Conquer Club

Dancing Mustard wrote:

boberz wrote:DM you focus too much on your apparentknowledge that every unemployed person is fat lazy and cant be bothered and a society in which every rich person started form a humble background and worked very hard for his money. As we know this is not the case; many of the super-rich exploit people to get where they are and then stop anybody else entering tehir market using barriers to entry. I can do the purely economic talk wit you if you want and we can discuss the merits of each system.

Communists don't even believe in economics! Communism is giving all the money to all the poorest people and that is unfair because if they deserved the money then they would have earned it. Giving them money for watching Jeremy Kyle is well unfair and if I lived in a Communist world then I would slash my wrists and use the blood that came out to daub anti-communist graffiti on every wall in Moscow.

Economics hates Communism. Fact.

There is nothing you can say to prove that wrong, just accept you are wrong. Communism = Sin.

boberz wrote:I expect if we were all open we would come to the same conclusion that every democracy that has better living standards than the US has come to and say that a mixed economy (more towards socialism than the US) does provide the best provision for the country as a whole.

Rubbish, USA is the best and greatest country in the world. When that is not true then you can argue that another system is better. But right now communism is still retarded because all the communists in the world failed and beg off the USA for money. God has judged them, and given them AIDs.

boberz wrote:As i say we can commence a purely economical or purely political arguments

All of your arguments were rubbish and I have proved that and so you have lost and I have won.

Communism is still officially retarded. Also my teacher agrees with me and he has a degree in history. If you are a communist then you must be stupid and have no brain.

Communists dont believe in economics; that is completely hilarious. So all you learn about in any economics class is free market economics, either your teaching is crap or you dont listen. Of course economics is highly relevent to communism; Marx himself wazs debateably one of the best economists before John M Keynes. Communists do not believe in giving the poor your money, they believe in taking your money and building a hospital for everyone. It requires a complete rewiring of the human brain to see you would be working for the state not the individual. Whilst i agree with mass opinion it doesnt work your understanding of it is ompletely swayed towards the capitalist side. I can give you a more longwinded technical answet to the economics question if you want but i dont think you would like it

US does not have the greatest living standards, which is what i mentioned (considering communism is about raising living standards)
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
this uses the mercer sytem which is highly rated in economics. Highest US city 27th, 6 German cities above you. I am not saying this is conclusive but every test turns out similar to this, US have amazing GDP but cant spread tht in any way (even thropugh capitialism) to ensure that all their population suffers. As we have all stated sommunism cant really work certainly not in past cases. Yet communism has never been tried properly; there were seven stages to Marxist principle no communist example completed more thn four of these. AS for them all bveing screwed up you wont be saying that if you need to speak mandarin to so business around the world (i understand they are not purely ommunist but they are a lot more than the US).

I cannot believe your teacher taught you half of those views if he did he is crap. But i expect especially if he has a degree in history he was able to tell you why communism broke down exactly what the real aims of communism are and at least give a balanced opinion as to how some non-(pure capitalist) countries can actually be slightly better than the US

On to the more recent discussion: I dont think all facist are socialist because whilst you are correct in how the terms originate chirondom, the terms are now used more commonly to differenciate from each other; a socialist state now means one in which the state makes extensive provision (the definition does not usually include oprresion associated with communism). Most countries now live in a mixed economy so some socialist ideas but some of free market as well. The US are as near to capitalism as you can get without causing too much unrest; here it is important to distinguish between markets and in the US there many free market markets both good and bad.

I shall give my opinion on that marxist-communist thing. Communist tried to be marxist; failed cooould not fulfill what marx predicted but even so they still attempted and tried to follow priinciple then got corrupted.

boberz wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:

boberz wrote:DM you focus too much on your apparentknowledge that every unemployed person is fat lazy and cant be bothered and a society in which every rich person started form a humble background and worked very hard for his money. As we know this is not the case; many of the super-rich exploit people to get where they are and then stop anybody else entering tehir market using barriers to entry. I can do the purely economic talk wit you if you want and we can discuss the merits of each system.

