Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[saxitoxin]

Israel has not proposed plans to demolish the dome of the rock

From my OP: Israelis Announce Plan to Bulldoze UNESCO Heritage Site

The Dome of the rock is not recognized as a UNESCO site in and of itself, but is rather part of the larger old city.

And when they bulldoze the Dome of the Rock they will be bulldozing a UNESCO site.

Praying at the temple mount is not illegal for Christians or Jews

Debunked already - praying at the Temple Mount, or praying on the Temple Mount is illegal for Jews ... praying next to or at the perimeter of, or somewhere near the Temple Mount is not illegal, but no one said it was. Jesus, do we like need a lesson in reading comprehension or something?

This is not the holiest site in Islam. As any Muslim would tell you, Mecca is the holiest site...

you're correct, I should have said "one of the holiest" or "the third holiest" - a stunning victory, GabonX

You're wrong about number 3. One out of four statements that I made are true, therefore I'm not the liar, you're the liar, na na na na na!

Disgusting. Aside from the misattributed quote, you posted an image designed to denigrate, demean, and humiliate Muslims. I would never in a million years post an image of someone with a large nose, wearing a kippah and screaming when I make fun of someone like Gweedo. But you, somehow, think the picture you just used is perfectly acceptable. The level of Islamaphobia and anti-Arab hate you've been working overtime to try to stir up is completely astonishing.

[GabonX]

The Wailing Wall abuts the Temple Mount; it was a retaining wall to stop erosion of the hill. It is not part of the Temple Mount. Do you understand what the word "Mount" means? The Temple Mount is the "site of the Temple." That's like saying "Pennsylvania Avenue is part of the White House."

Its more like arguing the outer walls or foundation of the White house are part of the white house, but frankly this doesn't matter to me that much. You're the one that decided you were going to make this a central argument.

Anyway, the GabonX Shuck & Jive is in full swing. He'll keep it up until he succeeds in making the issue so convoluted he can retire with the assumption everyone forgot about the original question. That's his M.O.

You're the one that's trying to make this the focus.

I'm more than happy to let it go, as I'm much more interested in seeing you defend your claim that the dome if the rock is the holiest site in Islam instead of Mecca, or some evidence to support your claim that Israel announced plans to tear down the dome of the rock, which I believe is the original question that you're trying to distract from.

[saxitoxin]

The Wailing Wall abuts the Temple Mount; it was a retaining wall to stop erosion of the hill. It is not part of the Temple Mount. Do you understand what the word "Mount" means? The Temple Mount is the "site of the Temple." That's like saying "Pennsylvania Avenue is part of the White House."

Its more like arguing the outer walls or foundation of the White house are part of the white house,

No ... it's not at all like that. The Wailing Wall was never part of the Temple, the outer walls of the White House are part of the White House. The Wailing Wall was a retaining wall at a different location built to stop erosion.



No one at any point in history, until you in this thread, has claimed the Wailing Wall is on the Temple Mount. You lied and now you're shucking and jiving as fast as you can, and when you can't shuck and jive anymore, you grab your ball and proclaim ...

this doesn't matter to me that much

Now, of course, you've successfully convoluted the whole issue so much that no one remembers the gravity of your original lie, as was your plan once you got called on it. Here it is as a reminder.

[shickingbrits]

Was kind of with you at first, seem to be you were saying that the wall is part of the temple. That was a fair point. But then later you destroyed it by saying they have no plan to destroy the dome of the rock. Is it part of it or not? If it is, he did post a link (you can click it with the cursor and it will take you to additional info) and your request for "some evidence" is a bit belligerent.

[GabonX]

Disgusting. Aside from the misattributed quote, you posted an image designed to denigrate, demean, and humiliate Muslims. I would never in a million years post an image of someone with a large nose, wearing a kippah and screaming when I make fun of someone like Gweedo.

You use images of white christians often enough. I guess they're a safer target for religious bigotry than Jews in whatever playbook youre using.

I'm pretty sure you've used Jewish pictures too but I can't recall specifically. You've been at this for a long time.

[saxitoxin]

I'm pretty sure you've used Jewish pictures too but I can't recall specifically.

I seem to recall you posted some child porn awhile ago. I don't have the link handy. I just remember it seemed in poor taste to me at the time.

