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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby GabonX on Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:37 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Stories like this video are exactly the reason I question Dukasaur, GabonX, and Metsfanmax when they try to push Hamas torture porn from personal blogs and fly-by-night websites and "Latest News - Biblical Perspective!"


That's at least a little hypocritical coming from someone that claims something called "972 mag" somehow disproves Hamas wasn't utilizing tunnels to burrow into Israeli civilian areas, despite that the New York Times and every other major media outlet reported it.

From the about section of 972 mag:
    +972 is a blog-based web magazine that is jointly owned by a group of journalists, bloggers and photographers whose goal is to provide fresh, original, on-the-ground reporting and analysis of events in Israel and Palestine. Our collective is committed to human rights and freedom of information, and we oppose the occupation. However, +972 Magazine does not represent any organization, political party or specific agenda.

    We see +972 as a platform for our bloggers to share analysis, reports, ideas, images and videos on their channels. Each blogger owns his or her channel and has full rights over its contents (unless otherwise stated). The bloggers alone are responsible for the content posted on their channels; the positions expressed on individual blogs reflect those of their authors, and not +972 as a whole.

This is just another example of Saxitoxin being willing to say anything to promote his strain of anti Zionist antisemitism. Other ridiculous arguments he's espoused recently include the often cited white supremacist straw man that Zionism is a racial movement, Jews are not a race, and this somehow invalidates Zionism holds no water as neither premise is true.

That is to say that DNA evidence indicates that most Jews do share a common genetic lineage originating from the Levant, but that this is irrelevant as Zionism was never intended as a racial movement.

    A study conducted in 2013 refutes any indication of Khazar origin and suggests that " Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations, and among non-Jewish populations, with groups from Europe and the Middle East. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews with populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly with the populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region."[9]

    Studies of autosomal DNA, which look at the entire DNA mixture, have become increasingly important as the technology develops. They show that Jewish populations have tended to form relatively closely related groups in independent communities, with most in a community sharing significant ancestry in common.[15] For Jewish populations of the diaspora, the genetic composition of Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jewish populations show a predominant amount of shared Middle Eastern ancestry. According to Behar, the most parsimonious explanation for this shared Middle Eastern ancestry is that it is "consistent with the historical formulation of the Jewish people as descending from ancient Hebrew and Israelite residents of the Levant" and "the dispersion of the people of ancient Israel throughout the Old World".[16] North African, Italian and others of Iberian origin show variable frequencies of admixture with non-Jewish historical host populations among the maternal lines. In the case of Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews (in particular Moroccan Jews), who are apparently closely related, the non-Jewish component is mainly southern European. Behar et al. have remarked on an especially close relationship to modern Italians.[17][18] The studies show that the Bene Israel and Black Cochin Jews of India, Beta Israel of Ethiopia, and a portion of the Lemba people of southern Africa, while more closely resembling the local populations of their native countries, have some ancient Jewish descent.[13][19][20][21]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

So no, Jews are not a "pure race" but they do tend to have a common, albeit deluded lineage. Of course the concept of race is irrelevant in Zionism as Theodore Herzl envisioned Israel as a haven for Jews to be free of antisemitism regardless of their racial origins.
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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:51 pm

GabonX wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Stories like this video are exactly the reason I question Dukasaur, GabonX, and Metsfanmax when they try to push Hamas torture porn from personal blogs and fly-by-night websites and "Latest News - Biblical Perspective!"


That's at least a little hypocritical coming from someone that claims something called "972 mag" somehow disproves Hamas wasn't utilizing tunnels to burrow into Israeli civilian areas, despite that the New York Times and every other major media outlet reported it.

From the about section of 972 mag:
    +972 is a blog-based web magazine that is jointly owned by a group of journalists, bloggers and photographers whose goal is to provide fresh, original, on-the-ground reporting and analysis of events in Israel and Palestine. Our collective is committed to human rights and freedom of information, and we oppose the occupation. However, +972 Magazine does not represent any organization, political party or specific agenda.

