First of all, the poll is absolute bullshit now. I won't post either of the PMs that I received in the public thread, as I believe it's against the rules somewhere, but I have now received two PMs sent out by tournament organizers that smear Bones and encourage players to come to the thread and fight with Bones or vote against Bones in the poll. I somehow suspect that these people PMing us are breaking the rules as well, and at the very least it is disrespectful and pitiful.
This is
not about HighlanderAttack, b00060, Blitzaholic, or
anyone else running poor tournaments. It is not about that now, and it wasn't at the beginning. If you read the whole thread, you can note that Bones never named names until others brought it up (myself being one of them - and I apologize for that now). Even then, Bones only pointed out that there are too many tournaments being posted
at a time in the
Create/Join a Tournament forum. Nobody here has attacked anyone's ability to actually run a tournament, simply that there are too many tournaments flooding the forums at once.
This is
not about whether or not Bones has run a tournament. I have no idea why anyone started attacking Bones for his
opinions, but his opinions from the point of a tournament player are entirely valid. This has nothing to do with anyone's ability to run a tournament. I would be quite happy to see anyone run hundreds of tournaments at once as long as they can run each one effectively and efficiently. However,
I do agree with Bones on the core issue here.
If you look at the Create/Join a Tournament forum, some organizers (including HA, b00060, and Blitzy, as well as others) often create many tournaments at once. While this is a fine practice for those of us players that join all of the tournaments posted, it does not work for those who want to be more selective. It dilutes the pool of players joining the similar tournaments by the same organizer, as well as pushing the other tournaments out of the way, sometimes onto the second page.
Everyone seems to keep overlooking barterer's posts, but he has the best statement of anyone in the whole thread:
barterer2002 wrote:Really I think what we're doing here is establish some etiquette for the TO forums. When you go play golf there is an etiquette that is generally followed. You don't drive into the group ahead of you, you don't talk during someones backswing. You don't walk between a ball and the hole on the green. When we go to a restaurant there is etiquette, we don't stand on the tables, we don't start shouting at people across the restaurant, we don't wash our hands in our water glasses. All of these things are things that we do not because there are rules in place, not because we can't do it, after all, we're the paying customer on either a golf course or at a restaurant, but because we function together as a society through etiquette.
What we're trying to do here is establish what is the etiquette going forward for tournaments. Part of that is understanding how that etiquette is communicated. How do we know not to dance on the table at a restaurant-because someone taught us, how do we know not to talk during a backswing-because someone taught us. In CC we don't have a mentor system for new tournament creation and I'm not suggesting that we should but maybe we should have a posting of etiquette to read where things like number of games in the Create/Join forum can be listed-whatever is decided.
Remember, we all have to live here and we're all volunteers, it behooves us to have some thoughts on how to get together to think not only of the tournament players but also of our fellow TOs. I also believe that what is past is past and that what we're discussing is how to handle things in the future.
It truly is all about etiquette in respect to your fellow organizers
AND to the players. However, when the etiquette guidelines are not being followed, the best course of action is to implement rules.
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