[GabonX]

Was kind of with you at first, seem to be you were saying that the wall is part of the temple. That was a fair point. But then later you destroyed it by saying they have no plan to destroy the dome of the rock. Is it part of it or not? If it is, he did post a link (you can click it with the cursor and it will take you to additional info) and your request for "some evidence" is a bit belligerent.

I didn't see anything in the link about tearing down the dome of the rock. The temple mount is a big enough place that they could have a Jewish temple there too, but let's say they actually had announced their intent to bulldoze the dome of the rock.

Its as accurate to say "Israelis declare intent to tear down the temple mount" as it is to quote an obscure Muslim group and claim they represent Islam as a whole. By this logic we can claim that all Muslims want to be martyred because some Muslims say that.

What we have are people who are trying to raise money to build a temple, but I don't see any mention of tearing down the one that's there. The area is large enough that it could hold two structures but I don't think the Muslims would go for that. Its kind of a shit idea however you spin it but its not what Saxitoxin says it is.

Even if some obscure group says they want to tear down the dome of the rock, they don't represent Israel as a whole, but that's not what I'm seeing here.

[shickingbrits]

It was a rather obscure group that started asking for the nation now called Israel. They didn't represent Israel as a whole at the time. Sometimes obscure groups are more than they seem.

Edit:
If I wanted to rebuild the Temple for the purposes of bringing a messiah to the Jewish people, I certainly wouldn't go around saying that. I also wouldn't use my main force.

I would try to start a grassroots movement, once it starts to gain head, include a half-prominent Christian and Muslim leader. Make it a unifying project to bring peace to the region. Mask it, hide it, sneak it in. Nearing completion, I would stage a few attacks on it and blame "outsiders" and say that security issues prevent full access, ie only Jews are welcome.

[saxitoxin]

To clarify my previous statement, the group in question plans to either (a )tear down the Dome of the Rock, or, (b) create a vortex in the space-time continuum.

(1) They have stated they intend to build the Third Temple of prophecy.
(2) For it to be the Third Temple of prophecy it will need to be built on the exact site of the high priest's sanctuary, the "Holy of Holies" (which is exactly 30' x 30' ... so, no, for this group's purposes there's not "plenty of land on the Temple Mount to share!")
(3) The Dome of the Rock is built on the exact site of the Holy of Holies.

This is really 101 stuff and none of it is open for debate. It is quite telling that the pro-Israel crowd are apparently attempting to argue that - because they haven't overtly stated "we're gonna bulldoze the dome" - they might actually be planning to create a space-time vortex and have two buildings in the same location.

This sounds like a physics question so I'll pose it to Metsfanmax - Metsfanmax, are there options available with current technology for two solid structures to occupy the exact same space?

[shickingbrits]

This sounds like a physics question so I'll pose it to Metsfanmax - Metsfanmax, are there options available with current technology for two solid structures to occupy the exact same space?

Yes, but not at the same time.

[GabonX]

Disgusting. Aside from the misattributed quote, you posted an image designed to denigrate, demean, and humiliate Muslims. I would never in a million years post an image of someone with a large nose, wearing a kippah and screaming when I make fun of someone like Gweedo.

You use images of white christians often enough. I guess they're a safer target for religious bigotry than Jews in whatever playbook youre using.

I'm pretty sure you've used Jewish pictures too but I can't recall specifically. You've been at this for a long time.

His image portraying you with the Muslim rage meme is no more out of line than you calling everyone you disagree with bible thumpers and posting pictures like this:

To clarify my previous statement, the group in question plans to either (a )tear down the Dome of the Rock, or, (b) create a vortex in the space-time continuum.

(1) They have stated they intend to build the Third Temple of prophecy.
(2) For it to be the Third Temple of prophecy it will need to be built on the exact site of the high priest's sanctuary, the "Holy of Holies" (which is exactly 30' x 30' ... so, no, for this group's purposes there's not "plenty of land on the Temple Mount to share!")
(3) The Dome of the Rock is built on the exact site of the Holy of Holies.

This is really 101 stuff and none of it is open for debate. It is quite telling that the pro-Israel crowd are apparently attempting to argue that - because they haven't overtly stated "we're gonna bulldoze the dome" - they might actually be planning to create a space-time vortex and have two buildings in the same location.

This sounds like a physics question so I'll pose it to Metsfanmax - Metsfanmax, what are the options for two solid structures to occupy the same space?