    We see +972 as a platform for our bloggers to share analysis, reports, ideas, images and videos on their channels. Each blogger owns his or her channel and has full rights over its contents (unless otherwise stated). The bloggers alone are responsible for the content posted on their channels; the positions expressed on individual blogs reflect those of their authors, and not +972 as a whole.

This is just another example of Saxitoxin being willing to say anything to promote his strain of anti Zionist antisemitism. Other ridiculous arguments he's espoused recently include the often cited white supremacist straw man that Zionism is a racial movement, Jews are not a race, and this somehow invalidates Zionism holds no water as neither premise is true.

That is to say that DNA evidence indicates that most Jews do share a common genetic lineage originating from the Levant, but that this is irrelevant as Zionism was never intended as a racial movement.

    A study conducted in 2013 refutes any indication of Khazar origin and suggests that " Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations, and among non-Jewish populations, with groups from Europe and the Middle East. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews with populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly with the populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region."[9]

    Studies of autosomal DNA, which look at the entire DNA mixture, have become increasingly important as the technology develops. They show that Jewish populations have tended to form relatively closely related groups in independent communities, with most in a community sharing significant ancestry in common.[15] For Jewish populations of the diaspora, the genetic composition of Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jewish populations show a predominant amount of shared Middle Eastern ancestry. According to Behar, the most parsimonious explanation for this shared Middle Eastern ancestry is that it is "consistent with the historical formulation of the Jewish people as descending from ancient Hebrew and Israelite residents of the Levant" and "the dispersion of the people of ancient Israel throughout the Old World".[16] North African, Italian and others of Iberian origin show variable frequencies of admixture with non-Jewish historical host populations among the maternal lines. In the case of Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews (in particular Moroccan Jews), who are apparently closely related, the non-Jewish component is mainly southern European. Behar et al. have remarked on an especially close relationship to modern Italians.[17][18] The studies show that the Bene Israel and Black Cochin Jews of India, Beta Israel of Ethiopia, and a portion of the Lemba people of southern Africa, while more closely resembling the local populations of their native countries, have some ancient Jewish descent.[13][19][20][21]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

So no, Jews are not a "pure race" but they do tend to have a common, albeit deluded lineage. Of course the concept of race is irrelevant in Zionism as Theodore Herzl envisioned Israel as a haven for Jews to be free of antisemitism regardless of their racial origins.


Hi Gabby. I debunked your pro-Hitler screed here. I appreciate that you're copypaste blasting it into every thread so you can out-scream your opponents and win via volume rather than reason. You'll get promoted to Hasbara Level 5 and get the little brass medallion they mail out soon, I'm confident.
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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby GabonX on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:00 pm

Contrary to your claim that the conclusion was drawn from a single questionable source, the article I linked to has a total of 98 references.

If you think you know better you're welcome to try to edit the page to improve it, but if you try to pass the usual drivel that you post here it will be challenged.
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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:10 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
GoranZ wrote:I just want to see saxy's face after seeing the video from the link

http://conservativepost.com/gaza-corpse ... e-on-them/


This was an unrelated protest in Egypt from October of 2013, not a funeral in Gaza in 2014. El Badil (credited in the chyron of the video) is an Egyptian TV station and here is the same video date-stamped October 2013: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a87_1383098197

In other words, the "epically insane" Zionist Queen Pamela Geller took this video - aware that it was from Egypt last year - and made the conscious decision to change the name and date so she could fool her followers into believing it was a funeral in Gaza.

Stories like this video are exactly the reason I question Dukasaur, GabonX, and Metsfanmax when they try to push Hamas torture porn from personal blogs and fly-by-night websites and "Latest News - Biblical Perspective!" When they arch their backs and bristle and say "don't question the source - question the story!" it's like demanding I rationally address the reports of witches using gingerbread houses to lure hormonal teenagers ... instead of letting me just point out said reports were published in Grimm's Fairy Tales and move on.


