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The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 10:10 amby Lonous
The introduction of tanks towards the end of WW1 to breach the entrenched lines heralded the age of mobile fortresses.
The military planners embraced this strategy all nations that wished to be prominent came up with their own versions of tanks.
WW2 came about and tanks were in the forefront of plans devised by generals, both for offensive and defensive strategy.
Air power wasn't quite devastating enough yet to become its own entity, and was used primarily to support large offensives or to destroy industry and infrastructure.
Tanks were at the forefront of grand battles, and the frontlines were pushed forth with armored divisions.
After WW2 with the cold war in full effect, the U.S. and USSR churned out tens of thousands of tanks to stare down each other across the iron curtain.
The Persian Gulf was when the U.S. liberated Kuwait from Iraqi forces, really highlighted the weakness of tanks to attacks from the air.
A-10 warthogs and Apache helicopters destroyed thousands of Iraqi tanks in a matter of days.
But while incredibly effective, aircraft was still expensive and allergic to anti aircraft fire.
Plus all the main powers had manufactured massive armies of tanks. They have been reluctant to declare them obsolete and phase them out.
They will come to an end in the very near future.
The age of the drone is here.
They are so ridiculously cheap and effective, it is not possible to pretend otherwise any longer.
Ukraine and Gaza have turned into research laboratories for military strategists.
Using up large quantities of military surplus that has been laying around, the brass is watching closely what works, what doesn't, and how quickly and cheaply old hardware gets destroyed.
Even at a ratio of needing 100 drones to take out a top tier tank, the cost effectiveness of the drones is many times better than the tanks.
The sun is going down on armor.
What I would expect to see in the next decade or two, will be some form of armored vehicle that acts like an aircraft carrier for drones.
A high tech command pod on wheels/tracks that can launch and control a fleet of drones.
The age of the drone is here.
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 10:39 amby Votanic
War might no longer need dead soldiers, ...but it will always need dead civilians.
Besides, the distinction between military and civilian has always been arbitrary, subjective, classist, and often sexist.
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:01 amby HitRed
https://krovfm.com/military-city-usas-finest/France awards American veteran the Legion of Honour medal today.
Consul General Valérie Barbaran will bestow the medal to Mr. Mullin on behalf of the President of France in recognition of his heroism as part of the American liberation of France and victory over Nazi Germany during World War II.
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:07 amby Votanic
HitRed wrote:https://krovfm.com/military-city-usas-finest/
France awards American veteran the Legion of Honour medal today.
Consul General Valérie Barbaran will bestow the medal to Mr. Mullin on behalf of the President of France in recognition of his heroism as part of the American liberation of France and victory over Nazi Germany during World War II.
If this Mr. Mullin is not a drone, then he is irrelevant to the discussion-at-hand.
Discussion-at-grabber?
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:59 pmby Pack Rat
Votanic wrote:HitRed wrote:https://krovfm.com/military-city-usas-finest/
France awards American veteran the Legion of Honour medal today.
Consul General Valérie Barbaran will bestow the medal to Mr. Mullin on behalf of the President of France in recognition of his heroism as part of the American liberation of France and victory over Nazi Germany during World War II.
If this Mr. Mullin is not a drone, then he is irrelevant to the discussion-at-hand.
Discussion-at-grabber?
There is something wrong with you Votanic...
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:04 pmby Dukasaur
Lonous wrote:The introduction of tanks towards the end of WW1 to breach the entrenched lines heralded the age of mobile fortresses.
The military planners embraced this strategy all nations that wished to be prominent came up with their own versions of tanks.
WW2 came about and tanks were in the forefront of plans devised by generals, both for offensive and defensive strategy.
Air power wasn't quite devastating enough yet to become its own entity, and was used primarily to support large offensives or to destroy industry and infrastructure.
Tanks were at the forefront of grand battles, and the frontlines were pushed forth with armored divisions.
After WW2 with the cold war in full effect, the U.S. and USSR churned out tens of thousands of tanks to stare down each other across the iron curtain.
The Persian Gulf was when the U.S. liberated Kuwait from Iraqi forces, really highlighted the weakness of tanks to attacks from the air.