For all we know this group thinks Hamas will launch a rocket, it will hit the dome, and they area will be up for grabs then. You don't know what this group thinks is necessary for their "Third Temple of prophecy" and you don't speak for them. Unless you can find a statement from them affirming your arguments above, all the stuff you're saying is just you saying it and does not represent anyone else.

Even if they believe what you say they do (unlikely), they don't represent Israel as a whole anymore than Muslim Brotherhood leaders claiming Palestinians crave martyrdom and death represent Palestinians as a whole. There's nothing in your link that states this group wants to tear down the dome of the rock, and they're not representative of Israel regardless.

As a side not, for someone who promotes the idea that a mixed society of Muslims and Israelis living together "from the river to the sea" as being more open and fair, it's very telling that you support Muslim efforts to restrict prayer at shared holy sites from Christians and Jews.

[Gweeedo]

Your looking at this in a carnal point of view.
This is a spiritual matter, you should view (think) of it in Spirit.
This is a holy war, there is no rational answer.

Why would the destruction of the 'Dome" be relevant?
That is not a (the) reason to oppose Israel.
There is a good chance that none of this will even come about, being that the prophecy has already been fulfilled.

It is amusing to read, but it has become slightly boring...can you move on

[saxitoxin]

His image portraying you with the Muslim rage meme is no more out of line than you calling everyone you disagree with bible thumpers

I will gladly call you a "Bible adherent" moving forward. I apologize if my choice of terminology was offensive.

This is a holy war, there is no rational answer.

I realize you and GabonX, universalchiro, Dukusaur, and Israel, think of this as "A HOLY WARRRRR!!!"

I, and most calm and reasonable people, consider it a simple zoning dispute that can be rationally resolved.

As a side not, for someone who promotes the idea that a mixed society of Muslims and Israelis living together "from the river to the sea" as being more open and fair, it's very telling that you support Muslim efforts to restrict prayer at shared holy sites from Christians and Jews.

As you know, it is the Israeli police that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. It is not "teh Muslims!!!" that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. Here is a video posted by "The Temple Institute," the group you are defending as only wanting to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock a little, showing the arrest of a Santa Claus impersonator for singing a really off-key version of the Itsy Bitsy Spider. This occurred at Temple Mount and, as you can see by the patches and insignia on the policemen uniforms, they are from the Israeli Border Police. These are the same police who arrest Jews for praying. Not Muslims.

[GabonX]

Saxitoxin was right about you

I'd expect you to say as much considering your clique always backs each other and trolls together.

You never address any points. You need to calm down and think.

You can choose to ignore and bury what I say with comments like this if you want. Nobody expects you guys to go off of substance anyhow.

Straw man! Ad hominem! Confirmation bias!..

Stfu dude. You and your buddies have no room to talk.

You're not worth my time!

Then leave. Frankly I don't care what you do as long as you stop pretending to be a moderate on this issue while attacking everyone who's pro Israel while giving everyone who's pro Hamas a pass for all of the ridiculous things they say.

Nah aw!

Yah ha

Your last post v. saxi's on that Temple thing was mostly good, but then you break down and cry against my post. So, why take you seriously?

I'm not trying to win you over and I don't think I could if I tried.

To answer your question, if you're judging information by merit what difference does it make who's posting? Disregarding sources shows a higher level of thinking than just affirming what you like.

[GabonX]

As a side not, for someone who promotes the idea that a mixed society of Muslims and Israelis living together "from the river to the sea" as being more open and fair, it's very telling that you support Muslim efforts to restrict prayer at shared holy sites from Christians and Jews.

As you know, it is the Israeli police that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. It is not "teh Muslims!!!" that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. Here is a video posted by "The Temple Institute," the group you are defending as only wanting to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock a little, showing the arrest of a Santa Claus impersonator for singing a really off-key version of the Itsy Bitsy Spider. This occurred at Temple Mount and, as you can see by the patches and insignia on the policemen uniforms, they are from the Israeli Border Police. These are the same police who arrest Jews for praying. Not Muslims.

Wait, Israeli police are arresting Jews for preying at a contested site that Muslims lay claim to... How is this congruent with your portrayal of Israel?

[BigBallinStalin]

Saxitoxin was right about you

I'd expect you to say as much considering your clique always backs each other and trolls together.