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Gabby's tantrum forced this well-timed - but quite typical - demonstration of "epically insane" Pamela Geller's lies off the last page. (Which was what he was trying to do - see here.) He lies and lies and lies and, when he runs out of lies, he screams and screams so you can't hear anything else. That's Hasbara 101, people. GabonX hates America and Americans. Just like an Israeli.

GabonX wrote:Contrary to your claim that the conclusion was drawn from a single questionable source, the article I linked to has a total of 98 references.


No it didn't. And that was shown to be another "Gabon Lie," too.

Also, let's work together to keep your schizophrenia to a single thread, okay? When you have an episode in one thread, it's not necessary to alert every other thread on Conquer Club that you just had an episode. How can I empower you to do that?
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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby GabonX on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:51 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Also, let's work together to keep your schizophrenia to a single thread, okay? When you have an episode in one thread, it's not necessary to alert every other thread on Conquer Club that you just had an episode. How can I empower you to do that?

You could choose not to repeat the same false argument in three different threads...

If you keep it to one I will too.


Most contemporary geneticists agree that there is a common genetic link among Jews though maybe not one strong enough to identify Jews as a unified race. Frankly the racial argument is a red herring, or a distraction intended to make people forget that the primary purpose of Zionism is to create a safe haven for people who may be persecuted for being Jewish regardless of genetic origins.

If you guys are interested in the subject (and I know most of you aren't) I recommend you read the wikipedia article and take a look at it's many sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews
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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:02 pm

GabonX wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Also, let's work together to keep your schizophrenia to a single thread, okay? When you have an episode in one thread, it's not necessary to alert every other thread on Conquer Club that you just had an episode. How can I empower you to do that?

You could choose not to repeat the same false argument in three different threads...

If you keep it to one I will too.


Most contemporary geneticists agree that there is a common genetic link among Jews


Okay!

This study was supported, in part, by the Lewis and Rachel Rudin Foundation, the Iranian-American Jewish Federation of New York, the U.S.-Israel Binational Science Foundation ... and Ruth and Sidney Lapidus.


:lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D>

Pardon me if I stick with my source (6 years more current than yours and not paid for by a Who's Who of militant Zionism in the U.S.). You keep on praying for Jesus to appear and whisk you away on his magic horse to your treasured "White's Only" heaven, Gabs. Never step believing!
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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby GabonX on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:05 pm

All right. I guess you've "proven" that Zionism is not a racist movement...

Congratulations ;)
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Re: Israeli Shipped Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third D

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:44 pm

Oaklanders block unloading of Israeli cargo ship

The activists formed pickets at several Port gates to prevent workers from unloading the Piraeus, a vessel from Zim Integrated Shipping Services, Israel's largest shipping firm. The ship docked at 5 p.m. at the port's Oakland International Container Terminal, and protesters communicating via Twitter said port employees were honoring their picket lines.

"It's my understanding that labor did not report to work for the 7 p.m. shift at the Oakland International Terminal," port spokeswoman Marilyn Sandifur said Sunday evening.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/O ... 694754.php


For the record, Longshoremen receive full pay even if they can't work - provided an arbitrator determines the protest is sufficiently volatile to create an unsafe environment. U.S. law precludes the ILWU from siding with the protesters or refusing to unload Zionist ships, however, the ILWU have committed to requesting an arbitrator ruling each time any protesters are present at a Zionist ship berthing (the same tactic was used against South Africa in the 80s). This is how the 2010 docking was stopped and Zim had to eat the costs of the "un-unloaded" shipment

More blockades of Zionist merchant ships are planned in Portland, Tacoma, and Seattle this week, as well as various ports in Europe.

    cue GabonX: "The union is anti-Semitic! The protestors are anti-Semitic! The Pacific Ocean is anti-Semitic! The seagulls that crapped on the Israeli ship are motivated by anti-Semitism!"
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Re: Irish MP: "Israel needs to be dismantled"

Postby GoranZ on Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:02 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
GoranZ wrote:I just want to see saxy's face after seeing the video from the link

http://conservativepost.com/gaza-corpse ... e-on-them/


This was an unrelated protest in Egypt from October of 2013, not a funeral in Gaza in 2014. El Badil (credited in the chyron of the video) is an Egyptian TV station and here is the same video date-stamped October 2013: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a87_1383098197

In other words, the "epically insane" Zionist Queen Pamela Geller took this video - aware that it was from Egypt last year - and made the conscious decision to change the name and date so she could fool her followers into believing it was a funeral in Gaza.

