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Is the indictment of former (legally elected) President Donald Trump a witch hunt akin to the threats that the Roman Republic had facing Julius Caesar prior to his “crossing of the Rubicon”?

What are the similarities and differences?

Could this ignite a Civil War or “Popular Uprising” of some kind?

Have Democrats opened a Pandora’s box that will now “justify” prosecutions of former Democratic Presidents in retaliation?

Though I truly believe Trump is disgusting, a sleaze-bag, criminal (mainly prior to his political career), and a horrible President…
I also believe that THIS particular prosecution has very little chance of success and should not have been initiated.

I think it hurts the Nation.

It’s absolutely political… Bragg is doing it for his own personal ‘brand’ and there are national Democrat who want it for various other reasons.

If they could get him for the Georgia Election Fraud case I’d be more likely to support that.
(Only if it was a slam dunk.)

This case is more likely to play out like the Johnny Depp / Amber Hurd trial.

jimboston wrote:Could this ignite a Civil War or “Popular Uprising” of some kind?

Yes. But it will be quickly crushed.

jimboston wrote:Have Democrats opened a Pandora’s box that will now “justify” prosecutions of former Democratic Presidents in retaliation?

No. They wouldn't have gone down this road if the Plutocrats weren't safe.


The same week they indict the former President on an untested legal theory; they decide to see if they can push even further by declaring a Trans Day of Remembrance in the aftermath of the shooting of three children by one of their Trans Activist supporters; they jailed Doug Mackey for making a meme that disrespected their leader Hillary Clinton; they storm and ransack the Oklahoma Capitol; they emotionally assaulted a 12 year-old who failed to properly respect the dysfunctional adults around him; a day doesn't go by that they don't try to outdo the insanity of the day before.

They keep trying to see how far they can go. They keep dialing up the insanity while simultaneously sealing all routes of legal redress, hoping -- praying -- to provoke a violent reaction. This is exactly what they want and, unfortunately, they're going to get it. They've created a pressure cooker whose only purpose is to get someone to snap. And when it inevitably happens, they'll use the dead bodies as props to entrench their government for the next 50 years.

Yet another day and another example of the "democracy" the Democrats are trying to protect

When someone stands in a park with a placard peacefully opposing the surgical amputation of 12 year-old boys' penises and giving double mastectomies to healthy little girls, they deploy the mentally ill thugs they've released from prisons to serve as street enforcers and try to incite a brawl. Meanwhile - far removed - from their golden thrones the plutocrats like Biden pour gasoline on the fire by declaring a Trans Day of Remembrance on the same day three nine year olds are being buried after having their little heads blown off by yet another of their supporters.



This is the playbook the establishment uses when its rule is threatened; the Strategy of Tension. They last used it in Italy to stop the Anti-NATO communists from taking over. Biden and the Democrats are praying to Molok for something to finally blow. And every day it doesn't, they dial up the heat a little more. They need their Bologna Railway Bombing. Unfortunately, they're almost certain to get it.

Dukasaur wrote:https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239306#p5279804

I am hoping for a thread with actual intelligent discussion as it relates to Rome.

Not a thread of incoherent babbling with the likes of NaziSS.

saxitoxin wrote:
they decide to see if they can push even further by declaring a Trans Day of Remembrance in the aftermath of the shooting of three children by one of their Trans Activist supporters; they jailed Doug Mackey for making a meme that disrespected their leader Hillary Clinton; they storm and ransack the Oklahoma Capitol; they emotionally assaulted a 12 year-old who failed to properly respect the dysfunctional adults around him; a day doesn't go by that they don't try to outdo the insanity of the day before.

They keep trying to see how far they can go. They keep dialing up the insanity while simultaneously sealing all routes of legal redress, hoping -- praying -- to provoke a violent reaction. This is exactly what they want and, unfortunately, they're going to get it. They've created a pressure cooker whose only purpose is to get someone to snap. And when it inevitably happens, they'll use the dead bodies as props to entrench their government for the next 50 years.

