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bigtoughralf wrote:White supremacists are responsible for two-thirds of all terror attacks originating in the US. What should be done about this?

n 2019, there were 68 terrorist attacks in the United States. This is a significant increase from the 18 terrorist attacks that occurred in 2008.
Terrorism in the United States

Terrorism in the United States is seen as an act of violence with the motive to create ideological change. Terrorism in the United States is usually associated with Islamic terrorism and does not always consider ring-wing motives as terrorism. Since the September 11, 2001 attack, most terror acts committed on United States soil were perpetrated by U.S. born citizens. Additionally, since 1970, bombing/explosion type attacks were the most common type of terror attacks in the United States. 2017 saw the highest number of fatalities in terrorist attacks since 2001.
9/11 Attack

The September 11, 2001 attack was the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States. Perpetrated by terrorist group al-Qaeda, over 3,000 people died and around 6,000 people were injured. Furthermore, it caused long-term health problems for those who survived such as cancer and other respiratory diseases. The World Trade Center in New York City was destroyed and a portion of the Pentagon was severely damaged as a result of three different airplanes crashing into them. Following the attack, the United States declared the War on Terror and invaded Afghanistan. Additionally, the Homeland Security Act was introduced. It created the Department of Homeland Security, which seeks to protect civilians within and outside the borders of the United States and respond to terrorist attacks. However, nearly half of U.S. citizens said that they were only somewhat satisfied with the government’s response to 9/11.

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jusplay4fun wrote:

bigtoughralf wrote:White supremacists are responsible for two-thirds of all terror attacks originating in the US. What should be done about this?

are we seeing ralf's spots and true colors now showing??

https://www.statista.com/statistics/591079/number-of-terrorist-attacks-in-united-states/

n 2019, there were 68 terrorist attacks in the United States. This is a significant increase from the 18 terrorist attacks that occurred in 2008.
Terrorism in the United States

Terrorism in the United States is seen as an act of violence with the motive to create ideological change. Terrorism in the United States is usually associated with Islamic terrorism and does not always consider ring-wing motives as terrorism. Since the September 11, 2001 attack, most terror acts committed on United States soil were perpetrated by U.S. born citizens. Additionally, since 1970, bombing/explosion type attacks were the most common type of terror attacks in the United States. 2017 saw the highest number of fatalities in terrorist attacks since 2001.
9/11 Attack

The September 11, 2001 attack was the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States. Perpetrated by terrorist group al-Qaeda, over 3,000 people died and around 6,000 people were injured. Furthermore, it caused long-term health problems for those who survived such as cancer and other respiratory diseases. The World Trade Center in New York City was destroyed and a portion of the Pentagon was severely damaged as a result of three different airplanes crashing into them. Following the attack, the United States declared the War on Terror and invaded Afghanistan. Additionally, the Homeland Security Act was introduced. It created the Department of Homeland Security, which seeks to protect civilians within and outside the borders of the United States and respond to terrorist attacks. However, nearly half of U.S. citizens said that they were only somewhat satisfied with the government’s response to 9/11.

Terrorism Definitions
International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

mookiemcgee wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

bigtoughralf wrote:White supremacists are responsible for two-thirds of all terror attacks originating in the US. What should be done about this?

are we seeing ralf's spots and true colors now showing??

https://www.statista.com/statistics/591079/number-of-terrorist-attacks-in-united-states/

n 2019, there were 68 terrorist attacks in the United States. This is a significant increase from the 18 terrorist attacks that occurred in 2008.
Terrorism in the United States

Terrorism in the United States is seen as an act of violence with the motive to create ideological change. Terrorism in the United States is usually associated with Islamic terrorism and does not always consider ring-wing motives as terrorism. Since the September 11, 2001 attack, most terror acts committed on United States soil were perpetrated by U.S. born citizens. Additionally, since 1970, bombing/explosion type attacks were the most common type of terror attacks in the United States. 2017 saw the highest number of fatalities in terrorist attacks since 2001.
9/11 Attack

The September 11, 2001 attack was the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States. Perpetrated by terrorist group al-Qaeda, over 3,000 people died and around 6,000 people were injured. Furthermore, it caused long-term health problems for those who survived such as cancer and other respiratory diseases. The World Trade Center in New York City was destroyed and a portion of the Pentagon was severely damaged as a result of three different airplanes crashing into them. Following the attack, the United States declared the War on Terror and invaded Afghanistan. Additionally, the Homeland Security Act was introduced. It created the Department of Homeland Security, which seeks to protect civilians within and outside the borders of the United States and respond to terrorist attacks. However, nearly half of U.S. citizens said that they were only somewhat satisfied with the government’s response to 9/11.

