Conquer Club

It started when Biden apparently didn't recognize UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and shoved him out of the way to salute the white guy standing behind him. Apparently Biden thought Sunak was the valet or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czKroauDO7U

Then ...

Biden was paying tribute Wednesday to his cousin, Rob Kearney, a rugby player whose Irish squad defeated the dominant All Blacks team of New Zealand in 2016. But he instead referred to "Black and Tans," the pejorative name given to British police recruits assigned to fight the Irish Republican Army in the 1920s.

"He was a hell of a rugby player, and he beat the hell out of the Black and Tans," Biden said near the end of remarks at The Windsor Bar and Restaurant in Dundalk, Ireland.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/202 ... 650836002/

Next ...

Police in Northern Ireland informed the U.S. Secret Service on Wednesday of local media reports saying a document related to President Joe Biden’s trip to Belfast was found on a city street.

"The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed the Secret Service of media reports regarding a potentially sensitive document, which may contain law-enforcement material," Anthony Guglielmi, a Secret Service spokesperson, said in a statement.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... -rcna79424

Biden capped it off by going to a pub and loudly asking "where are all the Black people?"

Then, as fast as he'd arrived, he flew off into the sunset ...

From an Irish perspective he has been very welcome here and the trip is seen as a great success. If you knew Irish history you would know any reference to beating the Black & Tans is always welcome.

JPcelticfc wrote:If you knew Irish history you would know any reference to beating the Black & Tans is always welcome.

He doesn't half smack of a guy who thinks sending money to the PIRA is a romantic cause though.

JPcelticfc wrote:From an Irish perspective he has been very welcome here and the trip is seen as a great success. If you knew Irish history you would know any reference to beating the Black & Tans is always welcome.

ralph has shown very little knowledge of Irish history, specifically, and history, in General.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238217

jusplay4fun wrote:

JPcelticfc wrote:From an Irish perspective he has been very welcome here and the trip is seen as a great success. If you knew Irish history you would know any reference to beating the Black & Tans is always welcome.

ralph has shown very little knowledge of Irish history, specifically, and history, in General.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238217

Is that the thread where you claimed Protestants aren't proper Irish?

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bigtoughralf wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

JPcelticfc wrote:From an Irish perspective he has been very welcome here and the trip is seen as a great success. If you knew Irish history you would know any reference to beating the Black & Tans is always welcome.

ralph has shown very little knowledge of Irish history, specifically, and history, in General.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238217

Is that the thread where you claimed Protestants aren't proper Irish?

No, it is the thread where you confused two white Irish guys, Bobby Sands and Brian Boru.

And Protestants were sent to Ireland from Scotland to weaken the Irish Catholic majority in the North of Ireland. I posted that information there and it appears that ralph ignored that information. Typical of ralph; he ignores ideas and facts contrary to his worldview and biases.

I read that the Mormons have been in Ireland even longer than the Catholics. They arrived shortly after Magellan discovered Ireland, apparently.

Magellan was Irish himself. It should really be spelled Mac Ellen.

saxitoxin wrote:I read that the Mormons have been in Ireland even longer than the Catholics. They arrived shortly after Magellan discovered Ireland, apparently.

Is there anywhere those Mormons haven't been??

jusplay4fun wrote:

JPcelticfc wrote:From an Irish perspective he has been very welcome here and the trip is seen as a great success. If you knew Irish history you would know any reference to beating the Black & Tans is always welcome.

ralph has shown very little knowledge of Irish history, specifically, and history, in General.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238217

I lost a few brain cells reading that thread.

There is no doubt Irish protestants are properly Irish, they have been here since 1600s though many of them would argue that they are not. There is also no doubt that the orange order is a sectarian organisation that played a key role in the oppresion ofcatholics. Their bigorty was examplied last year when they were caught singing and celebrating the death of a famous GAA manager's daughter. She was murdered while on honeymoon in Mauritius in 2010. A video from the within the orange hall caught them dancing and laughing while singing the horrible chant.

If one tasteless song is enough to make someone a cruel oppressor then I guess the Irish women's football team are all provos.

bigtoughralf wrote:If one tasteless song is enough to make someone a cruel oppressor then I guess the Irish women's football team are all provos.

The key word in my comment was exemplified. If you know anything about them you would know the orange order are a sectarian organisation. Catholics are not allowed to join them. That's not to say every person in the orange order is sectarian, many of them are decent people. Failure to understand or admit this would show how much someone would have to bring to any discussion about them.

In my defense I never said they weren't sectarian. I just (in that other thread) said they were originally set up with the stated aim of protection rather than aggression, which is a factually correct statement.

I'm not really interested in defending the drum bangers, they're as bad as the up the ra brigade.

JPCeltic…You must understand BTR has his own world view which does not often match that of reality.

He’s fairly knowledgeable with some of his facts…. but the interpretation is heavily filtered through a few bias filters…

1) Primarily love for all things China / Chinese Communist Party
Like his Masters in the Party, he makes no real distinction between Chinese People and the Party. He basically sees them as one-and-the-same… and like the party he would willing sacrifice a few million Chinese souls for the good of the Party. To him that’s like you of me using your arm to defend against a knife being swung at your face. A reasonable sacrifice and one all Chinese should be willing to make.

2) Anti-USA Filter
This filter is always turned up to 10. Basically in his world-view if something is good for America/Americans is MUST by definition be bad.

3) He’s got this weird anti-Irish (and specifically Irish Catholic) fetish as evidenced by his Pro-Orangemen stance and his unwillingness to accept their history of violence. This is very amusing give his Avatar picture.

