Conquer Club

I feel like my role would be best kept secret for the town, and seeing as how I have no votes, I'd like to keep it that way... No pressure, no need to claim, the way I see it. I promise this is the best thing for the town.

-Sully

I don't think that will suffice victor...

Vote Count

saxlad (3) - iliad, haggis, strike wolf
strike wolf (1) - victor
flores (1) - commander
victor (1) -TG

11 to lynch

Victor Sullivan wrote:I feel like my role would be best kept secret for the town, and seeing as how I have no votes, I'd like to keep it that way... No pressure, no need to claim, the way I see it. I promise this is the best thing for the town.

-Sully

ok this sounds either like BS or the truth and the the truth don't stink.

vote victor

At least throw us a bone

TA1LGUNN3R wrote: Sax is pretty suspicious, but you all seem to be handling that. I'm gonna vote Jace.

Hmm, what? I feel like this post makes absolutely no sense. If you feel Sax is suspicious enough that you are happy other people are voting for him then why turn your vote to Jace with little evidence.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Jace wrote:wow, that was far bloodier than expected

Did you have some sort of knowledge of what was going down?

Just because he thinks it was bloodier than expected doesn't mean he knew anything about it, I don't think ANYONE expected 4 deaths, especially since there was only ONE the night before.

strike wolf wrote:Ok so what I make of this is basically this. Commander is a cop or at least some type of investigative role. WHen he investigates someone it tells them they have an item on them that seems to point to their ability for example an artist may have a brush or in victor's case his role has a gun. If this is true which I believe it is...than victor would probably have to be a vig or a non-town killing role...maybe a bit more information about your night actions could make it clearer.

Why would he have to be a vig or non-town killing role? We have all thought about the idea that there is a PGO, that doesn't necessarily make him Vig OR non town...I'm sure there are roles that have guns that are pro-town, right? And in that case, we are pressuring him and asking for a claim, which isn't ANY DIFFERENT than when Aage was pushing for a claim, and we LYNCHED HIM FOR THAT VERY REASON.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote: That doesn't really seem all that scummy to me guys. Investigative roles better start stepping forward and revealing info or the mafia's gonna win because the townies don't know what's going on. We're basically just accusing people based on posts, and we all know how consistent that is.

Seriously? Lots of people trying to push for PRs to step forward, sounds to me like you are fishing for some targets.
FOS Strike but VOTE: Tail

You don't honestly believe you can so blatantly fish for targets and not be scummy, do you?

Stefunny85 wrote:Why would he have to be a vig or non-town killing role? We have all thought about the idea that there is a PGO, that doesn't necessarily make him Vig OR non town...I'm sure there are roles that have guns that are pro-town, right?

Well, a paranoid gun owner would most likely have a gun yes, but since a PGO kills anyone who visits him at night, it seems unlikely, yet not impossible, for Victor to be a paranoid gun owner. Since Commander apparently visited him without dying and all. As for protown role that have guns, the only ones that I can think of right now that would usually have a gun would be cop and vig.

Stefunny85 wrote:And in that case, we are pressuring him and asking for a claim, which isn't ANY DIFFERENT than when Aage was pushing for a claim, and we LYNCHED HIM FOR THAT VERY REASON.

There are some pretty big differences from what aage did. First of all, Commander has claimed to have discovered that Victor to possesses a gun. This gives us some actuall reason to want a claim out of Victor, as there are only so many role that have guns, and scum is on that list. Aage did not have any sort of hard evidence that herkman could be scum. He simply single minded set himself to get herkman lynched or something. Additionally, herkman had already partially claimed some sort of role and was believed by a significant portion of the players. We know nothing about Victor at this point, except what Commander has told us. So, this pressuring a person to claim has more evidence behind it, and is against what many consider a more valid target than what aage was lynched for. So yeah, it is plenty different.

Still doesn't explain why he's asking other investigative roles to step forward though.

Stefunny85 wrote:Still doesn't explain why he's asking other investigative roles to step forward though.

Well, you are correct in seeing that my post makes no mention of nor attempts to offer an explanation for any such thing.

spiesr wrote:

Stefunny85 wrote:Still doesn't explain why he's asking other investigative roles to step forward though.

