Conquer Club

It may not work but it's a beautiful thing.

Link please so we may refute your claim.

Democracy is the cart.

The horse is the notion of natural law and inalienable human rights.

You can't put the cart before the horse, you can't have a cart work without the horse.

Gillipig wrote:It may not work but it's a beautiful thing.

mmm vänsterpartister i regering för första gången är verkligen anledning att fira


He is celebrating the fact that the party that has been celebrated as the most competent during the financial crises in the whole of the EU has lost the election, in favor of an uncertain future of environmental yuppies that want to follow Germany's example and close the nuclear power-plants in favor of coal... oh, and the communist party.

clap... clap... weep...

The horror.

tzor wrote:Democracy is the cart.



You can't put the cart before the horse, you can't have a cart work without the horse.

Yes you can, you get sheep to pull it.

tzor wrote:Democracy is the cart.

The horse is the notion of natural law and inalienable human rights.

You can't put the cart before the horse, you can't have a cart work without the horse.

You don't need the cart nor the horse if you get a car. A car can of course speed out of control if it's not properly managed by a skilled driver, but a skilled driver will always be more competent than a bunch of horses each pulling in different directions. For me it comes down to risk vs gain evaluement.

Arama86n wrote:

Gillipig wrote:It may not work but it's a beautiful thing.

mmm vänsterpartister i regering för första gången är verkligen anledning att fira


He is celebrating the fact that the party that has been celebrated as the most competent during the financial crises in the whole of the EU has lost the election, in favor of an uncertain future of environmental yuppies that want to follow Germany's example and close the nuclear power-plants in favor of coal... oh, and the communist party.

clap... clap... weep...

The horror.

Not at all, I'm saying that this election has shown how incompetent we are at choosing who shall represent us (hence why "it doesn't work"), I still think that it is a beautiful thing though and don't want to give it up. But it is leading us down the shitter.

Gillipig wrote:You don't need the cart nor the horse if you get a car.

Most cars are carts with mechanical horses in the front. (Yes the old VW Beetles were an exception, the engine was in the back.)

There is no America, there is no democracy. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies The world is a college of corporations inexorably determined by the immutably bylaws of business. The world is a business. Everything is potential capital.

warmonger1981 wrote:There is no America, there is no democracy. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies The world is a college of corporations inexorably determined by the immutably bylaws of business. The world is a business. Everything is potential capital.

--Andy

Gillipig wrote:

Arama86n wrote:

Gillipig wrote:It may not work but it's a beautiful thing.

mmm vänsterpartister i regering för första gången är verkligen anledning att fira


He is celebrating the fact that the party that has been celebrated as the most competent during the financial crises in the whole of the EU has lost the election, in favor of an uncertain future of environmental yuppies that want to follow Germany's example and close the nuclear power-plants in favor of coal... oh, and the communist party.

clap... clap... weep...

The horror.

Not at all, I'm saying that this election has shown how incompetent we are at choosing who shall represent us (hence why "it doesn't work"), I still think that it is a beautiful thing though and don't want to give it up. But it is leading us down the shitter.

Is this a form of faith?

Sounds like the diary entry of a battered wife.

All of the above.

you can't say that in Texas... the texas board of education will no longer allow it in text books!!

The board also required that the U.S. be referred to as a “constitutional republic” rather than a “democratic” one.

lunatic texans... you have to love them...-Jésus noir

tzor wrote:

Gillipig wrote:You don't need the cart nor the horse if you get a car.

Most cars are carts with mechanical horses in the front. (Yes the old VW Beetles were an exception, the engine was in the back.)

I think you missed my point.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

Arama86n wrote:

Gillipig wrote:It may not work but it's a beautiful thing.

mmm vänsterpartister i regering för första gången är verkligen anledning att fira


He is celebrating the fact that the party that has been celebrated as the most competent during the financial crises in the whole of the EU has lost the election, in favor of an uncertain future of environmental yuppies that want to follow Germany's example and close the nuclear power-plants in favor of coal... oh, and the communist party.

clap... clap... weep...

The horror.

Not at all, I'm saying that this election has shown how incompetent we are at choosing who shall represent us (hence why "it doesn't work"), I still think that it is a beautiful thing though and don't want to give it up. But it is leading us down the shitter.

Is this a form of faith?

"Hope" perhaps, not a loud and confident hopefullness that so many politicians pretend to possess, but a subtle hope in that one day we might make it work, and that it might be worth suffering the consequences until that day.

