Conquer Club

I'm talking about the world in general, not the UK specifically. Although yes, it does affect the UK when the US demands that the UK extradites its own citizens to the US to be charged with bogus offenses.

Either way I don't give a f*ck. You don't have to live in a country to hold a valid opinion on that country's internal affairs. Particularly when those affairs are as generic as 'gay marriage' or 'the role of government'.

huamulan wrote:you ought to understand that most Europeans don't give a shit about what happens in the US of A

huamulan wrote: You don't have to live in a country to hold a valid opinion on that country's internal affairs. Particularly when those affairs are as generic as 'gay marriage' or 'the role of government'.

you're all over it

About fussball flipfloppers:

It's profitable enough for certain actors to stage a believable performance, so why not?


"ur not [nationality P], shuddap!"

Never understood that. It's tastes and preferences. You're from A, and you find country B interesting enough to comment about. Fine with me! Case closed.

BigBallinStalin wrote:About fussball flipfloppers:

It's profitable enough for certain actors to stage a believable performance, so why not?


"ur not [nationality P], shuddap!"

Never understood that. It's tastes and preferences. You're from A, and you find country B interesting enough to comment about. Fine with me! Case closed.

BBS wins.

BigBallinStalin wrote:About fussball flipfloppers:

It's profitable enough for certain actors to stage a believable performance, so why not?

I don't understand what is gained. What's the profit? Simply falling seems to draw the appropriate response from the referee. Writhing in pain on the pitch doesn't gain the player much (although maybe someone can enlighten me).

thegreekdog wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:About fussball flipfloppers:

It's profitable enough for certain actors to stage a believable performance, so why not?

I don't understand what is gained. What's the profit? Simply falling seems to draw the appropriate response from the referee. Writhing in pain on the pitch doesn't gain the player much (although maybe someone can enlighten me).

It looks like something more serious has happened than has actually happened. Referees are more sympathetic, fans are more supportive, etc.

I believe it's meant to bring the ref's attention to what could be a foul. If you man up and carry on, it will be ignored.
But I'm not a sport fan, so I may be wrong.

jonesthecurl wrote:I believe it's meant to bring the ref's attention to what could be a foul. If you man up and carry on, it will be ignored.
But I'm not a sport fan, so I may be wrong.

So, basically, the same system as the CC reporting posts function.

jonesthecurl wrote:I believe it's meant to bring the ref's attention to what could be a foul. If you man up and carry on, it will be ignored.
But I'm not a sport fan, so I may be wrong.

Not ignored, but there's usually no harm in a bit of ham acting, plus, it's worth pointing out that a lot of players who do ham it up are foreign. e.g., English ain't their first language, or possibly even one in which they can say "That bloke trod on my foot, then dug his spikes into my thigh when I was down" to the ref.

In short, grabbing your leg and rolling around makes the same point.

yea, if they're writing in supposed pain on the ground, the contact looks more malicious and you're more likely to get the call.

Or it could be like in baseball, where you argue not to change the umpires mind about the call that just happened, but you're arguing for a call to go your way in the future.

I'm not sure how much basketball you watch tgd, but I love Jeff Van Gundy who commentates for ESPN/ABC and is doing all the games for the finals. He thinks blatant floppers should either get a technical foul during the game or a hefty fine afterwards and I agree completely. It's not so bad in hockey, but football should adopt this policy too.

Army of GOD wrote:yea, if they're writing in supposed pain on the ground, the contact looks more malicious and you're more likely to get the call.

Or it could be like in baseball, where you argue not to change the umpires mind about the call that just happened, but you're arguing for a call to go your way in the future.

I'm not sure how much basketball you watch tgd, but I love Jeff Van Gundy who commentates for ESPN/ABC and is doing all the games for the finals. He thinks blatant floppers should either get a technical foul during the game or a hefty fine afterwards and I agree completely. It's not so bad in hockey, but football should adopt this policy too.

Pretty much- any non contact sport needs to keep a tight eye on this. Contact sports suffer the opposite problem, a mentality of playing on with an injury. A good ref shouldn't be impartial with regards to teams alone, but also to players within teams. I guess I've argued this with you about Ice Hockey a bit in the past, but the sport you didn't mention that's having big issues with this at the mo is American football.

To my mind, faking an injury is pretty serious, but faking not having an injury when you have one is dangerous.

Symmetry wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:yea, if they're writing in supposed pain on the ground, the contact looks more malicious and you're more likely to get the call.

Or it could be like in baseball, where you argue not to change the umpires mind about the call that just happened, but you're arguing for a call to go your way in the future.

I'm not sure how much basketball you watch tgd, but I love Jeff Van Gundy who commentates for ESPN/ABC and is doing all the games for the finals. He thinks blatant floppers should either get a technical foul during the game or a hefty fine afterwards and I agree completely. It's not so bad in hockey, but football should adopt this policy too.

