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jonesthecurl wrote:It's twenty years or more since I read the Ronald Story book, more since I read any Von D.
I've read 2-3,000 books since, sorry I can't quote them all.
I didn't watch the video, I don't have sound (broken computer) - but it does start by saying it's based on Von D's "novels", so there's probably just less detail, and perhaps some of the more ludicrous suggestins would be dropped.

"I've read 2-3,000 books"

Wow, that's quite a range. My guess would be somewhere around 3 or 4.

"so there's probably just less detail, and perhaps some of the more ludicrous suggestins would be dropped."

If you are right, then I'd prefer the video.

You should get sound for your computer. I think there are USB solutions out there, if your onboard sound doesn't work and you are out of expansion slots.
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You're right about the sound, wrong about the books.
Though most of them aren't all that "worthy".

Oh, and that was 2-3000 books since then. The total number is far higher.
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TheProwler wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:It's twenty years or more since I read the Ronald Story book, more since I read any Von D.
I've read 2-3,000 books since, sorry I can't quote them all.
I didn't watch the video, I don't have sound (broken computer) - but it does start by saying it's based on Von D's "novels", so there's probably just less detail, and perhaps some of the more ludicrous suggestins would be dropped.

"I've read 2-3,000 books"

Wow, that's quite a range. My guess would be somewhere around 3 or 4.


There's something about watching a moron insult someone of obvious superior intelligence that's like listening to fingernails scraping on a chalkboard. Why do you question how many books he's read? I find his posts interesting and informative, and i find yours inane, repetitive, and indicative of an extreme case of insecurity grossly compounded by chronic diarrhea of the mouth. Is this what we're in for now that Flame Wars is gone? Lucky us.


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And I'm sorry Prowler that you find the fitting-rocks-by-grinding idea "unlikely". Obviously you are much better postioned to have an opinion on the subject than the world's archaeology professors. I mean, you've read a book (or did you just watch the video?)

Skip the archeologists .. just try talking to any common masonary worker!

Anyway, if evidence and reasoning were enough to dissuade conspiracy theorists , we would never have heard 90% of these theories.

Haha! Yeah, because any common masonary worker has a lot of experience with 180000 pound stones. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Let me spell it out for you. Its called scale.

I, myself, alone, can move (not lift... that was not the assertion) over 800 pounds.
(that's a very LOW estimate ... Actually, with cables and pulleys I have moved 15,000 pounds, but I don't know that the Egyptions had those systems yet). So can just about anyone of reasonable strength who knows what they are doing. Two people can move over 1500 pounds (notice I did not quite double... that is intentional)... etc. The limit is the ability of rollers, other materials. In this case, you can bust the rollers... you put in new ones, they still work.

Anyway, you get enough people and yes, quite simply it IS possible to move those.

Anyway... we DO have even more living proof.. proof in ship builders, proof in the way castles were built, etc. Again, all it takes is scale.

And .. that is where my 2 year old ocomes in. You see, what works for him, with blocks, works for big people, with rocks. If my two year old can figure out that a pyramid structure is easy and stable ... so can primative people.


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I'm a little pressed for time at the moment, but I thought I'd add a little fuel to the fire anyways.

Meet Wally Wallington.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0
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Fascinating. i still don't have sound, but was he grinding the stones together to make them fit perfectly(among other things)? that's what it looked like.
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I didn't notice any raggedy scars in the earth's crust either. Imagine that.


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Mind you I know that if I did what he did, I'd drop the effin thing on my foot. It took me two weeks to put up a basketball hoop for the curlson.
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b.k. barunt wrote:
TheProwler wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:It's twenty years or more since I read the Ronald Story book, more since I read any Von D.
I've read 2-3,000 books since, sorry I can't quote them all.
I didn't watch the video, I don't have sound (broken computer) - but it does start by saying it's based on Von D's "novels", so there's probably just less detail, and perhaps some of the more ludicrous suggestins would be dropped.

"I've read 2-3,000 books"

Wow, that's quite a range. My guess would be somewhere around 3 or 4.


There's something about watching a moron insult someone of obvious superior intelligence that's like listening to fingernails scraping on a chalkboard. Why do you question how many books he's read? I find his posts interesting and informative, and i find yours inane, repetitive, and indicative of an extreme case of insecurity grossly compounded by chronic diarrhea of the mouth. Is this what we're in for now that Flame Wars is gone? Lucky us.

Haha!! I'm being stalked again!! Try to stay on topic BK.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
TheProwler wrote:
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jonesthecurl wrote:
And I'm sorry Prowler that you find the fitting-rocks-by-grinding idea "unlikely". Obviously you are much better postioned to have an opinion on the subject than the world's archaeology professors. I mean, you've read a book (or did you just watch the video?)