Honestly JP... going to a random statistic website as a resource for defining terrorism is kinda weak argumenting on your part.

The FBI's terrorism website breaks the term into two categories: International Terrorism and Domestic Terrorism. They are both valid under the umbrella term of terrorism, by our own Gov't.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

Terrorism Definitions
International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

I'm not agreeing with what anyone else has said, just clearing up what the definition of terrorism is by those creating/enforcing those definitions in the USA

jusplay4fun wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

bigtoughralf wrote:White supremacists are responsible for two-thirds of all terror attacks originating in the US. What should be done about this?

are we seeing ralf's spots and true colors now showing??

https://www.statista.com/statistics/591079/number-of-terrorist-attacks-in-united-states/

n 2019, there were 68 terrorist attacks in the United States. This is a significant increase from the 18 terrorist attacks that occurred in 2008.
Terrorism in the United States

Terrorism in the United States is seen as an act of violence with the motive to create ideological change. Terrorism in the United States is usually associated with Islamic terrorism and does not always consider ring-wing motives as terrorism. Since the September 11, 2001 attack, most terror acts committed on United States soil were perpetrated by U.S. born citizens. Additionally, since 1970, bombing/explosion type attacks were the most common type of terror attacks in the United States. 2017 saw the highest number of fatalities in terrorist attacks since 2001.
9/11 Attack

The September 11, 2001 attack was the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States. Perpetrated by terrorist group al-Qaeda, over 3,000 people died and around 6,000 people were injured. Furthermore, it caused long-term health problems for those who survived such as cancer and other respiratory diseases. The World Trade Center in New York City was destroyed and a portion of the Pentagon was severely damaged as a result of three different airplanes crashing into them. Following the attack, the United States declared the War on Terror and invaded Afghanistan. Additionally, the Homeland Security Act was introduced. It created the Department of Homeland Security, which seeks to protect civilians within and outside the borders of the United States and respond to terrorist attacks. However, nearly half of U.S. citizens said that they were only somewhat satisfied with the government’s response to 9/11.

Honestly JP... going to a random statistic website as a resource for defining terrorism is kinda weak argumenting on your part.

The FBI's terrorism website breaks the term into two categories: International Terrorism and Domestic Terrorism. They are both valid under the umbrella term of terrorism, by our own Gov't.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

Terrorism Definitions
International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

I'm not agreeing with what anyone else has said, just clearing up what the definition of terrorism is by those creating/enforcing those definitions in the USA

Mookie, I already LOOKED there and did not see much data during my short look there at the FBI site. There was LOTS to read (such as the definitions you cite and that I read) and little data presented during my 5 minute search there. SO I went elsewhere. I do recall stats by Gender and by state, BUT not by "white supremacists or by "American-born"

If you have better evidence to enlighten ALL of us, please share, Mookie.

And, I am getting the distinct impression that citing facts to bigralf is worthless as he has ignored the facts that I posted that refutes his allegations. Further, he has resorted instead to personal attacks against me. SO why bother spending MORE time to look for more facts from numerous websites or reading LOTS to get to better data? I think what I have already cited will suffice.

mookiemcgee wrote:Why would the 'international community' do anything about it? Are American white nationalists suicide bombing in Zimbabwe and I missed the news?

bigtoughralf wrote:jp: WHERE IS THE DATA
mookie: *provides data*
jp: WHERE IS THE DATA

Think the AntiIslamBot's had a script error or something.

mookiemcgee wrote:I did, and added it to my post above before you posted this... while it certainly doesn't say 'by race' who the terrorists were, but it does break it down by ideology. It's pretty undeniable that far right domestic extremists have commit more attacks, with greater efficiency in killing than islamists and far left domestic terrorists COMBINED (there aren't any foreign far right extremist attacks in the USA that I am aware of)

With that said the premise of this particular thread is still stupid and ridiculous.

Doc_Brown wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:I did, and added it to my post above before you posted this... while it certainly doesn't say 'by race' who the terrorists were, but it does break it down by ideology. It's pretty undeniable that far right domestic extremists have commit more attacks, with greater efficiency in killing than islamists and far left domestic terrorists COMBINED (there aren't any foreign far right extremist attacks in the USA that I am aware of)

With that said the premise of this particular thread is still stupid and ridiculous.