Trans Day of Remembrance = Dumb Stupid Waste of Brain Power

Doug Mackey = Should go to jail.

Oklahoma Capital = Heard about it but haven’t dug deep enough to comment. Was it really a “storming”?

Pokémon Thing = This kid should sue… that’s one of the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard.
The whole “pronoun” thing it a joke IMHO.

On a personal individual level I will respect any human’s desired method of being addressed (within reason Saxi, I’m not gonna call you “Her Majesty Saxi”). I will address people as “Mr” or “Mrs” or “Sir” or “Mam” or whatever.

The pronoun thing is a joke for other reasons…
1) If you look like a chick and I refer to you as such but you prefer something else, OK fine politely tell me this. If you “come at me” with aggression I will NOT conform and will continue to refer to you how I initially referred to you.

2) Pronouns are generally used to refer to someone WHO’S NOT PRESENT. So the whole idea that pronouns are the things people are getting worked up about is kinda silly. How often do you use pronouns in the presence of the person you are referring to? It happens, especially if you are lazy, but it’s not that big a deal. Shouldn’t this be a “Suffix Debate”… you use “Mr. Miss or Mrs.” when directly speaking with someone way more often.

3) The whole “They/Them” pronoun is a joke. I have heard ‘ seen so many videos were idiots say “My preferred pronouns are They/Them” or “I prefer to use They/Them pronouns”. If your FUCKING PRONOUNS are THEY/THEM then you should refer to yourself as “OUR/WE” not “MY/I”.

If you can’t be consistent with your plurality how can you expect the world to use plural pronouns!

I could go on.

My favourite Rubicon is lychee, but you don't see that one very often for some reason so mango is my preferred back up flavour.

jimboston wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239306#p5279804

I am hoping for a thread with actual intelligent discussion as it relates to Rome.

Not a thread of incoherent babbling with the likes of NaziSS.

Sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The Romans were far more sensible.

The American justice system didn't send Trump to jail for defrauding the investors in his casino of millions. They didn't send Trump to jail for ripping off and shortchanging thousands of contractors and employees over the years. They didn't send Trump to jail for stealing the life savings of thousands of innocent people who signed up for getting an education at his phony "university". All of these things any sensible society would have at least sent him to jail for, if not hanged him. Instead they let him run for office, attempt to destroy the system of alliances that keeps the world in one piece, defraud the taxpayers of hundreds of thousands if not millions by forcing government travelers to stay in his overpriced hotels, attempt to subvert an election, start a riot in the Capitol.

Now they might finally send him to jail for getting some professional attention for his little willie and paying the girl from his corporate account, which pretty much every businessman does.

Don't get me wrong -- I very much want to see the bastard in jail, and I don't really care what excuse is used. But it really holds up a mirror to the ridiculous state of American politics that after all his thousands of heinous crimes, the first one that might see him in jail is a simple case of paying a call girl from company funds.

It kind of reminds me how Americans got more upset about Clinton getting a blowjob in office than they were about Bush starting a war that resulted in the death of 100,000 innocent people.

No Roman leader was ever ousted for something so stupid. Roman officials were murdered, assassinated, arrested, deposed and otherwise dealt with for serious stuff -- for thieving, for being too cruel, for losing wars, for plotting against their friends. To the best of my knowledge no Roman official was ever deposed for getting a call girl sent to the palace.

Dukasaur wrote:It kind of reminds me how Americans got more upset about Clinton getting a blowjob in office than they were about Bush starting a war that resulted in the death of 100,000 innocent people.

*500,000, if you wanted an updated figure

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iraq-dea ... _n_4102855

bigtoughralf wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:It kind of reminds me how Americans got more upset about Clinton getting a blowjob in office than they were about Bush starting a war that resulted in the death of 100,000 innocent people.

*500,000, if you wanted an updated figure

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iraq-dea ... _n_4102855

Yeah. I was trying to go with the most conservative estimate, but yes, depending on how you assess cause and effect it could be up to the 500,000.

Too bad it wasn't in the name of Christianity.