Skip the archeologists .. just try talking to any common masonary worker!

Anyway, if evidence and reasoning were enough to dissuade conspiracy theorists , we would never have heard 90% of these theories.

Haha! Yeah, because any common masonary worker has a lot of experience with 180000 pound stones. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Let me spell it out for you. Its called scale.

I, myself, alone, can move (not lift... that was not the assertion) over 800 pounds.
(that's a very LOW estimate ... Actually, with cables and pulleys I have moved 15,000 pounds, but I don't know that the Egyptions had those systems yet). So can just about anyone of reasonable strength who knows what they are doing. Two people can move over 1500 pounds (notice I did not quite double... that is intentional)... etc. The limit is the ability of rollers, other materials. In this case, you can bust the rollers... you put in new ones, they still work.

Anyway, you get enough people and yes, quite simply it IS possible to move those.

Anyway... we DO have even more living proof.. proof in ship builders, proof in the way castles were built, etc. Again, all it takes is scale.

And .. that is where my 2 year old ocomes in. You see, what works for him, with blocks, works for big people, with rocks. If my two year old can figure out that a pyramid structure is easy and stable ... so can primative people.


TheProwler wrote:Ignorance is bliss.

Well, you would know about that.

Haha! Why don't you just admit that your "just try talking to any common masonary worker!" statement was a stupid thing to say?

Cables and pulleys! Haha!! Yeah, because ancient Egyptians has all that extra steel cable laying around. Hahaha!!
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steel? why not rope?
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flabio wrote:I'm a little pressed for time at the moment, but I thought I'd add a little fuel to the fire anyways.

Meet Wally Wallington.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0

Cool hobby.

There are a couple of problems using that technique in practical ways. Did you notice that he was always moving the perfectly shaped "stones" (actually concrete) across a very smooth, poured concrete pad? If he tried using this technique across dirt and other natural terrain, he would run into problems.

How's he going to get the big stones across the top?

BK, he didn't drag the stones. Did you not understand what he was doing? Haha! You really are lost, aren't you?

Hey BK, where are those hieroglyphics you promised?

Does anyone have any ideas about the reasons the ancient people worshiped these "gods from space"? Or is that too much to think about right now? Sumerian to Christian beliefs...? Anything?
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Sumerians and Hebrews: take a look at a map. it's hardly startling.
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TheProwler wrote:Cables and pulleys! Haha!! Yeah, because ancient Egyptians has all that extra steel cable laying around. Hahaha!!


Which is why that part was an aside, in parenthesis, and further clarified with the statement .. but I don't think Egyptians had those sytems yet.

Or are you trying to claim they don't have rope or things to use as levers or ramps or rollers ... because, well... I think you had best stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.
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TheProwler wrote:Does anyone have any ideas about the reasons the ancient people worshiped these "gods from space"? Or is that too much to think about right now? Sumerian to Christian beliefs...? Anything?

Per Sumarien and Christian beliefs, groups influence each other without becoming identical. One reason America differs from Europe is the influence of Native Americans. Canada and the US are similar (though NOT the same) because we are near neighbors and have similar beginnings. Mexico began differently and has a quite different culture as a result. No big mystery there!

As for the "gods from space"... there are many explanations. Many reports of "visitors" from outer space today have marked similarities to visits from angels in the past. While I would argue angels really do exist, that does not mean ALL reports of them are valid. It is clear that at least some of the reports are the result of hallucinations and the like. It does not take a huge imagination to see connections.

If there truly are things like angels or even visitors from outer space ... then certainly some people might have worshipped them as gods.


More often than not, the simplest explanations are really the true ones... but they just are not as much fun as talk of huge conspiracies and the like.
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jonesthecurl wrote:Sumerians and Hebrews: take a look at a map. it's hardly startling.

Haha! And...? There is a little more to discuss....I'm surprised that I have to lead the conversation so much...someone like you that reads so much would be the type to seek the truth I would have thought...

And....it obvious that The Old Testament was derived from much of the Sumerian teachings.

And the Sumerian teachings talked about the gods from the sky.

The drew pictures of spacecraft.

The described liftoffs and flying.

And these gods in the sky are who/what they worshiped.

The Old Testament is derived from Sumerian beliefs.

So it would follow that God is actually these gods from outer space.


I would have thought that this would be kinda interesting to people seeking enlightenment.
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TheProwler wrote:Cables and pulleys! Haha!! Yeah, because ancient Egyptians has all that extra steel cable laying around. Hahaha!!


Which is why that part was an aside, in parenthesis, and further clarified with the statement .. but I don't think Egyptians had those sytems yet.