Well, you are correct in seeing that my post makes no mention of nor attempts to offer an explanation for any such thing.

Ah, good point

Stefunny wrote:Seriously? Lots of people trying to push for PRs to step forward, sounds to me like you are fishing for some targets.
FOS Strike but VOTE: Tail

OK well you can keep trying to accuse people based on no information. See how that works out for you. Also, around here everyone around here uses PR= post restriction.

-Tails

Seeing how the last couple days have gone, I think I'm gonna role-claim now as opposed to later (remember daze claimed town late in the game and she was lynched anyways, same with aage, so here goes nothing...)

Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on Maybe I was busdriven? Idk...

Another note - mafia must be wicked powerful or something, because between Fircoal and me, that's 3 doc protects!

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:Seeing how the last couple days have gone, I think I'm gonna role-claim now as opposed to later (remember daze claimed town late in the game and she was lynched anyways, same with aage, so here goes nothing...)

Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on Maybe I was busdriven? Idk...

Another note - mafia must be wicked powerful or something, because between Fircoal and me, that's 3 doc protects!

-Sully

So this CPR doc is the town's night kill? This seems pretty simple then. All we need is for theherkman to verify that you are who say you are and everything's gravy.

However, since theherkman is away on forum ban, we'll have to wait.
Though, it seems a little odd to be claiming this role when the main person to corroborate (or call you out) is unable to speak...

Flow520 wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Seeing how the last couple days have gone, I think I'm gonna role-claim now as opposed to later (remember daze claimed town late in the game and she was lynched anyways, same with aage, so here goes nothing...)

Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on Maybe I was busdriven? Idk...

Another note - mafia must be wicked powerful or something, because between Fircoal and me, that's 3 doc protects!

-Sully

So this CPR doc is the town's night kill? This seems pretty simple then. All we need is for theherkman to verify that you are who say you are and everything's gravy.

However, since theherkman is away on forum ban, we'll have to wait.
Though, it seems a little odd to be claiming this role when the main person to corroborate (or call you out) is unable to speak...

Slow down there, Flow, I think you've got a few things wrong... I'm not apart of theherkman's "crew" and he wouldn't have known whether or not I protected him, just like the people Fircoal protected (I'm 95% sure) didn't know they were being protected. And I'm not the town's kill, really. I'm not an SK. If someone I protect isn't targeted, they die.

-Sully

Well unless someone counterclaims CPR doc, Victor's claim seems legit.

While a few interesting cases about ga7 and flores have popped up, I'll need some more evidence to sway my vote.
Freezie's behaviour. What I noticed was freezie's consistent attack on sax and jace, even when much bigger cases were happening, ie he was creating the illusion of applying pressure when there was no risk of pressure.
Sax:

freezie wrote:Vote: Saxlad

For reasons posted pre-game. Explain your scummy pre-game behavior you prepubescent punk. quote NOT stolen from Kaiba...

Nothing solid here, just his joke vote was against sax.

freezie wrote:

TheSaxlad wrote:As it seems weve finally decided who we are going to lynch
unvote vote daze

Is that all you want, a lynch? Not like I am against lynches, as it keeps the game going, but even thogh we need a day 1 lynch,
You don't need to make it sound THAT scummy sax.

unvote
Vote: Saxlad

Now that sounds like an experienced scum trying to hint and guide one of his more inexperienced scummates, this is day 1 remember, while also distancing himself.

freezie wrote: However..With so many votes on her, Daze could have posted slightly more than that for her defense.

I still don't like saxlad :S am getting bad vibes from him. But...Am ready to switch my vote to Daze if she doesn't post something of substance anytime soon.

Vote count maybe?

More distancing.
I think it's quite clear that freezie saw that saxlad was an experienced scum, trying to subtly show him how to avoid suspicion and then decided to distance himself to make himself look innocent when sax's alignment came to play. Same thing for jace:

freezie wrote:Anyway, interesting claim from Mr, Agee and Vio..Although I barely am buying it. Jace is STILL scumarrining and I won't take my vote off him unless he actually shows up quite soon.