Communists don't even believe in economics! Communism is giving all the money to all the poorest people and that is unfair because if they deserved the money then they would have earned it. Giving them money for watching Jeremy Kyle is well unfair and if I lived in a Communist world then I would slash my wrists and use the blood that came out to daub anti-communist graffiti on every wall in Moscow.

Economics hates Communism. Fact.

There is nothing you can say to prove that wrong, just accept you are wrong. Communism = Sin.

boberz wrote:I expect if we were all open we would come to the same conclusion that every democracy that has better living standards than the US has come to and say that a mixed economy (more towards socialism than the US) does provide the best provision for the country as a whole.

Rubbish, USA is the best and greatest country in the world. When that is not true then you can argue that another system is better. But right now communism is still retarded because all the communists in the world failed and beg off the USA for money. God has judged them, and given them AIDs.

boberz wrote:As i say we can commence a purely economical or purely political arguments

All of your arguments were rubbish and I have proved that and so you have lost and I have won.

Communism is still officially retarded. Also my teacher agrees with me and he has a degree in history. If you are a communist then you must be stupid and have no brain.

Communists dont believe in economics; that is completely hilarious. So all you learn about in any economics class is free market economics, either your teaching is crap or you dont listen. Of course economics is highly relevent to communism; Marx himself wazs debateably one of the best economists before John M Keynes. Communists do not believe in giving the poor your money, they believe in taking your money and building a hospital for everyone. It requires a complete rewiring of the human brain to see you would be working for the state not the individual. Whilst i agree with mass opinion it doesnt work your understanding of it is ompletely swayed towards the capitalist side. I can give you a more longwinded technical answet to the economics question if you want but i dont think you would like it

US does not have the greatest living standards, which is what i mentioned (considering communism is about raising living standards)
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
this uses the mercer sytem which is highly rated in economics. Highest US city 27th, 6 German cities above you. I am not saying this is conclusive but every test turns out similar to this, US have amazing GDP but cant spread tht in any way (even thropugh capitialism) to ensure that all their population suffers. As we have all stated sommunism cant really work certainly not in past cases. Yet communism has never been tried properly; there were seven stages to Marxist principle no communist example completed more thn four of these. AS for them all bveing screwed up you wont be saying that if you need to speak mandarin to so business around the world (i understand they are not purely ommunist but they are a lot more than the US).

I cannot believe your teacher taught you half of those views if he did he is crap. But i expect especially if he has a degree in history he was able to tell you why communism broke down exactly what the real aims of communism are and at least give a balanced opinion as to how some non-(pure capitalist) countries can actually be slightly better than the US

On to the more recent discussion: I dont think all facist are socialist because whilst you are correct in how the terms originate chirondom, the terms are now used more commonly to differenciate from each other; a socialist state now means one in which the state makes extensive provision (the definition does not usually include oprresion associated with communism). Most countries now live in a mixed economy so some socialist ideas but some of free market as well. The US are as near to capitalism as you can get without causing too much unrest; here it is important to distinguish between markets and in the US there many free market markets both good and bad.

I shall give my opinion on that marxist-communist thing. Communist tried to be marxist; failed cooould not fulfill what marx predicted but even so they still attempted and tried to follow priinciple then got corrupted.

Are you a complete idiot? Communism = Gay-AIDs

The bad kind of gay AIDS aswell.

lol im not saying i support it but to completely dismiss it as any kind of form of politics of economics is stupid.

boberz wrote:...

You do realise DM is, as we say in the UK, taking the piss?

Guiscard wrote:

boberz wrote:...

You do realise DM is, as we say in the UK, taking the piss?

Well, not really....just his poor knowledge of economics and political philosophy limits him to this sort of tongue-in-cheek rant which is of ambiguous nature so as to be able to deny his positions when they systematically dismantled.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

boberz wrote:...

You do realise DM is, as we say in the UK, taking the piss?

Well, not really....just his poor knowledge of economics and political philosophy limits him to this sort of tongue-in-cheek rant which is of ambiguous nature so as to be able to deny his positions when they systematically dismantled.

You can talk!

Guiscard wrote:

boberz wrote:...