You never address any points. You need to calm down and think.

You can choose to ignore and bury what I say with comments like this if you want. Nobody expects you guys to go off of substance anyhow.

Straw man! Ad hominem! Confirmation bias!..

Stfu dude. You and your buddies have no room to talk.

You're not worth my time!

Then leave. Frankly I don't care what you do as long as you stop pretending to be a moderate on this issue while attacking everyone who's pro Israel while giving everyone who's pro Hamas a pass for all of the ridiculous things they say.

Nah aw!

Yah ha

Your last post v. saxi's on that Temple thing was mostly good, but then you break down and cry against my post. So, why take you seriously?

I'm not trying to win you over and I don't think I could if I tried.

To answer your question, if you're judging information by merit what difference does it make who's posting?

I have been judging the debate by merit, and over the past several posts, saxi has soundly defeated your initial arguments, which you have quietly scuttled. You're now resorting to irrelevant points to the current subject. Is there a pattern of dodging here? Answering my question with an irrelevant question constitutes as "dodging," which confirms that you shouldn't be taken seriously.

If you simply reread how you've addressed my post--by breaking it out of context and providing snarky and unintelligent responses, then you should feel ashamed about your behavior ITT. You constantly fail in correctly summarizing my position, and your behavior betrays your unwillingness to think intelligently about positions which contradict yours.

I hope you do better next time. Til then, reasonable people really don't have to take you seriously.

[BigBallinStalin]

As a side not, for someone who promotes the idea that a mixed society of Muslims and Israelis living together "from the river to the sea" as being more open and fair, it's very telling that you support Muslim efforts to restrict prayer at shared holy sites from Christians and Jews.

As you know, it is the Israeli police that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. It is not "teh Muslims!!!" that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. Here is a video posted by "The Temple Institute," the group you are defending as only wanting to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock a little, showing the arrest of a Santa Claus impersonator for singing a really off-key version of the Itsy Bitsy Spider. This occurred at Temple Mount and, as you can see by the patches and insignia on the policemen uniforms, they are from the Israeli Border Police. These are the same police who arrest Jews for praying. Not Muslims.

Wait, Israeli police are arresting Jews for preying at a contested site that Muslims lay claim to... How is this congruent with your portrayal of Israel?

Maybe you should pause, take a breathe, and reread this page and the past one. Pay particular attention to your post and what you imply. Then try to understand why saxi would respond with the above post. After considering all this, ask yourself: does my recent question contribute much to the ongoing discussion? Or am I throwing out another dodge?

[Gweeedo]

This is a holy war, there is no rational answer.

quote saxitoxin:I realize you and GabonX, universalchiro, Dukusaur, and Israel, think of this as "A HOLY WARRRRR!!!"

I, and most calm and reasonable people, consider it a simple zoning dispute that can be rationally resolved. End quote

Reaheelahee, Is that what you think?
Only; The players involved are not rational...a crusade against Israel.
Israel is up against fanatical freaks...So you think they should talk to them, the same as the UK trying to talk to Hitler in pre-war Europe.
You, Calm? Is that what you call it.
Carry on.

[GabonX]

As a side not, for someone who promotes the idea that a mixed society of Muslims and Israelis living together "from the river to the sea" as being more open and fair, it's very telling that you support Muslim efforts to restrict prayer at shared holy sites from Christians and Jews.

As you know, it is the Israeli police that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. It is not "teh Muslims!!!" that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. Here is a video posted by "The Temple Institute," the group you are defending as only wanting to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock a little, showing the arrest of a Santa Claus impersonator for singing a really off-key version of the Itsy Bitsy Spider. This occurred at Temple Mount and, as you can see by the patches and insignia on the policemen uniforms, they are from the Israeli Border Police. These are the same police who arrest Jews for praying. Not Muslims.

Wait, Israeli police are arresting Jews for preying at a contested site that Muslims lay claim to... How is this congruent with your portrayal of Israel?

Maybe you should pause, take a breathe, and reread this page and the past one. Pay particular attention to your post and what you imply. Then try to understand why saxi would respond with the above post. After considering all this, ask yourself: does my recent question contribute much to the ongoing discussion? Or am I throwing out another dodge?

This post is a dodge which makes you a dodge for Saxi. You go girl.