Stories like this video are exactly the reason I question Dukasaur, GabonX, and Metsfanmax when they try to push Hamas torture porn from personal blogs and fly-by-night websites and "Latest News - Biblical Perspective!" When they arch their backs and bristle and say "don't question the source - question the story!" it's like demanding I rationally address the reports of witches using gingerbread houses to lure hormonal teenagers ... instead of letting me just point out said reports were published in Grimm's Fairy Tales and move on.

I rest my case... didn't properly check the story

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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:23 am

I just finished reading The General's Son, which I highly recommend now.

It's by Miko Peled, who is the son of an insane Israeli general. Miko was, himself, a former lunatic Zionist cockatrice. However, after his niece was accidentally killed during a resistance operation in Jerusalem, he re-examined his Zionist-inspired hate and racism and became a supporter of Palestinian liberation, and now calls for the total dismantling of the Israeli state as we know it. The forward to the book is by the Pulitzer-winning author Alice Walker (The Color Purple). Peaceful visionaries of all creeds have found the inspiration to imagine a world without Israel!

Miko Peled, a Jew, being man-handled by two cockatrice. I like the caption he wrote: "The guy with the smirk got a load of tear gas later, probably thrown back at him by someone. He wasn't smiling no more but crying like the little coward that he is." In its various wars, Israeli soldiers are known to run and flee during ground operations when they lose their high-tech air support.
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:45 am

I found The Gatekeepers entertaining. It's an interview of several former heads of Shin Bet, the Israeli intelligence organization in charge of targeted assassinations and counter-terrorism.


Here's an interview with the director and with a few clips from the film:



In the full documentary, one of the former heads of the Shin Bet compares Israel to Nazi Germany in how they occupied the French, Dutch, Polish, etc. (inb4 "ANTI-SEMITE!!!" by some dumb twat).
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby Gillipig on Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:12 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:I found The Gatekeepers entertaining. It's an interview of several former heads of Shin Bet, the Israeli intelligence organization in charge of targeted assassinations and counter-terrorism.


Here's an interview with the director and with a few clips from the film:



In the full documentary, one of the former heads of the Shin Bet compares Israel to Nazi Germany in how they occupied the French, Dutch, Polish, etc. (inb4 "ANTI-SEMITE!!!" by some dumb twat).

They also supposedly killed our foreign minister.
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Postby saxitoxin on Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:30 pm

Gillipig wrote:They also supposedly killed our foreign minister.


Great observation. One point that bears noting in the brutal murder of the Count of Wisborg:

    The actual butchering of His Grace was carried out by Lehi, the Israeli Nazi-affiliated group that GabonX previously dismissed as "obscure", fringe, and not representative of Israel after I brought it up in rebut of the Dennis Prager racist slander campaign about Arabs who had associated with the Nazis 70 years ago he and tzor were dumbly regurgitating. The specific killing order came from Lehi central command chief Yitzakh Shamir, who would eventually hold the offices of Foreign Minister of Israel, Prime Minister of Israel, and Speaker of the Knesset.
So, yes, Nazi-linked Lehi was just a very "obscure" fringe group that did not play a very big role and I'm an anti-Semite to even mention it. Oh, but hey, did you hear about the mufti who met a German colonel in 1940? Ohhhh helll! No he di'int! Git dem dirty Ay-rabs! Les git 'em all! They plottin' with ol' Hitler to steal our babies with their gingerbread houses! Bommmmbbb Gazzzzzza!

