Conquer Club

You could remove outliers, the highest and lowest rank for each clan.

jpeter15 wrote:You could remove outliers, the highest and lowest rank for each clan.

My plan is to remove the outliers (highest and lowest votes for every clan.

Lubawski wrote:I'm all for transparency. Here's how I had it:

1 The Horseman of the Apocalypse (THOTA)
2 The Spanking Monkeys (TSM)
3 The Odd Fellows Union (TOFU)
4 Legends of War (LoW)
5 Knights of the Round Table (KORT)
6 Immortal Assassins (IA)
7 Nemesis
8 ++ The Legion ++
9 Bullet Proof Bandits (BPB)
10 Imperial Dragoons (ID)
11 Brethren of the Fat Mermaid (BotFM)
12 Angels of Death (AoD)
13 Agents of Chaos (AoC)
14 Fraternal Order of Exception Drinkers (FOED)
15 Mythology
16 Outlaws & Highwaymen (O&H)
17 Generation 1: The Clan (G1)
18 Memento Mori
19 Black Sheep Squadron (BSS)
20 Legends of the Zone (LotZ)
21 Dynasty
22 Left4Dead (L4D)
23 A Fistful of Sixes
24 De Veroveraars der Lage Landen (DVDLL)
25 Divine Domination (DD)
26 Eternal Empire (EE)
27 Imperial Britain (IB)
28 Devil's Brigade
29 Grim Reapers
30 The Last Warriors
31 Soldiers of War
32 Project Firestorm
33 Death by Comity
34 Gorgonzola Pirates
35 Hell's Messengers
36 Karma Clan

Is that the final list or your list Lubawski?

Lubawski wrote:I'm all for transparency. Here's how I had it:

1 The Horseman of the Apocalypse (THOTA)
2 The Spanking Monkeys (TSM)
3 The Odd Fellows Union (TOFU)
4 Legends of War (LoW)
5 Knights of the Round Table (KORT)
6 Immortal Assassins (IA)
7 Nemesis
8 ++ The Legion ++
9 Bullet Proof Bandits (BPB)
10 Imperial Dragoons (ID)
11 Brethren of the Fat Mermaid (BotFM)
12 Angels of Death (AoD)
13 Agents of Chaos (AoC)
14 Fraternal Order of Exception Drinkers (FOED)
15 Mythology
16 Outlaws & Highwaymen (O&H)
17 Generation 1: The Clan (G1)
18 Memento Mori
19 Black Sheep Squadron (BSS)
20 Legends of the Zone (LotZ)
21 Dynasty
22 Left4Dead (L4D)
23 A Fistful of Sixes
24 De Veroveraars der Lage Landen (DVDLL)
25 Divine Domination (DD)
26 Eternal Empire (EE)
27 Imperial Britain (IB)
28 Devil's Brigade
29 Grim Reapers
30 The Last Warriors
31 Soldiers of War
32 Project Firestorm
33 Death by Comity
34 Gorgonzola Pirates
35 Hell's Messengers
36 Karma Clan

Interesting. 4 of the 5 clans directly ranked ahead of G1 have been defeated by G1. (I'm counting FOED since those players were a majority of our opponents in the O&H War)

I had you guys sniffing at the top 10. I have a healthy respect for G1. Great group of players, on any map and any setting.

Bones2484 wrote:Interesting. 4 of the 5 clans directly ranked ahead of G1 have been defeated by G1. (I'm counting FOED since those players were a majority of our opponents in the O&H War)

He also put you ahead of DVDLL who beat you all. Would you rather be placed lower than 24?

Not trying to get you started here. Just trying to point out that other than THOTA, TSM, TOFU and a select few others who are all near the top it is nearly impossible to vote based off only who you beat because there are so many situations of Team A beat Team B but lost to Team C, but at the same time Team B beat Team C. There is no statistical way to say which one of those are better when they all split 1-1 against each other. That is the entire purpose of the voting poll. To show how you perceive everyone in these tough situations. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and that is Lubawski's.

This is also the very reason I am against anyone posting their votes publicly. I can't tell you not to do it, but I prefer not because all it does is turn into an argument between someone getting mad about someones' opinion. And if you really think about it, that is a stupid reason to argue because each person can have an opinion anyway they want.

We want the results!
We want the results!

Chuuuuck wrote:There is no statistical way to say which one of those are better when they all split 1-1 against each other.

I have to disagree with this statement for many reasons. Maybe people will take to the next ladder better in an attempt to solve part of the debate.