I want Saxitoxin to answer the question but I don't think he will.

[shickingbrits]

GabonX, your argument is equivalent to this:

Saxi: FIFA was bribed in deciding who will hold the World Cup.
GabonX: Beckham IS a good player...damn you for saying he would take a bribe.
Saxi: I'm not talking about Beckham, I'm talking about FIFA. See here is the evidence that FIFA was bribed.
GabonX: Beckham was given many red cards, so how can he and FIFA be in cahoots?
Saxi: I'm still not talking about Beckham, don't intend and never meant to talk about Beckham. Seems to me some one has a crush...

[saxitoxin]

As a side not, for someone who promotes the idea that a mixed society of Muslims and Israelis living together "from the river to the sea" as being more open and fair, it's very telling that you support Muslim efforts to restrict prayer at shared holy sites from Christians and Jews.

As you know, it is the Israeli police that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. It is not "teh Muslims!!!" that have been arresting Jews for praying on the Temple Mount. Here is a video posted by "The Temple Institute," the group you are defending as only wanting to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock a little, showing the arrest of a Santa Claus impersonator for singing a really off-key version of the Itsy Bitsy Spider. This occurred at Temple Mount and, as you can see by the patches and insignia on the policemen uniforms, they are from the Israeli Border Police. These are the same police who arrest Jews for praying. Not Muslims.

Wait, Israeli police are arresting Jews for preying at a contested site that Muslims lay claim to... How is this congruent with your portrayal of Israel?

It's quite congruent with my portrayal of Israel. It is not congruent with how Duk & Gab been attempting to shuck and jive my portrayal of Israel as anti-Semitic, though, as part of your Islamaphobic race-baiting.

I have repeatedly said Israel needs to adopt a secular national policy. One example would be transferring food regulation from the Rabbinical Council to a government ministry like normal, modern countries. Another example would be to stop police activity targeted against confessional communities like the ban on Jewish prayer.

The Islamic Waqf have supported allowing any religion to access the Temple Mount since they were charged with overseeing it 900 years ago. Their only request is the solemn, dignified nature of the place be preserved as a spot of quiet spiritual reflection. What they don't want is people ripping at their clothes, banging their heads on the walls, and howling at the sky; the form of worship prescribed by some Jewish communities at this site. People should be able to observe their faith in peace without a half-naked old man scratching at his face next to them. But, the Israeli police have chosen to adopt an "all or nothing" approach as part of their political games.

[patches70]

What saxi is talking about it common knowledge. The Third Temple is sacred in Judaism. Of this there is no doubt. There is disagreement between the various Jewish factions about how to proceed with The Third Temple. Some Jews believe that the Messiah will build the temple.
Others believe that the Jews should build the temple.

Either way, the Third Temple is destined to be built on the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock is right now. So either the Messiah will destroy the Dome or a Jewish faction will.

The problem those factions that want to build the temple before the Messiah comes is that Israel has certain international agreements that they won't touch the Dome of the Rock.

But regardless, there has always been a clamor to bulldoze the Dome and build the Third Temple. Those clamors grow and it's a known goal of certain groups, like "The Temple Institute" and "Temple Mount and Eretz Yisrael Faithful Movement" to name just two such groups. The latter group is particularly resolved to do such a thing and they receive substantial support from Christian Fundamental groups, mainly from the US.

When these groups rebuild the Third Temple then ritual sacrifices will be resumed. At least that's the plan. Some believe that by building the temple it will usher in the Messiah. Considering how Christian Fundamental groups long to see the Second Coming, it is understandable that they would support such efforts to build the Third Temple ASAP.

In order for the Third Temple to be built, the Dome has to go. Prophecy states that The Third Temple will be built one way or another. Either by the Messiah or those who wish to usher in the Messiah on their own schedule.

I find it kind of ridiculous and arrogant to think that men can build The Third Temple and thus believe it will force the Messiah to appear. It seems to me that the Messiah will come when he's darn well ready. But meh, Saxi is correct that there are groups who are gaining in influence and plan to bulldoze the Dome and build The Third Temple. That is indisputable. And it's crazy, especially when one considers the old stories of what happened in the past when men tried to build The Third Temple before it's allotted time.

Saxi, are you aware of what happened when the Roman Emperor Julian gave permission for the Jews to rebuild the Temple in 360-363 AD?