A-10 warthogs and Apache helicopters destroyed thousands of Iraqi tanks in a matter of days.
But while incredibly effective, aircraft was still expensive and allergic to anti aircraft fire.
Plus all the main powers had manufactured massive armies of tanks. They have been reluctant to declare them obsolete and phase them out.
They will come to an end in the very near future.
The age of the drone is here.
They are so ridiculously cheap and effective, it is not possible to pretend otherwise any longer.
Ukraine and Gaza have turned into research laboratories for military strategists.
Using up large quantities of military surplus that has been laying around, the brass is watching closely what works, what doesn't, and how quickly and cheaply old hardware gets destroyed.
Even at a ratio of needing 100 drones to take out a top tier tank, the cost effectiveness of the drones is many times better than the tanks.
The sun is going down on armor.
What I would expect to see in the next decade or two, will be some form of armored vehicle that acts like an aircraft carrier for drones.
A high tech command pod on wheels/tracks that can launch and control a fleet of drones.
The age of the drone is here.
Yeah, can't disagree with any of this.
But I would go one step further.
I think the next great battleground is cyberspace.
Silencing and confusing the drone armies through better command of cyberspace.
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:28 pmby Votanic
Germs, viruses, poisons, nukes (and other forms of explosion and environmental destruction), have not seen their last day.
You can count on that.
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:37 pmby HitRed
Drone Carrier 2034
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:07 pmby jusplay4fun
Dukasaur wrote:Lonous wrote:They will come to an end in the very near future.
The age of the drone is here.
They are so ridiculously cheap and effective, it is not possible to pretend otherwise any longer.
Ukraine and Gaza have turned into research laboratories for military strategists.
Using up large quantities of military surplus that has been laying around, the brass is watching closely what works, what doesn't, and how quickly and cheaply old hardware gets destroyed.
Even at a ratio of needing 100 drones to take out a top tier tank, the cost effectiveness of the drones is many times better than the tanks.
The sun is going down on armor.
What I would expect to see in the next decade or two, will be some form of armored vehicle that acts like an aircraft carrier for drones.
A high tech command pod on wheels/tracks that can launch and control a fleet of drones.
The age of the drone is here.
Yeah, can't disagree with any of this.
But I would go one step further.
I think the next great battleground is cyberspace.
Silencing and confusing the drone armies through better command of cyberspace.
This ALL makes sense, when a relatively cheap piece of equipment, with few humans at stake, would make sense to use in warfare. BUT since it is so easy to destroy (compared to the efforts to BUILD; I can watch my 2 very young grandsons to witness this), THEN investments and research in drone technologies and the ways to control and defeat them are certainly the next wave of warfare.
Science fiction has explored SOME of these possibilities already; a scene or two out of Star Wars movies come immediately to mind. (I saw a scene from the movie "The Empire Strikes Back" in the past hour.)
Other ways to destroy and kill are not yet obsolete, however; swords, arrows, knives, and guns still kill.
Re: The end of a military era
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Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:30 pmby HitRed
To be clear, Ukraine is doing fancy things every day: hitting airfields, depots, navy vessels, bridges, AVs and oil facilities, but the Russians are taking ground every day with soldiers and conscripts. In my way of thinking gaining land is winning.
We’ll see.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 5:13 amby Votanic
Drones and other uses of robotics are just tools.
So now robots, often flying but not necessarily, carrying exposives, cameras, perhaps guns and other more usual payloads.
One of the prime benefits is reduction of loss of combatant human life, primarily offensive, though there can/will be drones of a primarily defensive nature (i.e. anti-drone drones).
However, war/conflict drone uses are still military actions. The title of this thread (The end of a military era) is just incorrect. Perhaps a form of clickbait?
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:13 amby HitRed
I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:22 amby Votanic
HitRed wrote:I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Stupid people will say stupid things, ...until reality knocks them in the side of the head.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:48 amby Pack Rat
HitRed wrote:I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Maybe you need to refresh our memory on who said this. MAGA cult followers are learning how to exaggerate and lie with confidence from their bigly leader.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:23 amby HitRed
Pack Rat wrote:HitRed wrote:I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Maybe you need to refresh our memory on who said this. MAGA cult followers are learning how to exaggerate and lie with confidence from their bigly leader.
