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Woodruff wrote:Anyone who supports the recent Supreme Court ruling AND feels that abortion should be illegal really needs to take a serious look at their values. The ability for a woman to have easy access to contraceptives helps to prevent unwanted pregnancies which LITERALLY helps to keep down the need for abortions. Thus, this ruling actually acts to INCREASE future abortions due to unwanted pregnancies.
oVo wrote:The morality of your boss should define your world
and the insurance they provide workers should not
include your sexual health.
sarcasm
Of course their moral imposition over employees
should exclude the conditions and situations of the
workers who produce the products they sell in
their store, IF it improves the profit margin.
It's Official: We live in a country where corporations
have more rights than women.
Army of GOD wrote:This thread is now about my large penis
DaGip wrote:This ruling shows us that corporations can deny their employees the right to regulate their fertility.
warmonger1981 wrote:Hobby Lobby says they are fine with almost all birth control. The four medications or procedures they protested would actually provide abortions not preventative conception. They don't like abortion but medication to prevent pregnancy is ok.
muy_thaiguy wrote:Edit: After looking at it more closely, Hobby Lobby actually pays for 16 kinds of birth control. The others they don't pay for because it goes against their religious beliefs. They won't stop employees from buying the other kinds on their own, so what the hell is the problem here?
notyou2 wrote:The ripples from this ruling will be spectacular, leading to a reversal.
oVo wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:Edit: After looking at it more closely, Hobby Lobby actually pays for 16 kinds of birth control. The others they don't pay for because it goes against their religious beliefs. They won't stop employees from buying the other kinds on their own, so what the hell is the problem here?
Looking even closer, corporate Hobby Lobby invests funds in the companies that produce the so called abortion pills. So it's ok to profit from the production of those forms of birth control, they just don't want their employees using their healthcare funds to actually use them... for um... moral reasons.
Woodruff wrote:Anyone who supports the recent Supreme Court ruling AND feels that abortion should be illegal really needs to take a serious look at their values. The ability for a woman to have easy access to contraceptives helps to prevent unwanted pregnancies which LITERALLY helps to keep down the need for abortions. Thus, this ruling actually acts to INCREASE future abortions due to unwanted pregnancies.
Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:Anyone who supports the recent Supreme Court ruling AND feels that abortion should be illegal really needs to take a serious look at their values. The ability for a woman to have easy access to contraceptives helps to prevent unwanted pregnancies which LITERALLY helps to keep down the need for abortions. Thus, this ruling actually acts to INCREASE future abortions due to unwanted pregnancies.
Not that I think abortion should be illegal, just forcing religious people to pay and participate in abortions. Hobby Lobby agreed to 16 out of 20 areas when it comes to 'women's' healthcare, they just disagreed about the morning after pill, abortion, birth control pills, and one other thing.
How difficult is it for a women to access contraceptives? I don't believe how some people act like a company is the only place you can get an abortion, or a company is the only way you can get birth control pills.
The bottom line is religious companies do not have to participate in abortions etc if it violates their religious beliefs.
Metsfanmax wrote:DaGip wrote:This ruling shows us that corporations can deny their employees the right to regulate their fertility.
No, this ruling shows us that corporations don't have to pay for some contraceptives when they believe, based on evidence that is somewhere between flimsy and non-existent, that these particular ones abort some fertilized eggs.
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DaGip wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:DaGip wrote:This ruling shows us that corporations can deny their employees the right to regulate their fertility.
No, this ruling shows us that corporations don't have to pay for some contraceptives when they believe, based on evidence that is somewhere between flimsy and non-existent, that these particular ones abort some fertilized eggs.
On the contrary, how is it that if I am an employer and I do not believe in contraceptives (or even some contraceptives) and I force that belief upon my female (or male) employees not denying them of some basic human right? Why are my employees employed with me? For what purpose?
If they are employed with me because they (like almost all other employees) they are poor and need money, how is my taking away their right to an abortion and regulating the female's own right to their fertility not discrimination of women?
I am afraid you and I have a misunderstanding of the issue.
Yours seems to be bit more shallow, whereas mine seems to support feminism.
You can easily shrug off this issue as meaningless and "what's the big deal" because by the "luck of the draw" you were born with a cock between your legs; but women are the ones to bare the burden of getting pregnant and caring for bastard children (all the while disallowing the female the same financial footing as the male who can run away and live his life as he sees fit).
DaGip wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:DaGip wrote:This ruling shows us that corporations can deny their employees the right to regulate their fertility.
No, this ruling shows us that corporations don't have to pay for some contraceptives when they believe, based on evidence that is somewhere between flimsy and non-existent, that these particular ones abort some fertilized eggs.
On the contrary, how is it that if I am an employer and I do not believe in contraceptives (or even some contraceptives) and I force that belief upon my female (or male) employees not denying them of some basic human right? Why are my employees employed with me? For what purpose?
If they are employed with me because they (like almost all other employees) they are poor and need money, how is my taking away their right to an abortion and regulating the female's own right to their fertility not discrimination of women?
I am afraid you and I have a misunderstanding of the issue.
Yours seems to be bit more shallow, whereas mine seems to support feminism.
You can easily shrug off this issue as meaningless and "what's the big deal" because by the "luck of the draw" you were born with a cock between your legs; but women are the ones to bare the burden of getting pregnant and caring for bastard children (all the while disallowing the female the same financial footing as the male who can run away and live his life as he sees fit).
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