Heh heh, it didn't go so well for them and if the stories are true then it's a waste of time for those groups to try and build the Temple before the Messiah comes.

[Gweeedo]

Anybody can read into prophecy.
You can bet, if America would give them the Ark (you know, in the warehouse in Washington DC), the Dome would come down immediately.

Ethnic violence is happening on virtually every continent. The Middle East is experiencing a series of conflagrations that not only defy understanding but also any sense of human sensitivity and reasonableness.
And you think...calm and reasonable people, consider it a simple zoning dispute that can be rationally resolved.

Throughout history extreme military force has been used there time and time again — but, in over five millennia, it has never yet brought lasting peace for anyone.
Nothing is going to change anytime soon.
The only thing that might change, is who's calling the shots.
Right now (for the most part) Israel is calling the shots...and I am OK with that.
I am not for either side, I don't think about it...I could care less.
I'm just telling you, that is the way it is...except the facts.
You like beating your head against the wall...stop it, you'll feel better.
The first coming or the second...its all the same too you.

[saxitoxin]

GENOCIDE UPDATE: AUGUST 8

New Israeli Ethnic Cleansing Video

The whole world agrees the Israelis aren't really trying to engage in "anti-terrorist operations," they're simply trying to engage in ethnic cleansing. Now a new video underscores that - on top of all the other evidence that has been shown. In it, Israeli soldiers cheer and dance as Palestinian homes are destroyed. The commander cheerfully pipes in saying "we're going to see which homes are still intact!" before another volley of tank rounds are unleashed to level the remaining houses of Palestinian children.

No targeted operation or "stray" shells here, just straightforward ethnic cleansing by the worst people in the world.



Green Party Canada President Ousted Over Outrageous Pro-Israel Statement

Throughout the whole world (except the U.S.) expressing support for Israel is correctly viewed as a form of hate speech. Who knows what Canadian Green Party president Paul Estrin was thinking when he had the audacity to declare his support of Israel on the party blog. Now he has been forced to resign in shame and disgrace after an outcry by party members.

The statement angered many party supporters. Some threatened to resign or stop donating, so upset were they by the implication Estrin's views reflected party policy. Party [parliamentary] leader Elizabeth May quickly distanced herself from him. "I didn't know he felt this way about Gaza," she said. "He had not raised this before."

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Green ... story.html

Steve May, a Green Party official who filed the initial complaint against the hatemonger, explained the issue.

Mr. Estrin’s post has no place on the Green Party’s website ... language such as Mr. Estrin’s has no place in any respectful and legitimate discourse on any subject, much less on a site hosted by the Green Party for respectful discourse.

http://sudburysteve.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... trins.html

Estrin's original post has been deleted from the Green Party blog, along with all his other writings over the years. Goodbye.

former GPC president Paul Estrin; people who publicly support groups like the KKK and Israel often face public backlash


Human Rights Watch: Israelis Shoot Fleeing Civilians in the Back

Kevin Roth, the head of Human Rights Watch, says Israel is shooting fleeing civilians and has called on the State of Palestine to seek the prosecution of Israel in front of the International Criminal Court for war crimes of the most outrageous nature.

Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, fleeing civilians—to shoot at a fleeing civilian is an obvious war crime. That’s deliberately killing a civilian, a noncombatant.

We’re also looking at situations in which the Israelis are using indiscriminate means, such as heavy artillery in heavily populated areas. The laws of war require you to use discriminate means, to focus very narrowly on a military target.

We’re looking at other instances where Israel has targeted a structure which is not a legitimate military target, it’s a civilian home. Often what they’ll say is, "Oh, this was the home of a Hamas commander," and then they’ll blow it up, even though it was the family home and there’s no evidence the commander is even there. That often results in civilian casualties, and that, too, is a war crime.

And finally, we’re looking at cases in which there may well have been a militant there, but Israel fires even though there are many civilians around. And so, you know, for example, when they hit the beach cafe killing nine people watching the World Cup, we don’t even know if there was a militant there, but that was a wholly inappropriate time to shoot. Or when they claimed to have been going after a militant, hit his family home and killed 25 civilians who were breaking the Ramadan fast. These are clearly disproportionate harm to civilians, a war crime regardless of whether there might have been a militant in the vicinity or not.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/6/as ... man_rights