You do realise DM is, as we say in the UK, taking the piss?

So that's were your life went wrong. Not knowing when people are being serious or not.

firth4eva wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

boberz wrote:...

You do realise DM is, as we say in the UK, taking the piss?

So that's were your life went wrong. Not knowing when people are being serious or not.

Guiscard wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

boberz wrote:...

You do realise DM is, as we say in the UK, taking the piss?

Well, not really....just his poor knowledge of economics and political philosophy limits him to this sort of tongue-in-cheek rant which is of ambiguous nature so as to be able to deny his positions when they systematically dismantled.

You can talk!

well...yes...frech people can actually talk as well, believe it or not

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

boberz wrote:...

You do realise DM is, as we say in the UK, taking the piss?

Well, not really....just his poor knowledge of economics and political philosophy limits him to this sort of tongue-in-cheek rant which is of ambiguous nature so as to be able to deny his positions when they systematically dismantled.

You can talk!

well...yes...frech people can actually talk as well, believe it or not

Although apparently spelling isn't a strong point...

Disclaimer: I am generally an atrocious typer. There are hundreds of inaccurate spellings to be found through a quick browse of my myriad posts.

Keep it on topic boys or I will have you banned for thread jacking

Marx and Engels created 'Communism' with the express purpose of evening the playing-field for them (2 penniless, unattractive boffins with no social skills) in order to get a shag!

Engles was quoted c. 1845 "It's a well known fact that the rich bastards get all the girls!" therefore the only way to change the currency of sex to being knowledge based, was to undermine the basis of capitalism.

These two horny little nerds have played the greatest retaliatory, practical-joke upon humankind and its preoccupation with wealth and beauty over intellect in history!

Moreover, with their keystone definition of the 'Means of production' they even left us with a pun to mock us from the grave!

is he joking i cant work it out; and im so confused now were you calling mine tounge-in-cheek rant with poor knowledge of political philosophy. And systematically dismantled, if you were i will come back but im confused where this is all going

boberz wrote:is he joking i cant work it out; and im so confused now were you calling mine tounge-in-cheek rant with poor knowledge of political philosophy. And systematically dismantled, if you were i will come back but im confused where this is all going

no, no! I'm referring to Dancing Retard.

good good; sorry for misunderstanding.

Now communism vs anything other than communism

The U.S. is FASCIST not capitalist therefore,according to your argument, the U.S is a socialist state Your argument is very amusing.

LOL LOL LOL IM A EUROPEAN WHOSE NEVER BEEN TO THE US AND SINCE THEY'VE GOT A FUCKING STUPID PRESIDENT THEY'RE FASCIST LOL

No.

The US is imperialist. A grave threat to world peace, but the US is no more fascist than the British Empire was.

And yes, the US actually has several very socialist tendencies. We do have a welfare state, kind of, which makes us at least semi-socialist.

The only point of your argument is to make controversial statements and not back them up. Learn to debate.

boberz wrote:Communists dont believe in economics; that is completely hilarious. So all you learn about in any economics class is free market economics, either your teaching is crap or you dont listen. Of course economics is highly relevent to communism; Marx himself wazs debateably one of the best economists before John M Keynes. Communists do not believe in giving the poor your money, they believe in taking your money and building a hospital for everyone. It requires a complete rewiring of the human brain to see you would be working for the state not the individual. Whilst i agree with mass opinion it doesnt work your understanding of it is ompletely swayed towards the capitalist side. I can give you a more longwinded technical answet to the economics question if you want but i dont think you would like it

That is absolutely crazy! Communists do not believe in economics because they do not care about making money!!! They only care about throwing their money to retards who were too lazy to set their alarms to wake them up in the morning. That is why people in Russia had to queue for days to buy shoes. Shoes that were crap and made out of cardboard! Do you really want to wear crappy cardboard shoes all of your life? Did Lee Iacocca wear shoes made of cardboard? I don't think so!!!!

How can you even say that a government that makes cardboard shoes believes in economics! You must have the worst teacher in the world, I bet he has Alzheimer's and loves Stalin and has pictures of Stalin on his wall because he loves him so much.