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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:29 pm

Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:I found The Gatekeepers entertaining. It's an interview of several former heads of Shin Bet, the Israeli intelligence organization in charge of targeted assassinations and counter-terrorism.


Here's an interview with the director and with a few clips from the film:



In the full documentary, one of the former heads of the Shin Bet compares Israel to Nazi Germany in how they occupied the French, Dutch, Polish, etc. (inb4 "ANTI-SEMITE!!!" by some dumb twat).

They also supposedly killed our foreign minister.


How many foreign ministers do you own?
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby Gillipig on Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:56 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:I found The Gatekeepers entertaining. It's an interview of several former heads of Shin Bet, the Israeli intelligence organization in charge of targeted assassinations and counter-terrorism.


Here's an interview with the director and with a few clips from the film:



In the full documentary, one of the former heads of the Shin Bet compares Israel to Nazi Germany in how they occupied the French, Dutch, Polish, etc. (inb4 "ANTI-SEMITE!!!" by some dumb twat).

They also supposedly killed our foreign minister.


How many foreign ministers do you own?

How many do you need killed?
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:16 am

Whoa, man. Gilli, killing people is no laughing matter.
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby Gillipig on Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:53 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Whoa, man. Gilli, killing people is no laughing matter.

That's why I was not laughing. Give me their names and I'll give you my price.
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:55 am

Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Whoa, man. Gilli, killing people is no laughing matter.

That's why I was not laughing. Give me their names and I'll give you my price.


Oh, good to see we're on the same page!

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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby Gillipig on Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:09 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Whoa, man. Gilli, killing people is no laughing matter.

That's why I was not laughing. Give me their names and I'll give you my price.


Oh, good to see we're on the same page!

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Oh I know you love me so you cannot be serious, besides, I'm not a foreign minister.....yet.
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:43 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:I found The Gatekeepers entertaining. It's an interview of several former heads of Shin Bet, the Israeli intelligence organization in charge of targeted assassinations and counter-terrorism.


Here's an interview with the director and with a few clips from the film:



I found the preview intriguing. Let me know if you hear of it on PBS or one of the free networks. I'd like to see it, but not quite enough to pay $19.00 plus shipping for the tape, and despite your assurances I'm not quite brave enough to go to one of the pirate websites and end up with god-knows-what esoteric malware from Kazakhstan.

I checked out some of the critiques, both pro and con. One of the ones that got me thinking the most was Gil Troy's quite vehement attack on the movie, the central theme of which was:
This blurring of their “professional” and “political” opinions feels like an attempted coup d’etat by the retired Shin Bet heads. Wrapping their political conclusions – and those of the director Dror Moreh – in the mantle of credibility they earned while serving the nation in this sensitive position bypasses the political process.

I thought, "that's all wrong."

Letting criticism of the state be suppressed by "national security" is a big part of what's wrong with most countries. Granted, there are specific operational details that must remain secret, but the broad overview of what is happening needs to be publicly accessible and publicly debatable. One starts to wonder at what point does a representative's influence over public opinion cease to be statesmanship and start to be mere paternalism.

The Isreali establishment -- and I know you've said this before -- needs better transparency. I happen to think they've done a pretty good job of conducting the war, but it really doesn't matter so much what I think. What matters is the opinions of those people who will have to pay for the consequences, and I think that a good percentage of the people in Israel would like a policy that aims more towards a negotiated peace. Even if I or others might think such a policy is hopelessly naive, it is still their right to have it if that is what they really want.
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby ooge on Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:50 pm

well it looks like this is quieting down again,see you all in two years when Israel blows up the west bank or is Lebanon next I cant keep track.
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Re: Israeli Ship Blocked from Unloading Cargo for Third Day

Postby a6mzero on Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:31 pm

Maybe by the time 2 years have gone by ISIS will have made it to Gaza and have beheaded all the Hamas for not being true believers.
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