What are those numbers? Millions I assume.

I enjoy seeing how angry people get aboot Trump Especially you non-americans.

MAGA

Dukasaur wrote:

jimboston wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239306#p5279804

I am hoping for a thread with actual intelligent discussion as it relates to Rome.

Not a thread of incoherent babbling with the likes of NaziSS.

Sorry, but I can't take this seriously. The Romans were far more sensible.

The American justice system didn't send Trump to jail for defrauding the investors in his casino of millions. They didn't send Trump to jail for ripping off and shortchanging thousands of contractors and employees over the years. They didn't send Trump to jail for stealing the life savings of thousands of innocent people who signed up for getting an education at his phony "university". All of these things any sensible society would have at least sent him to jail for, if not hanged him. Instead they let him run for office, attempt to destroy the system of alliances that keeps the world in one piece, defraud the taxpayers of hundreds of thousands if not millions by forcing government travelers to stay in his overpriced hotels, attempt to subvert an election, start a riot in the Capitol.

Now they might finally send him to jail for getting some professional attention for his little willie and paying the girl from his corporate account, which pretty much every businessman does.

Don't get me wrong -- I very much want to see the bastard in jail, and I don't really care what excuse is used. But it really holds up a mirror to the ridiculous state of American politics that after all his thousands of heinous crimes, the first one that might see him in jail is a simple case of paying a call girl from company funds.

It kind of reminds me how Americans got more upset about Clinton getting a blowjob in office than they were about Bush starting a war that resulted in the death of 100,000 innocent people.

This reminds me of how the FBI took down Al Capone; not for one of his many heinous crimes, but for tax evasion instead.

No Roman leader was ever ousted for something so stupid. Roman officials were murdered, assassinated, arrested, deposed and otherwise dealt with for serious stuff -- for thieving, for being too cruel, for losing wars, for plotting against their friends. To the best of my knowledge no Roman official was ever deposed for getting a call girl sent to the palace.

Is this what you are advocating to replace our current system? I think to vote him out of office and/or prosecute him for crimes is better; at least for the lawyers and there is less blood. And once the Roman Emperor amassed enough power, it was hard to get rid of him and replace him and go back to the system of a republic. And the Emperor was there for life (NO voting him OUT of office) and hence the need for murder and assassination. And this was the system for a very long time, one man and his family in Charge, with a ruling class of elites who were close to the king and entitled.

jusplay4fun wrote:And this was the system for a very long time, one man and his family in Charge, with a ruling class of elites who were close to the king and entitled.

You can say that again.

After Caesar it wasn’t guaranteed that the Empire would continue as an Empire.
It had a reasonable chance to revert back to a Republic.

It only solidified as an Empire primarily because Augustus took over after Caesar…
and he held the ‘position’ for over 30 years! Solidifying the power and form of Gov’t.

Even then after Augustus there was a smaller chance of reversion… but power fell to
Tiberius who held it for 20+ years. Tiberius was NOT a natural son of Augustus but
“adopted” as an adult, basically to ensure a peaceful transfer of power.

Had their been a shorter reign for Augustus, or a series of bad / short lived Emperors
immediately following Caesar, it’s quite possible the Senate would’ve returned in
some form.

I don’t disagree with Duk (or even JP4) that Trump is a criminal… but I’m not convinced
this particular ‘crime’ at this specific time will actually get him a prison sentence.

I’m curious what we all think the aftermath of this prosecution will lead to.

- Riots?
- a failed prosecution and a boost for Trump in the polls?
- will it get him enough juice and money to secure a General Election win… or just enough to get him the Republican nomination… or neither?
- will it encourage or discourage Ron Desantis for jumping in, or holding off till till 2028?
- trump in Jail?

I'll be honest, I really don't care about that shit. One question though, shouldn't that whore be the one who's prosecuted, not Trump? She blackmailed him, is blackmailing people legal in the US?

Maxleod wrote:I'll be honest, I really don't care about that shit. One question though, shouldn't that whore be the one who's prosecuted, not Trump? She blackmailed him, is blackmailing people legal in the US?