I will agree with Bones though, and I have noticed that AOD and G1 have always been underated in many peoples eyes.

jpcloet wrote:

Chuuuuck wrote:There is no statistical way to say which one of those are better when they all split 1-1 against each other.

I have to disagree with this statement for many reasons. Maybe people will take to the next ladder better in an attempt to solve part of the debate.

I will agree with Bones though, and I have noticed that AOD and G1 have always been underated in many peoples eyes.

AoD and G1 both rock and are solid clans imo.

Everyone sucks.

jpcloet wrote:I will agree with Bones though, and I have noticed that AOD and G1 have always been underated in many peoples eyes.

And that is why I've always argued against "perception" in any of the ladders you make. Statistical analysis based purely on results is always going to trump it.

Chuuuuck wrote:He also put you ahead of DVDLL who beat you all. Would you rather be placed lower than 24?

Sure. If you want to rank us behind a clan that beat us 11-10 over 21 games 2.5 years ago on one map when 75% of our current players weren't even in G1, including myself. That sounds much more reasonable than ranking us behind 3 clans that we beat within the past 1.5 years (and one about 2 years ago)... especially a clan that we beat handily 4 months ago that has since split in half and broken up (so you can't argue that they look to be stronger going into the future). Makes a ton of sense!

Just curious as to why results don't speak louder than hype. I'm not mad at all, it really doesn't matter. I'd much rather be underrated and overlooked than overrated.

The first post has been updated with the first ever power rankings. Thank you for everyone who participated by sending me their votes. I hope next time around we can get even more participants, hopefully all clans.

Outrageous! Preposterous! Indecent!


How could you possibly use so much yellow..

Besides flipping LoW with IA, your Top 10 is nearly perfect IMO.

the.killing.44 wrote:Besides flipping LoW with IA, your Top 10 is nearly perfect IMO.

Just a reminder so this isn't viewed the wrong way. This is not my top 10 in any way whatsoever. I had nothing to do with these rankings other than compile the data, calculate the averages, and make it look pretty.

Chuuuuck wrote:

the.killing.44 wrote:Besides flipping LoW with IA, your Top 10 is nearly perfect IMO.

Just a reminder so this isn't viewed the wrong way. This is not my top 10 in any way whatsoever. I had nothing to do with these rankings other than compile the data, calculate the averages, and make it look pretty.

Sorry if the your was misleading, you know I know it's not yours.

How could so much yellow be pretty?

Haha, I don't know. Do you prefer I remove the yellow? What color do you propose?

I like the deviation of MM and FOED.

And the rankings are good actually. Like it.

Chuuuuck wrote:Haha, I don't know. Do you prefer I remove the yellow? What color do you propose?

Use lighter variants, see my example. I learned better colour use from Marval's work.

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Thanks for organizing this, Chuuuck. Agreed with what Dako said!

I look forward to making another list in a few months.

Overall this looks quite fair.

I updated the image and changed the colors. Thanks for the suggestion jp.

I thought those deviations were interesting also. There was a big difference were some people put them. I am not sure the reason for Momento Mori but I am pretty sure the FOED deviation is because some people ranked their players coming out of O&H while other people ranked their credentials as a clan, which they really don't have any since they are so new. But overall, I am pleased with how it turned out and where they turned out to be as well.

Chuuuuck wrote:I thought those deviations were interesting also. There was a big difference were some people put them. I am not sure the reason for Momento Mori but I am pretty sure the FOED deviation is because some people ranked their players coming out of O&H while other people ranked their credentials as a clan, which they really don't have any since they are so new. But overall, I am pleased with how it turned out and where they turned out to be as well.

I almost felt like I had ranked FOED too low in my rankings, but I find it interesting that I ended up ranking them a few spots higher than their average.

The most interesting thing I see in this is the huge gap from 13 to 14 in average (over 3 full positions).

Well, this turned out to be pretty worthwhile. I don't see any clans that are way off from where they should be. Hats off to everyone for thinking hard about their votes and to Chuuuuck for doing all the work compiling the stats.

Foed and MM were the hardest to rank for me.

Foed is basically O&H who we all know as top clan so you know they are better than where you are ranking them if you rank them based on challanges and you know they have not yet proved themselves if you rank them high.

MM is another interesting clan because to be honest they have some very good players and some players who still need a lot of work. That being said as a former member of MM the good players are committed to teaching and the players who need work are committed to learning so i ranked them a little higher than where clan wars would put them.