Or are you trying to claim they don't have rope or things to use as levers or ramps or rollers ... because, well... I think you had best stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

I am not "suggesting" anything. I am making fun of the suggestion that they could use cables.

I was being very straight forward and presenting facts and asking compelling questions. Nobody else seems to be able to follow suit and be straight forward too.

I've asked about ten times for people to provide evidence. But the only person able to do that consistently so far has been flabio.

Again, you focus on arguing instead of efficiently discussing.

Lose the fear. Lose the preconceived ideas. Lose the chip on your shoulder. Gain the ability to say what you mean with supporting evidence. And then maybe we can talk.
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TheProwler wrote:
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TheProwler wrote:Cables and pulleys! Haha!! Yeah, because ancient Egyptians has all that extra steel cable laying around. Hahaha!!


Which is why that part was an aside, in parenthesis, and further clarified with the statement .. but I don't think Egyptians had those sytems yet.

Or are you trying to claim they don't have rope or things to use as levers or ramps or rollers ... because, well... I think you had best stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

I am not "suggesting" anything. I am making fun of the suggestion that they could use cables.

I was being very straight forward and presenting facts and asking compelling questions. Nobody else seems to be able to follow suit and be straight forward too.

I've asked about ten times for people to provide evidence. But the only person able to do that consistently so far has been flabio.

Again, you focus on arguing instead of efficiently discussing.

Lose the fear. Lose the preconceived ideas. Lose the chip on your shoulder. Gain the ability to say what you mean with supporting evidence. And then maybe we can talk.

Try reading, and considering long enough to actually understand what you read, before you respond.
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Summary of the thread so far:

Prowler watches a short film.
"Aha!", he thinks, "Maybe this invalidates all the professionsl historians, archaeologist, and paleontologist of the last few centuries. I'll tell that to a random bunch of boardgamers in the internet."
Said boardgamers disgree, and say why (possibly one or two mutter about Illuminati, or say "shoulda hadda gun").
"But I've seen a video" says Prowler "and I can't be bothered to read any books or do any googling on the subject. Unless you can bring all the books to my house with the appropriate passages underlined for easy reference, I'll continue to listen to this short film by gullible people based on the works of a convicted fraud."

Wassamatta CC? Can't you keep an open mind?
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jonesthecurl wrote:Summary of the thread so far:

Prowler watches a short film.
"Aha!", he thinks, "Maybe this invalidates all the professionsl historians, archaeologist, and paleontologist of the last few centuries. I'll tell that to a random bunch of boardgamers in the internet."
Said boardgamers disgree, and say why (possibly one or two mutter about Illuminati, or say "shoulda hadda gun").
"But I've seen a video" says Prowler "and I can't be bothered to read any books or do any googling on the subject. Unless you can bring all the books to my house with the appropriate passages underlined for easy reference, I'll continue to listen to this short film by gullible people based on the works of a convicted fraud."

Wassamatta CC? Can't you keep an open mind?

Nice summary!
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But very inaccurate.

I have been aware of the escalating possibilities of a global disaster for some time. Whether it is a polar shift, a blast of plasma rays, a major collision with an asteroid, or a combination of these things. This is mainly due to our solar system's fluctuating position on the plane of the gravitation/magnetic field of the black hole in the centre of our galaxy. We are entering an area with very high gravitation and magnetic pull and increased free moving asteroid activity. This has all been scientifically proven in recent years.

I am also aware of the theories of Planet X (Nibiru), and I think there is compelling scientific evidence that these theories could actually be right. Here is a good video on this subject: http://www.planetxvideo.com/

So I was talking about all this stuff (and more - Biblical prophesies, Mayan beliefs, etc. etc.) with my sister one day (she is also a highly educated individual - two masters degrees including one in molecular biology - she actually has a lot of scientific insight into the possibility of genetically engineering a "human" species). So she mentions that my mom read this "Chariots of the Gods" book back in the late 60's, early 70's and it was kinda funny that here we were about 40 years later talking about something similar. So I decided to look up this "Chariots of the Gods" thing. I watch a video about it. It was over an hour and a half - jones calls that a "short film" in his desperate attempt to discredit what I or it says because if it is "short", it can't have much substance. The fact is, jones, I have watched hundreds of hours of videos on these subjects and I am convinced that I have much more knowledge and understanding of the subject than you.

So I thought, "Hey maybe some of those Off Topics people will find this interesting. They might be able to put 2 and 2 together and see how much of this video meshes well with Planet X and Bible research and other interesting subjects." So I created the thread.