No, but technically she didn't blackmail him. She wanted to make some money selling her story to a tabloid. It was Trump's idea to outbid the tabloids and pay her off. She didn't ask him for the money.

Dukasaur wrote:

Maxleod wrote:I'll be honest, I really don't care about that shit. One question though, shouldn't that whore be the one who's prosecuted, not Trump? She blackmailed him, is blackmailing people legal in the US?

No, but technically she didn't blackmail him. She wanted to make some money selling her story to a tabloid. It was Trump's idea to outbid the tabloids and pay her off. She didn't ask him for the money.

That’s tit-for-tat.

A payoff is a payoff… and it didn’t even hold.

She’s probably not the brightest bulb. She’s definitely somewhat sleazy IMHO.

Aside from being a porn star, I guess you do what you do, I don’t really hold that against her.

Still she (according to the statements she herself made)…
*Fucked Trump in the belief that doing so would get her a spot on the Apprentice.
*Fucked with him knowing he was a married man.
*Shopped her story around (in 2012 when people though Trump might run against Obama) to multiple media outlets looking for the best deal.
*Stopped shopping it when Trump didn’t run, and the value of the story tanked.
*Started shopping it again in 2016 when Trump did run.
*Took money from Trump to keep quiet.
*Somehow the story leaked anyway… and later (after haven taken money) not only told officials (when I believe she was required to under oath/subpoena) but then continued to talk about it on National TV Interviews. Talking even though she took money to keep quiet. Yeah she had to answer some questions under oath/subpoena… but she did not HAVE to go on TV. She did that to try and increase her profile and make even more $.

She’s less reprehensible than Trump…. but she’s still pretty sleazy.

No doubt. But she didn't steal 2.5 million from her investors in a fake casino. She didn't steal $100 million from 5,000 desperate people trying to improve themselves in a fake university. She didn't burn 1,300 different contractors on various construction projects.

A whore is a whore, no doubt. But I'd rather hang out with a whore than a thief, any day.

Dukasaur wrote:No doubt. But she didn't steal 2.5 million from her investors in a fake casino. She didn't steal $100 million from 5,000 desperate people trying to improve themselves in a fake university. She didn't burn 1,300 different contractors on various construction projects.

A whore is a whore, no doubt. But I'd rather hang out with a whore than a thief, any day.

I admitted he was worse IMO.

I’m not judging her for being a whore.
I’m judging her for being a lying sneaking ratting whore.

I just think "worse" is a big understatement. There must be some stronger language available.

jimboston wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:No doubt. But she didn't steal 2.5 million from her investors in a fake casino. She didn't steal $100 million from 5,000 desperate people trying to improve themselves in a fake university. She didn't burn 1,300 different contractors on various construction projects.

A whore is a whore, no doubt. But I'd rather hang out with a whore than a thief, any day.

I admitted he was worse IMO.

I’m not judging her for being a whore.
I’m judging her for being a lying sneaking ratting whore.

Jim have you considered you may have some displaced anger towards your wife that you haven't fully come to terms with?

Sounds like some sort of maternal trauma to me.

Dukasaur wrote:I just think "worse" is a big understatement. There must be some stronger language available.

Way worse?

Dukasaur wrote:A whore is a whore, no doubt. But I'd rather hang out with a whore than a thief, any day.

Can you document the whores you hang out with, just for curiosity's sake?

mookiemcgee wrote:

jimboston wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:No doubt. But she didn't steal 2.5 million from her investors in a fake casino. She didn't steal $100 million from 5,000 desperate people trying to improve themselves in a fake university. She didn't burn 1,300 different contractors on various construction projects.

A whore is a whore, no doubt. But I'd rather hang out with a whore than a thief, any day.

I admitted he was worse IMO.

I’m not judging her for being a whore.
I’m judging her for being a lying sneaking ratting whore.

Jim have you considered you may have some displaced anger towards your wife that you haven't fully come to terms with?

I appreciate the heads-up here and will take this up with my therapist.