If he does and convince me..My vote's on aage.

freezie wrote: My vote stays on Jace, but herk is slowing falling down in credibility for me.

freezie wrote:Sax is still once again in my scumdar, from D1. but voting him at this point seems quiite useless. And Jace's case is dieing out, sadly..I still beleive he would be our best choice at this point, alongside the nearly-useless Sens.

I keep my vote on Jace, for now. Convince me to do otherwise XD

Here he attacks both of them, as well as sens. Notice how he keeps voting for jace, so that the day scenes show that his vote was on jace from the beginning, while aage's and daze's bandwagons were happening. That means he knew that htey were town and wanted to look good in the future by being the solitary person with a vote on a mafia and being able to claim that he was suspicious of them day 1, common tactic. Also notice how he knows that the "pressure" that he is applying on sax and jace isn't actually pressure and there is really no chance of the town swinging against them.

In other words I have strong reasons to believe that jace and saxlad are scumbuddies with the late freezie.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Seeing how the last couple days have gone, I think I'm gonna role-claim now as opposed to later (remember daze claimed town late in the game and she was lynched anyways, same with aage, so here goes nothing...)

Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on Maybe I was busdriven? Idk...

Another note - mafia must be wicked powerful or something, because between Fircoal and me, that's 3 doc protects!

-Sully

Hmm, interesting ...

On the one hand, the doctor with a gun thing is really weird. I don't really see how it works at all. What are the options here? another busdriver doesn't seem very likely. Any other explanations?

On the other hand, i don't really see why scum would claim that role, since all it would take is for the real cpr doctor to step up ...

Well, unless somebody else claims cpr doctor, i believe Sax is still scummiest so my vote stays.

Iliad wrote:Well unless someone counterclaims CPR doc, Victor's claim seems legit.

I'm still a bit unsure about Victors claim. Firstly I don't see why a CPR Doc would have a gun (of course the presence of Freezie the Busdriver allows for the possibility of Commander having got an incorrect result). Secondly I'm not all that sure that a CPR Doc would be told that he is a CPR Doc. I'll admit that I haven't come across many CPR Docs earlier but of all the Docs/Cops with varying success rate/sanity I've seen there are very few that where told if/when they had a varying success rate/sanity. Though I guess that the severity of the CPR Docs alternative action might make it necessary to know.

But I'll agree that if no counter claim is made then I think we have to believe Victor.

Iliad wrote:Now that sounds like an experienced scum trying to hint and guide one of his more inexperienced scummates, this is day 1 remember, while also distancing himself.

In other words I have strong reasons to believe that jace and saxlad are scumbuddies with the late freezie.

Not a bad spot Illy.

While I'm still not completely convinced by Victors claim I think the time has come for a Vote The Saxlad.

Commander9 wrote:I've reviewed a lot of people's posts through the our days and I can say that mafia has been playing really well. These guys couldn't be newbies that attract a lot of attention to them and who know better than not to contribute. Two people in particular have posted quite a bit and it seems that they contributed, but both of them have also been behind as of the main advocates for our both lynches so far and of whom both turned out to be townies. Both of them also been smart enough not to go to too many bandwagons and have been consistent enough through the game. They've also done really well to convince that aage is scum even after he claimed...

Yes, Haggis and Flores, I'm talking about you two. (P.S. Haggis, I loved when you posted that huge post saying that you'll make lots of mafia members and others unhappy - brilliant effort )

Vote Flores.

aaawww i feel the love *giggles* before you get a serious crush on me i must remind you that i am the frenchy's gal
even thought i am extremely flattered my dear, i cant take the credit for being some kind of super cool and daredevil scum who fiercely advocates for the lynch of claimed townies, and gets to convince everyone, because as cool as that could have be, the only reason i went after aage and daze is because they were the scummiest players in game, and i over estimated their intelligence, i thought no town with half a brain could have acted that way, sadly i was wrong, which makes me very hopeless about the future of humanity, and make me think that some ppl should get IQ test's before being allowed to reproduce, but that doesnt make me scum, if anything it makes me an idealist, a humanist, someones who believes in the potential of ppl, someone who doesnt assume at first hand that they are just hopeless morons, thought it pains me to admit that this 2 players did a very good job at proving me wrong, i suppose after all the man IS a wolf for the man after all *sighs*

Ok leaving out the philosophical context that frame my actions i also have a pragmatic defense: if i had a cool role like being scum i could have kept a low profile, getting swayed and agreeing with the opinions of misleaded townies more than making cases of my own and risking to make waves, and post way more fluff than content, and i know way better than link myself to other scum, i am a better player than that.