So do people here engage is a proper discussion with an exchange of new ideas? Nope. They essentially say "My Grade 7 teacher told me we evolved from the apes, so it must be true. You are a dummy!! Har Har!"

jones infers that I didn't do any research or provide any additions evidence. In fact, I am one of the only people who did provide any other clear research. Here are some links I posted in this thread already.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempire ... moves.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qkJUh3s7kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtWeDJ1NqtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOsuFAmt ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNKctJV07DE&NR=1

http://www.americanscientist.org/issues ... -pyramid/2

http://hubpages.com/hub/Mayan-Science-- ... t-Evidence

https://www.courses.psu.edu/anth/anth00 ... 9/pyr.html

Other than all those links provided by me, the only other two references were made by flabio with a picture of an eroded pyramid and a video of a guy in Michigan that can pivot blocks across slabs of concrete.

This is pretty much all you have contributed jones:
jonesthecurl wrote:Go read Ronald Story's The Space Gods Revealed.

Unfortunately, jones, you have yet to cite even one reference to the book yourself. That's the problem with reading a bunch of books that you don't understand. The knowledge is not retained.

So I've shown clearly here that I am the one who has done the research and provided references to outside sources. So, jones, you are either a liar or a very confused person.

Anyways, I had hoped that the people here could carry on a discussion with an exchange of thoughts and ideas. I had actually thought that I might be presented with some new insight or material related to the thread's subject. Instead, I was only presented with more insight into the minds and emotions of some of the users here in Off Topics. Closed minds being controlled by fear.

To all the sheep that are afraid of a possible reality, follow the lead of people like jones. You are unfortunately at the mercy of people like him.

To all the free-thinkers who can keep an open mind to the possibility of what the mainstream media and the governments of the world want you to think is satisfying their agenda, but might be putting you at risk, do some research.

This is a small clip from a program from the History Channel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lhs7VR52Bg
Find the whole program (I think it was between an hour and a half and two hours long). I can provide you with additional links to some very in-depth videos. Do not be fooled by people like jones who would have you believe that modern scientists have not learned anything new in the last 10 years or so. They have discovered a lot of new information - a lot of it scares people so it takes time for it to be publicized. The priority of governments is to make sure they are safe first. They will suppress the information as long as they feel it is necessary to ensure their own safety. But you need to learn at your own rate; I am going into too much depth too quickly for most people. I can provide a lot of material, but there is a risk of being overwhelmed. And then your subconscious defense mechanism can cause you to basically close your mind to these thoughts that "put you in danger" and you will start to question the validity of very logical and scientific facts. So move at your own speed and don't get overwhelmed.
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Quick synopsis of the above post -- jonesthecurl was correct!

.. and on that note, it has been a while since anything new has been posted. So unless there is something interesting, I think I will leave it at that.
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Please do all follow Prowler's links.
You'll find that "Nibiru" is an inhabited planet, and that it is also a brown dwarf star, that it is inhabited despite being out beyond the orbit of Pluto for most of the time. It has also collided with another planet at least once, apparently without killing its inhabitants off.
You'll find crop circles which are messages from space, and references to such intellectual notables as Edgar Cayce and Velikovsky.
You'll find stated as fact that the Nephilim are the same as the Tuatha de Danaan, and that both are gods from beyond the sky.
You'll find that the sinking of Atlantis is mentioned in the Bible.
And you'll find a nice link to a simple man's guide to what Mayan pyramids looked like.
Good hunting.
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jonesthecurl wrote:Please do all follow Prowler's links.
You'll find that "Nibiru" is an inhabited planet, and that it is also a brown dwarf star, that it is inhabited despite being out beyond the orbit of Pluto for most of the time. It has also collided with another planet at least once, apparently without killing its inhabitants off.
You'll find crop circles which are messages from space, and references to such intellectual notables as Edgar Cayce and Velikovsky.
You'll find stated as fact that the Nephilim are the same as the Tuatha de Danaan, and that both are gods from beyond the sky.
You'll find that the sinking of Atlantis is mentioned in the Bible.
And you'll find a nice link to a simple man's guide to what Mayan pyramids looked like.
Good hunting.

I do love fantastic fiction. I just might do that!
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Excellent PLAYER.

Now try to do it without preconceived ideas.

Oh, oh! Too late!!

Haha!

Anyways, let's see what brilliant things PLAYER has to say about these videos.

Try not to coach him too much jones - we know that he likes to follow you. Scared people love to huddle together. It makes them feel secure and safe.

So PLAYER, tell us what you think.

Oh, and try to be clear and concise in your statements. I've had enough of vague statements lately to last me a lifetime. Also, try not to state theories as facts. Haha!! That is something that jones has a real hard time with...
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