It's been said that the 3 types of untruths are lies, damn lies, and statistics. The conclusion you drew from the numbers is an accurate one. Another way to look at the data is the number of deaths per attack:
33 successful Far right inspired terror incidents with fatalities resulted in 79 deaths, for a fatality rate of 2.4 per attack.
8 successful Islamist inspired terror incidents with fatalities resulted in 90 deaths, for a fatality rate of 11.3 per attack.
2 successful Far left inspired terror incidents with fatalities resulted in 7 deaths, for a fatality rate of 3.5 per attack.

So an equally accurate conclusion is that while far right extremists may have more incidents, they are easily the least deadly. Islamic extremists are far more effective at killing people than any other group (both in raw deaths and deaths per attack).

mookiemcgee wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

bigtoughralf wrote:White supremacists are responsible for two-thirds of all terror attacks originating in the US. What should be done about this?

are we seeing ralf's spots and true colors now showing??

https://www.statista.com/statistics/591079/number-of-terrorist-attacks-in-united-states/

n 2019, there were 68 terrorist attacks in the United States. This is a significant increase from the 18 terrorist attacks that occurred in 2008.
Terrorism in the United States

Terrorism in the United States is seen as an act of violence with the motive to create ideological change. Terrorism in the United States is usually associated with Islamic terrorism and does not always consider ring-wing motives as terrorism. Since the September 11, 2001 attack, most terror acts committed on United States soil were perpetrated by U.S. born citizens. Additionally, since 1970, bombing/explosion type attacks were the most common type of terror attacks in the United States. 2017 saw the highest number of fatalities in terrorist attacks since 2001.
9/11 Attack

The September 11, 2001 attack was the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States. Perpetrated by terrorist group al-Qaeda, over 3,000 people died and around 6,000 people were injured. Furthermore, it caused long-term health problems for those who survived such as cancer and other respiratory diseases. The World Trade Center in New York City was destroyed and a portion of the Pentagon was severely damaged as a result of three different airplanes crashing into them. Following the attack, the United States declared the War on Terror and invaded Afghanistan. Additionally, the Homeland Security Act was introduced. It created the Department of Homeland Security, which seeks to protect civilians within and outside the borders of the United States and respond to terrorist attacks. However, nearly half of U.S. citizens said that they were only somewhat satisfied with the government’s response to 9/11.

Honestly JP... going to a random statistic website as a resource for defining terrorism is kinda weak argumenting on your part.

The FBI's terrorism website breaks the term into two categories: International Terrorism and Domestic Terrorism. They are both valid under the umbrella term of terrorism, by our own Gov't.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

Terrorism Definitions
International terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups who are inspired by, or associated with, designated foreign terrorist organizations or nations (state-sponsored).

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

I'm not agreeing with what anyone else has said, just clearing up what the definition of terrorism is by those creating/enforcing those definitions in the USA

Mookie, I already LOOKED there and did not see much data during my short look there at the FBI site. There was LOTS to read (such as the definitions you cite and that I read) and little data presented during my 5 minute search there. SO I went elsewhere. I do recall stats by Gender and by state, BUT not by "white supremacists or by "American-born"

If you have better evidence to enlighten ALL of us, please share, Mookie.

And, I am getting the distinct impression that citing facts to bigralf is worthless as he has ignored the facts that I posted that refutes his allegations. Further, he has resorted instead to personal attacks against me. SO why bother spending MORE time to look for more facts from numerous websites or reading LOTS to get to better data? I think what I have already cited will suffice.

I did, and added it to my post above before you posted this... while it certainly doesn't say 'by race' who the terrorists were, but it does break it down by ideology. It's pretty undeniable that far right domestic extremists have commit more attacks, with greater efficiency in killing than islamists and far left domestic terrorists COMBINED (there aren't any foreign far right extremist attacks in the USA that I am aware of)

With that said the premise of this particular thread is still stupid and ridiculous.

bigtoughralf wrote:'ralf ignores facts' is an ironic statement from a guy whose response to a statement highlighting rampant Islamophobia and suppression of Muslims in Western countries is to sidestep that point and start rambling about ISIS.

fp, do you think any of the following are reasonable?
- banning headscarves
- banning burkinis
- banning construction of minarets
- banning travel from Muslim countries
- referring teenagers to anti-extremism programmes for simply discussing Palestine or saying 'alhumdulillah' (thanks be to God)
- the media fixating on the 'faith' of self-styled jihadist terrorists, while providing mental health justifications for white terrorists
- etc

If none, will you accept that Muslims are treated unfairly in the West due to a post-9/11 rise in public and official Islamophobia, without immediately adding three paragraphs of text ranting about not wanting your children to be raped by jihadis?