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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:06 am
by hulmey
these people who for option c can phyiscally not see any difference between A an B and thus are voting for Qwert to continue his works without and change.
Its not that these people dont care. They are happy how things are and cant see the difference.
As Andy stated it is a favour in Qwert's favour. So A and C are counted together.
And if this Map is to be made in the ENGLISH Language the name of the place should be Kiev (like the football team Dynamo Kiev).
CIA im afraid is American...Not English.
In the case of the Map all abbreviations should be taken from the Oxford English Dictionary or the very accurate and world renowned BBC!!!!
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:06 am
by Ruben Cassar
qwert wrote:well if i can find site for citi names of USSr from 1941 then i will know what to do.
Here you go:
http://www.us.oup.com/us/brochure/0195182200/maps/019530764Xbarbarossa.jpg
Note Kiev and Odessa.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:25 am
by Teya
AndyDufresne wrote:Also, I consider a vote for option 3 essentially a 'pass vote' as was pointed out before. So by the looks of it, people would like to see the borders smoothed out.
--Andy
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:28 am
by hulmey
can u explain why u just quoted andy TEYA!!
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:47 am
by Teya
hulmey wrote:As Andy stated it is a favour in Qwert's favour. So A and C are counted together.
AndyDufresne wrote:Also, I consider a vote for option 3 essentially a 'pass vote' as was pointed out before. So by the looks of it, people would like to see the borders smoothed out.
--Andy
The way I understand what andy said is the a C vote counts towards nothing. Its just A & B that actually count. If thats the case 30 people have wasted their vote.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:16 am
by bigbullyweedave
Why don't we set up a vote to figure out what to do with option C?
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:41 am
by boberz
i believe that this is why we should of had a simpler poll with a A B, Cannot see difference options rather than the phrasing however now we have this one can somebody that voted C please tell me why just because they do not see the difference it should not be changed for the other 30+ people
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:44 am
by Nikolai
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:52 am
by AndrewB
Ruben Cassar wrote:I know the history. I know that Kyiv is Ukrainian and Kiev is from Russian using the Latin alphabet.
First of all as you stated at that time Russian was used as Ukraine was just a republic of the USSR so it should be Kiev. Even you agree with that. So that should be enough to close this argument once and for all. It's historical accuracy that we are after and this is a World War II map.
Second in the anglophone world no one writes Kyiv when referring to Kiev. They always use Kiev. Check newspapers, TV stations, books, etc. So why should we use Kyiv? As for your link I trust much more the BBC for accuracy than the CIA Factbook. Proof of that is all the incorrect data they have on my own country.
On your link about Moscow. That's hardly reference, a link from a forum? Anyone could write what they want there. Anyway my point is that Москва is translated to Moskva using the Latin alphabet, however in English we use Moscow. I think even Qwert can confirm this as he uses the Cyrillic alphabet.
You are wrong. When you talk about modern, present days Ukraine, you must use Kyiv, anything else is wrong. And in all newspapers, which have a modern dictionary around, and stay up to date with current situation in Ukraine would use word "Kyiv". At least that is happening here, in Canada, where there are a lot of ties with Ukraine.
When you write Kiev for the modern Ukraine, it is just arrogance, and not respecting the will of the country.
As per Moscow discussion, I never said it should be Moskva. "Moscow" is that is how they like themselves to be called. That link would just give you some ideas, about the etymology of the word Moscow, and why is it different from Russian transliteration.
But I will close this argument, because for the sake of this map, I'd prefer all USSR cities to be written in Russian transliteration.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:31 am
by AndrewB
hulmey wrote:... or the very accurate and world renowned BBC!!!!
Of course you would say this! Aren't you British yourself? I don't know who are most arrogant people, British or American?
LOL
(I know, I know, I am going to be slaughtered now, I walked right into this
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:43 am
by sully800
LOL
After all that debate, I accidentally chose A instead of B.
Subtract 1 from the A column and add one to the B column when this is all over.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:58 pm
by Gozar
For everyone arguing that no change should happen as A+B>C.....that has not been the case for awhile now....
B is the leading option, with more votes than the others combined...even if you forget the two that voted incoreectly
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:37 pm
by Qwert
just relax, and put to vote goo normal, 5 days and vote will be finish.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:45 pm
by Lt. Valerian
AndrewB wrote:hulmey wrote:... or the very accurate and world renowned BBC!!!!
Of course you would say this! Aren't you British yourself? I don't know who are most arrogant people, British or American?
LOL
(I know, I know, I am going to be slaughtered now, I walked right into this
Heh, or perhaps the Canadians are the most arrogant?
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:40 pm
by hulmey
uncle fuckers
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:04 pm
by luckiekevin
This is so retarded.. we've exhausted all this energy over borders that can be improved with 5 minutes of work. So fucking stupid.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:11 pm
by AndrewB
hulmey wrote:uncle fuckers
Right, I did your uncle for sure
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:12 pm
by AndrewB
Lt. Valerian wrote:AndrewB wrote:hulmey wrote:... or the very accurate and world renowned BBC!!!!
Of course you would say this! Aren't you British yourself? I don't know who are most arrogant people, British or American?
LOL
(I know, I know, I am going to be slaughtered now, I walked right into this
Heh, or perhaps the Canadians are the most arrogant?
Maybe they are, maybe they are
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:31 pm
by Serbia
Except that Canadians have no reason to be arrogant.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:55 pm
by hulmey
hehe...spot on dude...
at least we got areason mate...WE British rule the world
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:25 pm
by GreecePwns
hulmey wrote:hehe...spot on dude...
at least we got areason mate...WE British rule the world
And we greeks once ruled the world (Alexander was GREEK, NOT MACEDONIAN!)
Not that we're arrogant or anything...
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:38 pm
by MarVal
GreecePwns wrote:hulmey wrote:hehe...spot on dude...
at least we got areason mate...WE British rule the world
And we greeks once ruled the world (Alexander was GREEK, NOT MACEDONIAN!)
Not that we're arrogant or anything...
And we Dutchies once had world domination over the seas..
Grtz
MarVal
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:04 pm
by Ruben Cassar
The biggest empires the world has ever seen are the Roman Empire and the British Empire. Those are also the most glorious of all time.
Alexander was from Macedonia as far as I know. His father was the King of Macedonia right?
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:16 pm
by Qwert
well i think that Mongol empire whas bigest empire of world, and macedonian ofcourse in ancient greeks whas 1 of many greeks tribes
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:23 pm
by hulmey
FACT: British Empire where the sun never set is the biggest and longest empire in the World...
And of course those annoying yankees are by birth mostly English unwanteds or convicts ehheheheheh...
So World domination by England is still continuing,
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND THE SUNDAY ROAST