This election was fun...NOT... democracy as it is/was meant to be might still work but parlamentary democrazy (:)) is not working very well. It will be intresting to see if the brown necks in riksdag will crash this government next budget vote! But damn, the alliance took us through one hell of a financial crisis and we repay em by voting on the opposition... and the opposition does seem to be really, relly good at their work...NOT oh well we can look forward to 4 years of social experementation and raised taxes 32-35% isnt enough for some it seems:)

Lord Arioch wrote:This election was fun...NOT... democracy as it is/was meant to be might still work but parlamentary democrazy (:)) is not working very well. It will be intresting to see if the brown necks in riksdag will crash this government next budget vote! But damn, the alliance took us through one hell of a financial crisis and we repay em by voting on the opposition... and the opposition does seem to be really, relly good at their work...NOT oh well we can look forward to 4 years of social experementation and raised taxes 32-35% isnt enough for some it seems:)

I'm not buying that we were doing so well under the alliance, clearly people were not satisfied with how things were being run, having said that the situation we're in now is not gonna be any better, further down the road though this might prove to be the straw that breaks the camels back. And then perhaps we migth finally get a competent democracy that actually works. These are interesting an turbulent times but that is always the case when a country is going through radical change, it's not always that it turns out well though so we have to look out for that.

Agreed! The brownnecks in riksdag will make democratic work intresting... the problem is i really dont like Löfven... at all! And MP brrr damn hippies... as u say intresting times but i would much rather have had a strong government even a Löfven one! minoroty goverment kind of suck!

Gillipig wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

Arama86n wrote:

Gillipig wrote:It may not work but it's a beautiful thing.

mmm vänsterpartister i regering för första gången är verkligen anledning att fira


He is celebrating the fact that the party that has been celebrated as the most competent during the financial crises in the whole of the EU has lost the election, in favor of an uncertain future of environmental yuppies that want to follow Germany's example and close the nuclear power-plants in favor of coal... oh, and the communist party.

clap... clap... weep...

The horror.

Not at all, I'm saying that this election has shown how incompetent we are at choosing who shall represent us (hence why "it doesn't work"), I still think that it is a beautiful thing though and don't want to give it up. But it is leading us down the shitter.

Is this a form of faith?

"Hope" perhaps, not a loud and confident hopefullness that so many politicians pretend to possess, but a subtle hope in that one day we might make it work, and that it might be worth suffering the consequences until that day.

You're starting to sound like a fundamentalist.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

Arama86n wrote:

Gillipig wrote:It may not work but it's a beautiful thing.

mmm vänsterpartister i regering för första gången är verkligen anledning att fira


He is celebrating the fact that the party that has been celebrated as the most competent during the financial crises in the whole of the EU has lost the election, in favor of an uncertain future of environmental yuppies that want to follow Germany's example and close the nuclear power-plants in favor of coal... oh, and the communist party.

clap... clap... weep...

The horror.

Not at all, I'm saying that this election has shown how incompetent we are at choosing who shall represent us (hence why "it doesn't work"), I still think that it is a beautiful thing though and don't want to give it up. But it is leading us down the shitter.

Is this a form of faith?

"Hope" perhaps, not a loud and confident hopefullness that so many politicians pretend to possess, but a subtle hope in that one day we might make it work, and that it might be worth suffering the consequences until that day.

You're starting to sound like a fundamentalist.

How's that? Is supporting democracy even when it struggles an extreme political standpoint? Feel free to elaborate on that.

Gillipig wrote:I think you missed my point.

I think I flat out ignored your point.

tzor wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I think you missed my point.

I think I flat out ignored your point.

And I've got a little TIP for you, get the POINT?


--Andy

tzor wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I think you missed my point.

I think I flat out ignored your point.

Either way you scored no points. You should be substituted asap. COACH! GET THIS GUY OUT OF HERE! HE'S DRAGGING THE TEAM DOWN!!

warmonger1981 wrote:There is no America, there is no democracy. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies The world is a college of corporations inexorably determined by the immutably bylaws of business. The world is a business. Everything is potential capital.

Which might be why its hardly made the standard news outlets that Phillip Morris is suing Uruguay in the world court over packaging rules for cigarettes.. packages that are saving lives.
They claim that the package changes violate trade agreements.

And... Australia is apparently next, if they win