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Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:47 am
by Swimmerdude99
So I found out today that I'm -4% on assaulting neutral 3v2 overall.

Assault -4% 65581 65591

I'm curious, is this a trend or anyone have it worse? I've seen basically an overall variance on rolls and against specific players at 3% the highest if I haven't played them much. But I've played a ton of neutrals and this was kinda insane to me :shock:

What you got? 8-[

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:53 am
by Keefie
It must be really sad being you :(

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:54 am
by i-andrei
You seem to play a lot of neutrals. Have you tried WhamBot?

It says 0% but it doesn't look that bad. How about your defense stats against them? How are those?
Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 49694 42130

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:15 am
by Swimmerdude99
i-andrei wrote:You seem to play a lot of neutrals. Have you tried WhamBot?

It says 0% but it doesn't look that bad. How about your defense stats against them? How are those?
Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 49694 42130


I don't play much whambot, but I do like hitting neutrals because they make me feel like a man. I know I could never beat a real person at a game.

I have yet to lose a roll against neutrals on the defensive. Do you think that's where my luck has gone?

Keefie wrote:It must be really sad being you :(


If you only knew the half of it...

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:36 pm
by .SCuD.
That seems astonishing to me. Worth looking at the maths of that at some point. It must be a few standard deviations away from normal. Utterly bizarre.

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:04 pm
by Hooch
I'm minus 1% on 3 vs 1. :(

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:20 am
by loutil
Mine is exactly at expectation.
Assault 0% 59109 50277

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:49 am
by iAmCaffeine
how can you have almost 10% of the rolls in your favour and it's judged to be 0% overall?

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:43 am
by loutil
iAmCaffeine wrote:how can you have almost 10% of the rolls in your favour and it's judged to be 0% overall?

Is that a serious question? If so....attackers advantage would be the reason. If you roll 100 vs 100: the attacker, on average, will have 15 survivors.

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:43 pm
by Jdsizzleslice
swimmerdude99 wrote:So I found out today that I'm -4% on assaulting neutral 3v2 overall.

Assault -4% 65581 65591

I'm curious, is this a trend or anyone have it worse? I've seen basically an overall variance on rolls and against specific players at 3% the highest if I haven't played them much. But I've played a ton of neutrals and this was kinda insane to me :shock:

What you got? 8-[

I am -4% on 3v2 and 3v1 with Neutrals (also around the same number of wins/losses as you).

I am -1% on 3v2, 3v1, and 1v2 against all opponents. I have some of the worst dice on this site, especially considering the fact that I am almost at 3.3M for 3v2 rolls and 500K for 3v1 rolls.

So it's not just you.

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:43 am
by mrswdk
I have noticed this too, which in my case I assume is the algorithm that punishes me for not buying premium.

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:42 am
by iAmCaffeine
loutil wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:how can you have almost 10% of the rolls in your favour and it's judged to be 0% overall?

Is that a serious question? If so....attackers advantage would be the reason. If you roll 100 vs 100: the attacker, on average, will have 15 survivors.

i should stop late night posting

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:32 pm
by loutil
iAmCaffeine wrote:
loutil wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:how can you have almost 10% of the rolls in your favour and it's judged to be 0% overall?

Is that a serious question? If so....attackers advantage would be the reason. If you roll 100 vs 100: the attacker, on average, will have 15 survivors.

i should stop late night posting

While I do not always agree with your thinking, I find you to be an intelligent person. That is why your response caught me a bit off guard. Good to know it was lack of sleep or to much party favors 8-) that led to your response...

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:23 pm
by dkmaster
swimmerdude99 wrote:So I found out today that I'm -4% on assaulting neutral 3v2 overall.

Assault -4% 65581 65591

I'm curious, is this a trend or anyone have it worse? I've seen basically an overall variance on rolls and against specific players at 3% the highest if I haven't played them much. But I've played a ton of neutrals and this was kinda insane to me :shock:

What you got? 8-[



Pretty much same numbers as you against neutrals.

Assault -4% 65722/65694

For a while now I could not trust attackers advantage at all against neutrals. It is actually more the opposite

So yes something is broken somewhere. Or we just both need better connection to the top of cc :D

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:31 pm
by iAmCaffeine
loutil wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
loutil wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:how can you have almost 10% of the rolls in your favour and it's judged to be 0% overall?

Is that a serious question? If so....attackers advantage would be the reason. If you roll 100 vs 100: the attacker, on average, will have 15 survivors.

i should stop late night posting

While I do not always agree with your thinking, I find you to be an intelligent person. That is why your response caught me a bit off guard. Good to know it was lack of sleep or to much party favors 8-) that led to your response...

that was probably the last compliment i expected from you. no partying in covid tho.

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:39 am
by Swimmerdude99
iAmCaffeine wrote:
loutil wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
loutil wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:how can you have almost 10% of the rolls in your favour and it's judged to be 0% overall?

Is that a serious question? If so....attackers advantage would be the reason. If you roll 100 vs 100: the attacker, on average, will have 15 survivors.

i should stop late night posting

While I do not always agree with your thinking, I find you to be an intelligent person. That is why your response caught me a bit off guard. Good to know it was lack of sleep or to much party favors 8-) that led to your response...

that was probably the last compliment i expected from you. no partying in covid tho.


You can always still party alone... or at least that's what I've told myself for years...

Re: Dice Outcomes against neutrals

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:41 am
by Swimmerdude99
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
swimmerdude99 wrote:So I found out today that I'm -4% on assaulting neutral 3v2 overall.

Assault -4% 65581 65591

I'm curious, is this a trend or anyone have it worse? I've seen basically an overall variance on rolls and against specific players at 3% the highest if I haven't played them much. But I've played a ton of neutrals and this was kinda insane to me :shock:

What you got? 8-[

I am -4% on 3v2 and 3v1 with Neutrals (also around the same number of wins/losses as you).

I am -1% on 3v2, 3v1, and 1v2 against all opponents. I have some of the worst dice on this site, especially considering the fact that I am almost at 3.3M for 3v2 rolls and 500K for 3v1 rolls.

So it's not just you.
dkmaster wrote:
swimmerdude99 wrote:So I found out today that I'm -4% on assaulting neutral 3v2 overall.

Assault -4% 65581 65591

I'm curious, is this a trend or anyone have it worse? I've seen basically an overall variance on rolls and against specific players at 3% the highest if I haven't played them much. But I've played a ton of neutrals and this was kinda insane to me :shock:

What you got? 8-[



Pretty much same numbers as you against neutrals.

Assault -4% 65722/65694

For a while now I could not trust attackers advantage at all against neutrals. It is actually more the opposite

So yes something is broken somewhere. Or we just both need better connection to the top of cc :D


So this is intriguing... either the information on the page is a bit off in how its calculating those odds... there is misreporting, or??? That's kinda odd, wonder how many players are close to this average or if there are some others that see it as positive rolls in 3v2 and for some reason just higher disparity/edge cases. But across Jsiz alone that is kinda crazy.