Pretty much- any non contact sport needs to keep a tight eye on this. Contact sports suffer the opposite problem, a mentality of playing on with an injury. A good ref shouldn't be impartial with regards to teams alone, but also to players within teams. I guess I've argued this with you about Ice Hockey a bit in the past, but the sport you didn't mention that's having big issues with this at the mo is American football.

To my mind, faking an injury is pretty serious, but faking not having an injury when you have one is dangerous.

I agree, but I understand where the not wanting to make public an injury comes from.

In the only serious injury of my sports career (an awfully sprained ankle), I wanted to get right back into the soccer game that it happened during, but my coach wouldn't let me. If I had pretending like I didn't have an injury, I would've been back in teh game doing a lot more harm to myself. But there's that feeling of helplessness sitting on the sidelines watching your teammates struggle in a game you think you could alter and it sucks (and I had to feel it the rest of the soccer season as I had to sit out for like 7 weeks).

Army of GOD wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:yea, if they're writing in supposed pain on the ground, the contact looks more malicious and you're more likely to get the call.

Or it could be like in baseball, where you argue not to change the umpires mind about the call that just happened, but you're arguing for a call to go your way in the future.

I'm not sure how much basketball you watch tgd, but I love Jeff Van Gundy who commentates for ESPN/ABC and is doing all the games for the finals. He thinks blatant floppers should either get a technical foul during the game or a hefty fine afterwards and I agree completely. It's not so bad in hockey, but football should adopt this policy too.

Pretty much- any non contact sport needs to keep a tight eye on this. Contact sports suffer the opposite problem, a mentality of playing on with an injury. A good ref shouldn't be impartial with regards to teams alone, but also to players within teams. I guess I've argued this with you about Ice Hockey a bit in the past, but the sport you didn't mention that's having big issues with this at the mo is American football.

To my mind, faking an injury is pretty serious, but faking not having an injury when you have one is dangerous.

I agree, but I understand where the not wanting to make public an injury comes from.

In the only serious injury of my sports career (an awfully sprained ankle), I wanted to get right back into the soccer game that it happened during, but my coach wouldn't let me. If I had pretending like I didn't have an injury, I would've been back in teh game doing a lot more harm to myself. But there's that feeling of helplessness sitting on the sidelines watching your teammates struggle in a game you think you could alter and it sucks (and I had to feel it the rest of the soccer season as I had to sit out for like 7 weeks).

Aye- didn't want to make a hugely long post, but ignoring injury is a problem in contact and non-contact sports. I guess my point was that it tends to be more of an issue in contact sports (ex-rugby player here). I don't feel that playing up an injury a bit for the ref is anywhere near as serious as playing down an injury for the coach.

That's a bit tangential to the topic of floppers though.

Army of GOD wrote:That's a bit tangential to the topic of floppers though.

That's what she said!

But seriously, see a doctor.

Symmetry wrote:But seriously, see a doctor.

Oh yea, and ever since I sprained my ankle I've sprained my other one and twisted both of my ankles so many times that I need to wear braces pretty much any time I play sports.

shit sucks brah

Army of GOD wrote:

Symmetry wrote:But seriously, see a doctor.

Oh yea, and ever since I sprained my ankle I've sprained my other one and twisted both of my ankles so many times that I need to wear braces pretty much any time I play sports.

shit sucks brah

Nah- that doesn't suck at all. Idiots who play hurt and never get medical advice cos they think it's macho to play through pain and end up severely injured, they don't play anymore.

Idiots who accept what they got from being idiots (me- broken finger, some lost teeth, and a whole lot of back problems), but play on with those in mind, and play careful, knowing they're not the invincible idiots they used to be, play smarter.

And then they can go for a drink afterwards.

When you have played soccer in an offensive position and you have had to play against dirty idiots like AoG, you know some fouls just hurt a lot. Everything down the leg hurts a lot when hit. Sometimes you actually lie in the ground waiting for the real pain to start. Seriously, after you get tackled it hurts, but sometimes a few seconds later the real pain starts.

It's pretty spectacular when you are running and get tackled, but the best you can do is fall down because by falling down you avoid a bigger injury.. when you have the foot planted and get a kick on it is worse.

But yes, it sucks that players do that.

If someone tries to foul me I just run straight through his legs. I also play barefoot, because I am a man.

huamulan wrote: I also play barefoot, because I am a man.

Does your penis not fit in any shoes?

A brief experiment has just demonstrated that my penis can fit inside every shoe I own.

It could probably fit inside every thimble you own too.

jonesthecurl wrote:It could probably fit inside every thimble you own too.

someone call a doctor, there are some SICK BURNS being delivered here

jonesthecurl wrote:It could probably fit inside every thimble you own too.

..and probably has, now and again.