. I see no reason to play them as I currently don't need the boost in self esteem. If i want an easy victory, i just play some 1 v 1 against other players
1 v 1 record versus other players....116-30...79.4% win percentage....best is a 16 game winning streak.
maybe i should play some bot games and see if they are better or worse than real players?
how on earth would beating the bot be a boost in self esteem or a way to get easy (but not counting) victories? everyone stops after 200 wins, guess why?
you did start a list to show how good you were at beating the bots correct? maybe you are right though? it seems there are not to many people volunteering their record against bots. maybe anything less than a 98 or 99% win percentage against the bots is nothing to brag about?
Winning percentage would also have to do with map selection. If you choose the simple/small maps like USA West or Golfe Du Saint-Laurent then you are going to lose around 5% of your games due to dice/drops. If you play the bigger maps you win percentage will increase as the effects of bad dice take longer to affect the game. The bots play horrible but still win. I play only the small maps and I think I have won 107 out of 114 games.
ChrisPond wrote:
you did start a list to show how good you were at beating the bots correct? maybe you are right though? it seems there are not to many people volunteering their record against bots. maybe anything less than a 98 or 99% win percentage against the bots is nothing to brag about?
bird45 wrote:How do you guys know these stats is there an add on tool or just something on this site I am not aware of?
premio53 wrote:It might be a good idea to go ahead and get your bot medals now because if the programmer is serious he can easily bring the bot up to expert level in a short period of time. Once again I reference chess and backgammon. If one waits until that happens then it will be almost impossible for the average player to get any more bot medals.
betiko wrote:premio53 wrote:It might be a good idea to go ahead and get your bot medals now because if the programmer is serious he can easily bring the bot up to expert level in a short period of time. Once again I reference chess and backgammon. If one waits until that happens then it will be almost impossible for the average player to get any more bot medals.
what are you talking about?
People here wish the bots were challenging, it's extremely boring to play them. and how on earth would it be almost impossible to get the bot medal if they put some very good bots? whambot is the perfect exmple to show that anyone can beat anyone if dice want to, and he just randomly attacks, drops and forts. you are not making any sense.
betiko wrote:I don t play backgammon, but I think that my example is much more meaningfull, since you are comparing apple and oranges.
It is impossible to beat in 1v1 99% of the time someone with basic risk skills, no matter the risk god or super powerfull program you are.
It is extremely unlikely, or extremely lucky to have a 100% win rate over whambot, and whambot has no risk basic skills. And by basic skills i m talking about stuff even that a lobotomized zombie would do.
premio53 wrote:betiko wrote:I don t play backgammon, but I think that my example is much more meaningfull, since you are comparing apple and oranges.
It is impossible to beat in 1v1 99% of the time someone with basic risk skills, no matter the risk god or super powerfull program you are.
It is extremely unlikely, or extremely lucky to have a 100% win rate over whambot, and whambot has no risk basic skills. And by basic skills i m talking about stuff even that a lobotomized zombie would do.
The reason backgammon programs win 99% of the time is they know perfect dice probability with strategy built in. On very simple maps such as Doodle Earth and a few others the bot would have maybe a lesser advantage but on most maps a program could be made where only the strongest players would give it much competition. Backgammon proves that some dice games are much more than pure luck. I would include Conquer Club maps in that category.
I still think it would be great to allow other programmers to submit different bots and allow them to compete for the strongest player. They could still limit bot play to not counting against humans just as it is now.
betiko wrote:premio53 wrote:betiko wrote:I don t play backgammon, but I think that my example is much more meaningfull, since you are comparing apple and oranges.
It is impossible to beat in 1v1 99% of the time someone with basic risk skills, no matter the risk god or super powerfull program you are.
It is extremely unlikely, or extremely lucky to have a 100% win rate over whambot, and whambot has no risk basic skills. And by basic skills i m talking about stuff even that a lobotomized zombie would do.
The reason backgammon programs win 99% of the time is they know perfect dice probability with strategy built in. On very simple maps such as Doodle Earth and a few others the bot would have maybe a lesser advantage but on most maps a program could be made where only the strongest players would give it much competition. Backgammon proves that some dice games are much more than pure luck. I would include Conquer Club maps in that category.
I still think it would be great to allow other programmers to submit different bots and allow them to compete for the strongest player. They could still limit bot play to not counting against humans just as it is now.
Any good player on this site considers all options to play a given turn and their odds to succeed. Nevertheless, it is impossible to calculate like in a chess game as there is an X factor, and some 95% shots can be failed.
The maps you can play against bots are all simple maps. I guarantee that it is impossible for the best player on the site to beat at a 99% rate the worse player on the site on a simple map with no freestyle.
betiko wrote:That could be very interesting, love the idea. Let s say that for the bot level 4, a competition is made between programmers. Random map/settings. Since the games would be between bots the results would be immediate. So you could make them face each other hundreads of times. The winner would give his name to bot level 4.
chapcrap wrote:I'm currently 65-0 against whamBot.
BigBallinStalin wrote:chapcrap wrote:I'm currently 65-0 against whamBot.
Your mother must be proud of you.
chapcrap wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:chapcrap wrote:I'm currently 65-0 against whamBot.
Your mother must be proud of you.
She doesn't know I'm a master botter.
BigBallinStalin wrote:chapcrap wrote:I'm currently 65-0 against whamBot.
Your mother must be proud of you.
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