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Re: Scotland independence

Postby betiko on Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:21 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
betiko wrote:i have to say i'd be very curious to see what happens if they become independent... a great science lab to see "what would happen if". there are so many provinces in europe fighting for independence, and it has always seemed so dumb. "look what happened to scotland" will be quite interesting; right now I doubt it will be as horrible as some might say or as great as some others think, it's worth testing. Is there turning back?


Catalonia splitting from Spain has great potential to be a prosperous move. To name one potential: they get to drop Spain's disastrous labor regulations which prevents unemployment from falling. The problem is that the Spanish government (IIRC) threatened Catalonia with an economic embargo if it kept thinking about leaving, so there's that cost. In one sense, it's dumb that a central government would want to prohibit regulatory innovation across its provinces, but in another sense it's smart for the central government to reject secession because secession would result in lower central government revenues for Spain's dumb public policies.


UBS, JP morgan and all you want mark catalonia's independence as a high risk factor.
Independentist economists claim that the new state, if created, would manage to keep incomes and expenses at the same level; but this is just theorical. This doesn't take into acount possible political decisions such as creating an army or not; and increasing the police force and any other decision to help the state be more "sovereign".
Cataluña has a huge public debt towards the spanish state, and it would be interesting to figure out how they would pay it as the conditions would definitely change. This is all economic-fiction; it's hard to predict what would happen with spain, with the EU and with other neighbours. How would the spanish workforce working in spain would react and so forth. It's really not as manichean as that.
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby tzor on Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:02 am

pmchugh wrote:It is a campaign tactic to say that they will not accept a currency union, and will be something to bargain with in the post vote negotiations. A currency union is the best thing for both Scotland and the rest of the UK, the British government would be a whole new level of incompetent to reject it.


One alternative would be to have Scotland have its own currency but have it tied to the UK Pound (much like Bermuda has its own currency but is tied to the U.S. Dollar). That way they can have their own currency (and put whatever they want on their bills) without having to worry about loosing trade and commerce from England.

(On second thought ... can you imagine if Scotland went "full Bermuda"? Per their currency to the U.K. pound, eliminate income tax, eliminate corporate income tax, watch all the business from England go "Gault" and move to Scotland. Yea, it really hasn't worked for Bermuda either except for the refinance industry. :twisted:
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby pmchugh on Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:48 pm

tzor wrote:
pmchugh wrote:It is a campaign tactic to say that they will not accept a currency union, and will be something to bargain with in the post vote negotiations. A currency union is the best thing for both Scotland and the rest of the UK, the British government would be a whole new level of incompetent to reject it.


One alternative would be to have Scotland have its own currency but have it tied to the UK Pound (much like Bermuda has its own currency but is tied to the U.S. Dollar). That way they can have their own currency (and put whatever they want on their bills) without having to worry about loosing trade and commerce from England.


That is pretty much the backup plan. It will be interesting to see it being played out though, I do slightly worry that Westminster are so entrenched in their argument that they would make the wrong choice just to be seen to be tough and not back down.

(On second thought ... can you imagine if Scotland went "full Bermuda"? Per their currency to the U.K. pound, eliminate income tax, eliminate corporate income tax, watch all the business from England go "Gault" and move to Scotland. Yea, it really hasn't worked for Bermuda either except for the refinance industry. :twisted:


We do seem to have a little bit of hypocrisy in the yes camp with regards to taxation. The yes camp like to put forward that they will have a more just and fair society, but it is almost certain we will lower corporation tax to incentivise businesses to come north of the border. Although not to 0% :lol:
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:40 pm

I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.


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Re: Scotland independence

Postby gordon1975 on Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:08 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.


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someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:09 pm

gordon1975 wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.


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someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back


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Re: Scotland independence

Postby gordon1975 on Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:19 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
gordon1975 wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.


--Andy

someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back


That was me!

i would of bought it,if was under a fiver
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:20 pm

Yea, but I'm not actually Scottish, so it was just fraud :(
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby gordon1975 on Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:23 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Yea, but I'm not actually Scottish, so it was just fraud :(


£2.50 then,il pop it in the ballot box(u never know)
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby Serbia on Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:40 pm

GoranZ wrote:What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians :lol: Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians.
Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.


This is such a bullshit position to take. You think Macedonia has only ever been populated by Macedonians? I know you're not that naive. Europeans certainly have no greater morality than North and South Americans have regarding "stealing" land. It's happened throughout human history. Only depends on how far back you want to look.

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Re: Scotland independence

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:49 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Yea, but I'm not actually Scottish, so it was just fraud :(


As I understand it,being Scottish doesn't get you a vote -living in Scotland does.
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:29 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Yea, but I'm not actually Scottish, so it was just fraud :(


As I understand it,being Scottish doesn't get you a vote -living in Scotland does.


