Conquer Club

VioIet wrote:The case on cena is good, but I still believe that Fir is more suspicious than cena.

Also fir was not on Naggy's wagon, which I think is telling.

And I do believe someone wanted to Doc to come out and say who he protected last night. I was saying it would probably be best for the doctor to say nothing.

VioIet wrote:If i have to take the heat for hammering, so be it.

Seriously, someone had to do it.

If not, we'd still be on Day 1, arguing in circles.

Going to continue on with my hunch from yesterday.

Vote Fir

Fircoal wrote:

VioIet wrote:If i have to take the heat for hammering, so be it.

Seriously, someone had to do it.

If not, we'd still be on Day 1, arguing in circles.

Going to continue on with my hunch from yesterday.

Vote Fir

What I don't think about this post is Vio ignores the fact that we still had some time to debate with ourselves. The deadline wasn't right happening yet, we still had some time to debate and talk. I feel that your argument is kinda weak and textbook. And if your hunch really nothing more than a hunch.

Also I know I'm not one to talk, but where is Cena?

Streaker wrote:

Fircoal wrote:

VioIet wrote:If i have to take the heat for hammering, so be it.

Seriously, someone had to do it.

If not, we'd still be on Day 1, arguing in circles.

Going to continue on with my hunch from yesterday.

Vote Fir

What I don't think about this post is Vio ignores the fact that we still had some time to debate with ourselves. The deadline wasn't right happening yet, we still had some time to debate and talk. I feel that your argument is kinda weak and textbook. And if your hunch really nothing more than a hunch.

Also I know I'm not one to talk, but where is Cena?

There was still 24+ hours if I recall correctly. It was a dumb idea.
There wasn't THAT much time left, when Vio hammered. In order to debate and talk, the players that you want to talk to have to be around. Vio hammered, I found it suspicious just as anyone else, but someone had to do it indeed.

If cena doesn't show up soon, I can add scummarining to the case...

edocsil wrote:

Streaker wrote:

Fircoal wrote:

VioIet wrote:If i have to take the heat for hammering, so be it.

Seriously, someone had to do it.

If not, we'd still be on Day 1, arguing in circles.

Going to continue on with my hunch from yesterday.

Vote Fir

What I don't think about this post is Vio ignores the fact that we still had some time to debate with ourselves. The deadline wasn't right happening yet, we still had some time to debate and talk. I feel that your argument is kinda weak and textbook. And if your hunch really nothing more than a hunch.

Also I know I'm not one to talk, but where is Cena?

There wasn't THAT much time left, when Vio hammered. In order to debate and talk, the players that you want to talk to have to be around. Vio hammered, I found it suspicious just as anyone else, but someone had to do it indeed.

If cena doesn't show up soon, I can add scummarining to the case...

VioIet wrote:There was less than 24 hours. Deadline was about 12 hours away at that point. I believe i posted Saturday morning, and deadline was Saturday evening. Seems interesting that edoc preferred a no lynch.

Also if you were really so worried about someone like me coming to hammer nag, then why did you guys have three votes on him in the first place? You don't put someone at L-1. if you don't want them to be lynched, because you know someone can always come and hammer.

This seems like a convenient argument to be made by those who were on nag's wagon, but can say "oh but we didn't hammer him, we just voted him." The votes have to accumulate somehow.

edocsil wrote:We need cena to get in here. I really don't see him as scum.

So the way things are we need to hang scum today. I think it is safe to assume the setup is 2 scum 1 doc, 4 VT, with 1 VT dead. We also can't trust anyone who claims to be a cop. They would just call their scum mate as innocent/a townie as guilty. We would hang the wrong person. The count is 2 scum and 3 townies, one of which they kill during the night 2v2, scum win. IF they don't get the doc hung and IF the doc protects the right person during the night we have one more day at LyLo and those odds are pretty bad.

So the point of this is I think the doc should claim. It will clear two townies so we have 2 scum 2 unproven VT and 2 proven townies 50/50 odds, a lot better then the current 2 to 1 odds against that we have for hanging at random. The doc could be counter claimed, but then we know one of them is lying and the odds are still 50/50.

What say you, with the deadline approaching I do not want to have a repeat of yesterday.

Commander9 wrote:

edocsil wrote:We need cena to get in here. I really don't see him as scum.

So the way things are we need to hang scum today. I think it is safe to assume the setup is 2 scum 1 doc, 4 VT, with 1 VT dead. We also can't trust anyone who claims to be a cop. They would just call their scum mate as innocent/a townie as guilty. We would hang the wrong person. The count is 2 scum and 3 townies, one of which they kill during the night 2v2, scum win. IF they don't get the doc hung and IF the doc protects the right person during the night we have one more day at LyLo and those odds are pretty bad.