Still i am flattered thought, you flirty kid

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Oh, yeah.
Thanks for reminding me about Sax. Made this post back pn page 74, before all the aage madness. (...)
Yay, fishing for more info.
I think that's enough to warrant a vote
Vote Saxlad

fair enough, thanks Haggirs for refresh my memory, i almost let this scummy kid out, so i will go and be a humanist again, and believe that he is intelligent enough for have avoided act so scummy if he was town and vote saxlad

Victor Sullivan wrote:Holy f*ck people... We go from one death to 4...

freezie - possibly killed by a pgo
Fircoal - poisoned
edocsil - gunshot to the chest
VioIet - I personally think she was killed due to aage's lynching since she was clutching a picture of him/her when she died, though the burn marks could indicate otherwise.

(...) though one of the two people Fircoal were protecting could have been herk's group's SK's target, who knows?

Just some theories... I think I will cast my vote for the person who switched their vote around a lot Day 2: vote strike wolf It seems to me you were the same way on Day 1 as well, but my memory's not what it used to be...

-Sully

Freezie MUST have gotten killed by a PGO, and PGO's are usually town, and sometimes they are survivors, but i have never seen a scum PGO, it could be way too overpowered.

The poison could have been a delayed death, in a fircoal game i was once a "godmother" and i could give away poisoned cookies that had 33% chance to work the same day, the second day, or never, so i think we might face such a role here.

Edoc was must likely the work of scum, but we cant totally discard the job a misguided trigger happy vig (hint to the vig's out there, you shouldn't target someone if you don't have a really strong conviction that you are targeting scum, because you can do way more harm than good to town if you shoot blindly.

Violet was killed by a CPR doc, everyone assumed she could be the target of scum, so we cant blame the CPR doc for this, the photo must have been only for flavor.

what i find fishy about your post sully, is that you throw suspicion on the herk and his group saying that they include a SK, what makes you say this? do you have proofs? are you hiding information from us? because a SK is never protown, if you know such thing you MUST talk, if you are just throwing shit to a player that most of us believe to be town, that seems pretty scummy to me.

But what striked me as ridiculously scummy is your vote on strikewolf, what kind of bs reason was that? everyone can switch votes, that doesn't automatically make you into a vote hopper, if you are going to vote him and disregard the more solid case we have going on on sax, at least have the decency of build a real case against him.

FOS Sully

karelpietertje wrote:

Mr. Squirrel wrote: However after the first few sips she noticed something was odd. After a few more she started feeling nauseous. Suddenly, she collapsed. Pablo, ran over, but by the time he got there the poison had fully worked into her system and she was dead.[/i]

Judy Swan: Fircoal - Good Neighbor (two protects a night) has been killed!

This Pablo Sanchez Garcia IV sounds real cool. He mentors people Wonder if he's town/scum/3rd party.

well if he runned to try to help her i could say he is town or protown at least, the mentor part makes me think of mason recruiter.

Commander9 wrote:Good response Sully, however you're definitely not off the hook. You can kill people at night... and you do.

WTF?? he can kill ppl, you know this, and instead of vote him you are throwing suspicion on haggis and me???? are you for real??? wake up and smell the coffee kid, the only protown roles that can kill are vig and joat, if he is none of those, guess what he is *sighs*

Commander9 wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Whoa...Sully can kill people? How do you know that?

He has a gun.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Yes, Commander... How do you know I can kill people, when I assure you I most certainly can't.

You have a gun. At first, I considered that you could have been a cop and just were laying low so you wouldn't be spotted, but now I think of it much more that you're one of the scum. I'm not 100% sure of that, but I'm fairly certain.

I wasn't going to come out with this information and hoped to do more research, but after the massacre in the night, I feel like tomorrow could be too late.

cops dont kill cops investigate for fucks sakes.