Figures the Englishman would try to repress my rights as a Scot!
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:42 pm

50% Welsh...
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:45 pm

gordon1975 wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I'm selling my friend's Scottish independence vote to the highest bidder. Own a piece of history today! Special discounts for available for purchasing next week.


--Andy

someone put there vote up for sale on ebay and was aressted for it,just a few weeks back


My American friend gave me his postal vote in the US election last time around.
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby GoranZ on Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:03 pm

It starts... God save England :lol:


Serbia wrote:
GoranZ wrote:What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians :lol: Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians.
Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.


This is such a bullshit position to take. You think Macedonia has only ever been populated by Macedonians? I know you're not that naive. Europeans certainly have no greater morality than North and South Americans have regarding "stealing" land. It's happened throughout human history. Only depends on how far back you want to look.

Bollocks.

Quote the whole post and you should understand the meaning of it... As it is you quoted only what fits you...
I never said that Macedonia was populated only by Macedonians, you concluded that by your own. But the same can not be said for Canada which was predominately populated by Native Indians before the arrival of Europeans to Northern America... at least in the last 15 000 years ;)

What I said:
GoranZ wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I bet my computer monitor is bigger than your tv!

I dont watch TV, so technically you are correct...

DoomYoshi wrote:Says the guy from the country with 33% unemployment and an average salary that is below the Canadian poverty line.

What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians :lol: Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians.
Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby GoranZ on Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:56 pm

Motivation for Scottish voters :)

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Re: Scotland independence

Postby Serbia on Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:12 am

GoranZ wrote:It starts... God save England :lol:


Serbia wrote:
GoranZ wrote:What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians :lol: Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians.
Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.


This is such a bullshit position to take. You think Macedonia has only ever been populated by Macedonians? I know you're not that naive. Europeans certainly have no greater morality than North and South Americans have regarding "stealing" land. It's happened throughout human history. Only depends on how far back you want to look.

Bollocks.

Quote the whole post and you should understand the meaning of it... As it is you quoted only what fits you...
I never said that Macedonia was populated only by Macedonians, you concluded that by your own. But the same can not be said for Canada which was predominately populated by Native Indians before the arrival of Europeans to Northern America... at least in the last 15 000 years ;)

What I said:
GoranZ wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I bet my computer monitor is bigger than your tv!

I dont watch TV, so technically you are correct...

DoomYoshi wrote:Says the guy from the country with 33% unemployment and an average salary that is below the Canadian poverty line.

What do you "rich Canadians" watch on TV? Kardashians :lol: Wait, you are not Canadian, you are illegal immigrant from France living on land that is stolen from the Native Indians.
Nice try Imbecile, but what you consider as your property is not actually yours.


Yeah, adding that you don't watch TV doesn't make your statement any better. It's still a bullshit statement. But nice try.

Bollocks.
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:55 am

Just to let everyone know, I received a divine message last night about the possibility of Scottish Independence. Based on the outcome of the vote, we'll know if I am some sort of primate prophet.

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Re: Scotland independence

Postby GoranZ on Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:48 pm

Serbia wrote:Yeah, adding that you don't watch TV doesn't make your statement any better. It's still a bullshit statement. But nice try.

Bollocks.


Well I didn't expected that you could understand... considering the nickname you have chosen and sharing similar views with regular Serbs. You are no different than Jew who adores the Nazis.

AndyDufresne wrote:Just to let everyone know, I received a divine message last night about the possibility of Scottish Independence. Based on the outcome of the vote, we'll know if I am some sort of primate prophet.

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so what was the message... bananas with Scottish flag or with British flag :D

P.S. Bananas are imported... I bet even the flag is imported(bloody Chinese they have their hands everywhere, even in your dream :D)

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Re: Scotland independence

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:54 pm

Whatever the result, a 97% turnout is wonderful. Would that we could get that all the time.
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby gordon1975 on Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:47 pm

voted first thing this morning,whole place is buzzing,nobody has a clue what way its going to go,shame about the andy murray thing though,relay hoping theres no trouble
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Re: Scotland independence

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:35 pm

GoranZ wrote:
Serbia wrote:Yeah, adding that you don't watch TV doesn't make your statement any better. It's still a bullshit statement. But nice try.

Bollocks.


Well I didn't expected that you could understand... considering the nickname you have chosen and sharing similar views with regular Serbs. You are no different than Jew who adores the Nazis.


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Re: Scotland independence

Postby patches70 on Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:38 pm

Something about this CNN poll, can't put my finger on exactly what's wrong....

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Re: Scotland independence

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:06 pm

patches70 wrote:Something about this CNN poll, can't put my finger on exactly what's wrong....

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Re: Scotland independence

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:25 pm

The Union Jack vs the Saltire? What a stupid way to visualize this referendum.
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