Is that why all the blue cities defunded the police?
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:24 amby HitRed
Pack Rat wrote:HitRed wrote:I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Maybe you need to refresh our memory on who said this. MAGA cult followers are learning how to exaggerate and lie with confidence from their bigly leader.
Is that why the blue cities councils defunded the police?
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:53 amby Votanic
HitRed wrote:Pack Rat wrote:HitRed wrote:I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Maybe you need to refresh our memory on who said this. MAGA cult followers are learning how to exaggerate and lie with confidence from their bigly leader.
Is that why the blue cities councils defunded the police?
Wait?! Is pee-rat trying to pin 'defund the police' on Trump?!
Enough of your BS, rat. INSTEAD, just try to deal with the fact that the Dems have so little integrity that they will literally vote for (or replace, ...or keep in) anything resembling a candidate, ....just as long as it might help them avoid facing their own paranoid Trumphobia.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:54 amby Pack Rat
HitRed wrote:Pack Rat wrote:HitRed wrote:I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Maybe you need to refresh our memory on who said this. MAGA cult followers are learning how to exaggerate and lie with confidence from their bigly leader.
Is that why all the blue cities defunded the police?
Major Blue Cities are seeing a decline in crimes, duh.
https://www.tsiglerlaw.com/new-york-sta ... ior%20year.
What major cities are defunding the police?
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:08 amby Lonous
Serious crime spiked again last year to levels unseen in nearly two decades, according to internal NYPD data obtained by The Post — even as Mayor Eric Adams has repeatedly claimed that “crime is down” in the Big Apple.
Published April 3, 2024 https://nypost.com/2024/04/03/us-news/c ... -disorder/
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:16 amby HitRed
Pack Rat wrote:HitRed wrote:Pack Rat wrote:HitRed wrote:I recall a few years ago people hinting we would never need cops again.
Maybe you need to refresh our memory on who said this. MAGA cult followers are learning how to exaggerate and lie with confidence from their bigly leader.
Is that why all the blue cities defunded the police?
Major Blue Cities are seeing a decline in crimes, duh.
https://www.tsiglerlaw.com/new-york-sta ... ior%20year.
What major cities are defunding the police?
Catch and release. DAs don’t prosecute. Defunded police. Laws changed so only thefts over $900 are considered a crime.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:00 amby Pack Rat
Lonous wrote:Serious crime spiked again last year to levels unseen in nearly two decades, according to internal NYPD data obtained by The Post — even as Mayor Eric Adams has repeatedly claimed that “crime is down” in the Big Apple.
Published April 3, 2024 https://nypost.com/2024/04/03/us-news/c ... -disorder/
New York Post, hmmm...you might want to get more reliable news from the Enquirer, lol.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:22 amby jusplay4fun
Pack Rat wrote:Lonous wrote:Serious crime spiked again last year to levels unseen in nearly two decades, according to internal NYPD data obtained by The Post — even as Mayor Eric Adams has repeatedly claimed that “crime is down” in the Big Apple.
Published April 3, 2024 https://nypost.com/2024/04/03/us-news/c ... -disorder/
New York Post, hmmm...you might want to get more reliable news from the Enquirer, lol.
Said by the guy who almost NEVER posts ANY sources. I suppose you want us to take YOUR word for any such allegations you make, p-rat? Well done, p-rat; keep up the good work.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 1:18 pmby Pack Rat
Go away jusplay4MAGA, your replies are monotonous and predictable. Are you bored pulling the wings off flies?
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:24 pmby jusplay4fun
What another pitiful response by p-rat.
NOTHING NEW nere; nothing else needs to be said here about him.
Re: The end of a military era
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Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:50 pmby Pack Rat
jusplay4fun wrote:What another pitiful response by p-rat.
NOTHING NEW nere; nothing else needs to be said here about him.
Yet, you continue to follow me around like a lost puppy. If you have nothing to say to me, then ignore me...simple as that.