Victor Sullivan wrote:(...)Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on

so you assure us that you cant kill, then you claim a role that has 50% chances to kill with a "DEFIBRILLATOR" not a gun, Lynch all liars!!!! well or so i could like to say, but i don't want to risk the loss of another doctor, so i think the safest thing to do with you is get you roleblocked and investigated tonight, im not sure about ask a counterclaim, because if you are fake claiming, outing one of our doctors, one that could use his power to kill scum, doesn't seem like a good idea, but you are terribly scummy victor, eerily so.

Right Now Imma Gonna Claim.

I am The Mayor Of New Briasburg. Yes. Imma Supposed to be keeping control of you people. Obviously most of you know what a govenors power is. I can stop a lynch. My god imma need protecting.

You lynch me and we give the mafia another kill.

Now some things to say as Mayor. Reading through this Victor's and Commanders Claims seem legit. So where do we go from here?

I have some Idea's.

Firstly. Just before anyone says anything, We are not scumbuddies, before anyone mentions anything.
Secondly, Naxus What did you find tonight?
Thirdly, Back a couple of pages commander made a thought about strike wolf, I am tending to agree with this, I think we can learn more from strikes death than anyone else's...

So Vote Strike

and I wait to see what the fallout from this will be.
Oh one more thing. Nobody role claim otherwise victor and fir will have their work cut out...

EBWOP.

FIrcoal is dead.

Were in deep S***.

EBWOP2: Naxus is the cop in the crusades mafia, I get myself mixed up...

TheSaxlad wrote:Firstly. Just before anyone says anything, We are not scumbuddies, before anyone mentions anything.

Strangely specific denial? Also, you appear to have skimmed, a lot, when making your post there. Please try to pay a little more attention.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on Maybe I was busdriven? Idk...

Sorry Victor, but I don't by that claim for a second. A CPR doc who has a gun? That just makes no sense.
While it is theoretically possible that you were busdriven, it just doesn't seem like it would have been the case. Commander, did you investigate Victor last night, or night 1? If it was last night, then since it appears that the busdriver may have targeted a PGO then it could make sense that if Victor was the other person switched you would find a gun from the PGO, but then you would be dead, so that didn't happen.

Thezzaruz wrote:Secondly I'm not all that sure that a CPR Doc would be told that he is a CPR Doc. I'll admit that I haven't come across many CPR Docs earlier but of all the Docs/Cops with varying success rate/sanity I've seen there are very few that where told if/when they had a varying success rate/sanity. Though I guess that the severity of the CPR Docs alternative action might make it necessary to know.

Thezzarus sees a good point here. If a CPR doctor knew that they had such powers, then they not just play as basically a vig instead? Why would they risk accidentally killing they people they would want to save in a game with so many players that the mafia could strike anywhere? It seem unlikely that such a role would know the details of their power right away, becuase it would radically change how they played the role.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Yes, Commander... How do you know I can kill people, when I assure you I most certainly can't.

Was this a lie then? If you has been told about the details of your role, then you would know that you can kill people.

Victor Sullivan wrote:VioIet - I personally think she was killed due to aage's lynching since she was clutching a picture of him/her when she died, though the burn marks could indicate otherwise.

I you had been told about you being a CPR doc, then wouldn't the cause of death have been extremely obvious to you?

To me it looks like you are just a scum who has been caught out in the open. You pulled together a fake-claim of a role that was speculated to be in the game, either on hopes that the speculation would be wrong and you could fit into that role with ease, or that you could flush out what may be the town's last protective role, which also happens to have the ability to kill mafia members. Vote Victor

yeah sully, you seemed to screw over your roleclaim by contradicting yourself. I suppose I'll buy saxlad's claim for now, but like flores I also kinda have a high hope that people have at least half a brain and can come up with a good role claim. So vote sully

EBWOP oh, and can we get a vote count?

Way to go spiesr. If Victor was a CPR doc he should have known what happened and yes the gun doesn't make sense for a CPR doctor.

vote victor

Victor is lying about him vistiting the Herk on night one. Only Blake and Fircoal vistied Herk night one.

Vote Victor

Also sax dont say anything about other games in here whether its true or not