BigBallinStalin wrote: Dukasaur wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:At the very least, he compares Palestinians to Nazis. Either way, Dukasaur has been acting very hateful in this thread and has yet to apologize for his behavior. This is very unbecoming of a representative of CC.
I don't believe I've directly compared "Palestinians" to Nazis. But if I did, why not? Both advocate the killing of Jews. The comparison is pretty obvious to most people.
Here's you comparing Palestinians to Nazis. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=206788&start=750#p4534113
That's purely your misinterpretation:
BigBallinStalin wrote: Dukasaur wrote:
Those are easy questions to answer. The Arabs have kept this war going for 65 years. They should have accepted their loss in 1948 in the spirit of fair play. They were offered half of Palestine, they refused the offer and demanded double or nothing, they rolled the dice and lost. After that they should have either settled down and become loyal citizens, or packed up their shit and moved on with their lives elsewhere. That war would be a distant memory by now. Instead of either of those options, they chose to move just across the border, turn their entire population into a paramilitary organisation, and plot revenge. That, and nothing else, has turned what should have been a long-forgotten war into a war that continues year after year with no end in sight.
The Arabs have refused to credibly commit to a peace treaty. That isn't to say that there aren't some Arabs who don't want peace. I'm sure many do. But the man on the street is not significant in the equation, and any Arab who starts talking peace with Israel, is gunned down. King Abdullah I of Jordan talked peace with Israel, and he was gunned down. Anwar Sadat talked peace with Israel, and he was gunned down. Pretty much any Arab leader who has ever talked peace is dead.
Also, notice how you framed it into a "fight for survival" while neglecting to mention how this fight started. This is just like the "what would you do if Hamas rockets had a <0.01% chance of landing were landing in your backyard??" question. It misses the point.
I'm very cognizant of how the war started. And it doesn't miss the point, not for most people. Most people have never lived in a warzone. It takes graphic imagery to make them understand what is at stake.
However, here's perhaps a better example: What if there was a colony of diehard Germans still camped out at Verdun, who refused to accept that they lost, and every now and again would start shelling some French villages and scream "we will make France run with blood!" How do you think that would be received?
BigBallinStalin wrote:Do you really understand the history of Israel?
Yes, thank you.
Apparently, your "one or two crimes claim" and "no systematic errors committed" claims are wrong. Thanks for honestly admitting that you were wrong about them. It takes an intellectually honest person to do so.
Comparing Palestinians to Nazi Germans is intellectually bankrupt (see underlined). Your prejudice is showing.
I said nothing about Nazis. I said "Verdun." World War I, not World War II. Please tell me you're not so historically illiterate that you've moved one of the greatest battles of WWI into the wrong war!
So, that's why you thought I was comparing the Arabs to Nazis? Because of that example? <sigh>
You obviously missed the whole point of it. The example was about the futility of destroying people's lives to refight a long-lost war. If Germans fill you with an emotional response, here's a German-free example of the same thing:
What if there was still a group of United Empire Loyalists camped out near Boston, refusing to accept the legitimacy of the new colonial government. Hypothetically let's say they didn't go to Canada with the other Loyalists, they still scream that the American Revolution was illegal (true, under the constituted government of the time) and that they will retake their land from the upstarts. Every now and then, just to make their point, they throw some grenades at an American village.
And sure, after a while people would develop sympathy for them, and a whole movement would start to "liberate" the poor suffering Loyalists, who would continue
to refuse to go to Canada, continue demanding that the U.S.A. be dismantled and all the land returned to legitimate British rule, and continue to occasionally kill some Americans to keep the issue alive in the public mind.
Meanwhile, the U.S. Army would regularly go into their encampments to try to destroy their warmaking ability, but in the process (since in these guerrilla situations the military live full-time amongst civilians) there would be more civilians killed, and despite its best efforts to be humane and civilized the U.S. would be increasingly painted as barbaric baby killers.
Is that analogy clearer for you, with no German interlopers to confuse you? That is the situation Israel is in. The only sane solution is for the Arabs to stop hanging around re-fighting the long-lost war of 1948, and GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES.
BigBallinStalin wrote:"But if I did, why not"? Of course, you don't care if you make ignorant, pejorative statements about an entire group of people. Do you find the argument that "most people agree that [black people] advocate [evil policy A]" is a reasonable argument? Do you appeal to an alleged majority opinion because (a) you have reasoned that they are correct, or (b) because their views already conform with yours?
Suppose you're in the 1960s, and you meet someone who says, "black people are violent and racist because the Black Panthers hate white people." Would you say, (A) I agree, or would you ask, (B) do the Black Panthers represent the views of all black people?
According to your past behavior, analogously you would pick (A). How does it feel to support bigoted views?
Bad analogy. "Black people" is clearly about people in general. When I talk about "the Arabs", I'm not talking about the man on the street in Basra. I'm talking their leadership, and specifically about:
- The PLO (including all its subvariants, Faetah and Hamas and Hezbollah)
- The poor saps who carry out their murderous orders
- The Arab League honchos who control them, and especially
- Gamel Nasser, the United Arab Republic, and the KGB brain trust that brought it into being.
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