Yeah their “stated aim” was protection. Sure. Here’s how the original meeting went.
Guy One: “Hey these catholics suck, let’s go beat some up and get them out of our neighborhood.”
Guy Two: “I don’t know, that sounds aggressive, I just want to protect my family.”
Guy Three: “OK… let’s go protect your family by beating up some Catholics!”
Guy One: “Yeah that’a the ticket… we’re a Protection Society. We only proactively beat up Catholics to protect ourselves.”
Guy Two: “OK, that makes sense to me… I’m glad to be party of a Protection Society.”

Neither and Both sides of conflict in Northern Ireland were set up for “protection”. You can’t determine who threw the first punch at some frat beef last week… how can you claim ultimate knowledge of who “started it” back then? Even England can claim they only originally set up shop in Ireland as a way to protect their people on the west coast… as the Irish were raiders and pirates and Ireland was used as a base for Viking Raiders as well.

Whereas jim, on the other hand, prefers to argue with strawmen. I think he finds that easier because he generally tends to pick topics he knows very little about (Chinese politics, Irish history, US common law etc) and arguing about those with real people is harder because they usually know more than him.

Case in point, fact check: England's original invasions of Ireland were all to do with England's political relationship with the rest of Europe. The very first invasion was an attempt to reform the Irish church on behalf of Rome, as England was on Rome's naughty step after Thomas Beckett's murder and seeking to redeem itself, then later once England had left the Roman church the subsequent invasions and annexations were to prevent Ireland being used as a launch pad for a continental invasion of England. Nothing to do with 'Irish raiders and pirates' (lol).

bigtoughralf wrote:Whereas jim, on the other hand, prefers to argue with strawmen. I think he finds that easier because he generally tends to pick topics he knows very little about (Chinese politics, Irish history, US common law etc) and arguing about those with real people is harder because they usually know more than him.

Case in point, fact check: England's original invasions of Ireland were all to do with England's political relationship with the rest of Europe. The very first invasion was an attempt to reform the Irish church on behalf of Rome, as England was on Rome's naughty step after Thomas Beckett's murder and seeking to redeem itself, then later once England had left the Roman church the subsequent invasions and annexations were to prevent Ireland being used as a launch pad for a continental invasion of England. Nothing to do with 'Irish raiders and pirates' (lol).

Yes.

I’m not claiming that raiders was the actual cause.

Duh.

You definitely love to take a couple sentences out of context and spin them mean something that wasn’t addressed.

My point on the raiders is that you can always you back and find “cause” and argue “chicken and egg” fashion over who started it.

Why would England fear Ireland being used as a launching pad for a continental invasion of England? Maybe because it had been used as a staging area previously by Vikings and so there was a precedent? The idea of Europeans transporting troops, material, etc. to Ireland then invading seems to make little sense to me. This was a pretext for England to invade because they wanted to invade. Period.

jimboston wrote:The idea of Europeans transporting troops, material, etc. to Ireland then invading seems to make little sense to me..

I thought you were our resident expert on Irish history? Spain landed troops in Ireland numerous times in an attempt to use it as a stepping stone to invade England.

Does the idea of the US transporting troops to Vietnam also make little sense to you?

bigtoughralf wrote:

jimboston wrote:The idea of Europeans transporting troops, material, etc. to Ireland then invading seems to make little sense to me..

I thought you were our resident expert on Irish history? Spain landed troops in Ireland numerous times in an attempt to use it as a stepping stone to invade England.

Does the idea of the US transporting troops to Vietnam also make little sense to you?

Was Spain every successful in launching such an attack?

Modern troop movement is a different universe… but I guess technology doesn’t matter in warfare?

England had been invading Ireland way way before the split from Catholicism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Nor ... of_Ireland

https://www.irishpost.com/news/a-covete ... ied-104171

jimboston wrote:

bigtoughralf wrote:

jimboston wrote:The idea of Europeans transporting troops, material, etc. to Ireland then invading seems to make little sense to me..

I thought you were our resident expert on Irish history? Spain landed troops in Ireland numerous times in an attempt to use it as a stepping stone to invade England.

Was Spain every successful in launching such an attack?

jim: England invaded Ireland to stop Irish raiders attacking England
jim: England was pretending to be afraid continental Europeans might invade via Ireland, but that could never happen and really England were worried because of previous Irish raids
jim: Okay Europeans did use Ireland for exactly that reason, but they weren't successful

You're almost there. One more Wikipedia article and you might be ready to admit that you were wrong.

England had been invading Ireland way way before the split from Catholicism

I know. I said just as much in this post: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239421&p=5281782#p5281770

Are we going to yet again do this thing where you spend 3 pages telling me I think things that I'm explicitly saying I don't think?

What’s your point and what’s this got to do with the Orangemen being a terrorists organization?

And there we have the final stage of Jim: withdraw your original comment and pretend you never wanted to discuss it in the first place.

bigtoughralf wrote:And there we have the final stage of Jim: withdraw your original comment and pretend you never wanted to discuss it in the first place.

No… how I got involved in this thread was due to your inability/unwillingness to acknowledge the Orangemen as a terrorist/partisan group.

How or why England began to involve itself in Ireland is a secondary question and not the main point.

Oh right, you came here to tell me off for the pro-Orangeman stance I took earlier in this thread, in the post where I said I disapproved of the Orangemen. The other stage of jim:

So when I asked:

Are we going to yet again do this thing where you spend 3 pages telling me I think things that I'm explicitly saying I don't think?

The answer you were looking for was 'yes'.

You make no sense…