So the point of this is I think the doc should claim. It will clear two townies so we have 2 scum 2 unproven VT and 2 proven townies 50/50 odds, a lot better then the current 2 to 1 odds against that we have for hanging at random. The doc could be counter claimed, but then we know one of them is lying and the odds are still 50/50.

What say you, with the deadline approaching I do not want to have a repeat of yesterday.

Well, worst case scenario - if we can't decide anything by the deadline, we can always delay the decision till the next day. Right now there's 6 of us alive, (could be a last day if we lynch a townie and then scum successfully do a kill), but if we don't lynch anyone, we'd have 5 people next day and additional time to discuss our lynch.

Also, as far as cena, how can you rule him?

edocsil wrote:Yeah I thought about a NL too. The problem is there is a 1 in 3 chance that the scum kill the doc and then we don't don't know who they protected N1 that leaves us with 2 scum 3 unconfirmed townies, and worse odds then 50/50 also, then it takes 3 to lynch, one misplaced vote for the scum to to a tag team hammer. I think it is safer to do it now when it takes 4 to lynch rather then tomorrow with 3. the final option is for the doc to claim now, but then the odds get really messy depending on what the scum and the doc do. Best case scenario still ends up being 50/50 LyLo, and a dead doc.

edocsil wrote:With deadlines like this all that the scum have to do is stay quiet and take an easy win, that's why I suggested earlier rather then later. We need that doc claim now, so we can sift through the pieces after the fallout.

Streaker wrote:

edocsil wrote:With deadlines like this all that the scum have to do is stay quiet and take an easy win, that's why I suggested earlier rather then later. We need that doc claim now, so we can sift through the pieces after the fallout.

No, I don't think the doc has to claim at this point. I have been trying to point you guys in the right direction, and it's a lead we can follow. Like you say, edoc, all that scum has to do is stay quiet. Who is staying quiet in this small game?

cena (was active previous day, but when it's a very important time for town, magically disappears)
fir (put up effort to post this day)
Vio (being somewhat active, but from what i see in other games, this isn't abnormal)

I will also add this to my case against cena:

Day 1 the first vote on nag was from Fir. He can easily say it's a joke vote, and it's truth. Cena was the one to wagon early on day 1.
Also there was a post from cena we only had 2 good suspects: nagerous and edocsil. Now I have strong belief they are both town, it's scummy to nominate 2 townies in a small game on day 1. What happens? Town hangs one of their own, cena's mission is complete, and lays low during the next day as we rush a lynch.

Cena is the only reason I am alive. I am town, so I think he is town. You will not have my vote. If he is scum you cannot hang him, the only way you can lynch him is if you are wrong and he is town.

I will, however, ask for the doc to out himself when it's the general opinion to do so.

Streaker wrote:

edocsil wrote:With deadlines like this all that the scum have to do is stay quiet and take an easy win, that's why I suggested earlier rather then later. We need that doc claim now, so we can sift through the pieces after the fallout.

No, I don't think the doc has to claim at this point. I have been trying to point you guys in the right direction, and it's a lead we can follow. Like you say, edoc, all that scum has to do is stay quiet. Who is staying quiet in this small game?

cena (was active previous day, but when it's a very important time for town, magically disappears)
fir (put up effort to post this day)
Vio (being somewhat active, but from what i see in other games, this isn't abnormal)

I will also add this to my case against cena:

Day 1 the first vote on nag was from Fir. He can easily say it's a joke vote, and it's truth. Cena was the one to wagon early on day 1.
Also there was a post from cena we only had 2 good suspects: nagerous and edocsil. Now I have strong belief they are both town, it's scummy to nominate 2 townies in a small game on day 1. What happens? Town hangs one of their own, cena's mission is complete, and lays low during the next day as we rush a lynch.

I will, however, ask for the doc to out himself when it's the general opinion to do so.

Streaker wrote:Wait, and how is Cena the ONLY reason you are alive? Why can't I hang him if he is scum? That doesn't make sense... Especially the part where I can only hang him if I am wrong...

edocsil wrote:The math is pretty simple guys, you could go through it easily on your own... 6 players, 2 are scum and wont hang one of their own, and I won't hang Cena without a more substantial case then you have against him. If he is scum there are 3 people who wont vote for him, me His scum mate and himself. It take 4 to lynch. Come on now.

As for him being the reason I am alive, this one is even worse. Who were you going to hang yesterday? Me. If Cena hadn't come along and got things started on Nag I would have been dead. There really shouldn't be any question to that at all. Perhaps you would have waited till deadline, but you would have hung me if not for the wagon getting turned around on Nag.