I have already explained that communism is worse than the worst two diseases in the history of the world put together, and how it is a crime against god. How do you not understand yet? Communism is just like devil-worship but without churches and done by governments. That's why Marx chose red as the communist party colour, because it is the devil's colour and because it is the devils type of politics where good hard working Christian people are rounded up and sent to FEMA camps and have to give their money to lazy people who hate our constitution and want to see it ripped up and burned and even now will vote for people who will do that.

f*ck communism to hell! I can't believe that you are too blind to read all of the good reasons I have shown you that communism is retarded and sucks harder than a vacuum cleaner! I am amazed that all of you are sheeple and think I am joking when I show you why communism is retarded. Why does nobody else have the courage and stand up to the menace of communism that is trying to kill our way of life and our constitution and our country? If you love communism and Stalin then you must be retarded as communism is!!!!!

Dancing Mouseturd, unable to defend his beloved communo-bolshevik views in accordance with his membership to the masonic funded international faggotry is reduced to patheic attempts at humour, misinterpreted by some as genuine arguments, so lacking in wit and so similar to the usual ignorant tone of this particular malodorous runt were they.

The US is fascist oligarchy,a coalition between the military industrial complex and the political class,no different than Nazi Germany.Yes the US is an imperialist power but that doesn't preclude it from being a fascist state.To call America a democracy is a bad joke.Your elections are a case of pass the parcel.For all your rhetoric your Presidents are so in the corporations pockets that nothing is achieved.The US is a one party state. Except on very minor issues the Republicans and Democrats are interchangeable.American infrastructure is falling to pieces and your healthcare for millions of your citizens is deplorable.Your government spends only enough to stave off civil unrest and employs a propaganda machine to con them that they live in the best of all possible worlds.Its a good job they are mostly stay at home types.You love your flags and parades,your pretty uniforms.It could almost be Nuremburg on Saturday night circa 1936.Lets not forget your secret police lifting moslem citizens off your streets to torture outside of your legal system.Your concentration camps in faraway places,moslem/jew a different scapegoat a different time.Of course you are probably an ubermensche living in a nietzschean heaven

Dancing Mustard wrote:

boberz wrote:Communists dont believe in economics; that is completely hilarious. So all you learn about in any economics class is free market economics, either your teaching is crap or you dont listen. Of course economics is highly relevent to communism; Marx himself wazs debateably one of the best economists before John M Keynes. Communists do not believe in giving the poor your money, they believe in taking your money and building a hospital for everyone. It requires a complete rewiring of the human brain to see you would be working for the state not the individual. Whilst i agree with mass opinion it doesnt work your understanding of it is ompletely swayed towards the capitalist side. I can give you a more longwinded technical answet to the economics question if you want but i dont think you would like it

That is absolutely crazy! Communists do not believe in economics because they do not care about making money!!! They only care about throwing their money to retards who were too lazy to set their alarms to wake them up in the morning. That is why people in Russia had to queue for days to buy shoes. Shoes that were crap and made out of cardboard! Do you really want to wear crappy cardboard shoes all of your life? Did Lee Iacocca wear shoes made of cardboard? I don't think so!!!!

How can you even say that a government that makes cardboard shoes believes in economics! You must have the worst teacher in the world, I bet he has Alzheimer's and loves Stalin and has pictures of Stalin on his wall because he loves him so much.

I have already explained that communism is worse than the worst two diseases in the history of the world put together, and how it is a crime against god. How do you not understand yet? Communism is just like devil-worship but without churches and done by governments. That's why Marx chose red as the communist party colour, because it is the devil's colour and because it is the devils type of politics where good hard working Christian people are rounded up and sent to FEMA camps and have to give their money to lazy people who hate our constitution and want to see it ripped up and burned and even now will vote for people who will do that.

f*ck communism to hell! I can't believe that you are too blind to read all of the good reasons I have shown you that communism is retarded and sucks harder than a vacuum cleaner! I am amazed that all of you are sheeple and think I am joking when I show you why communism is retarded. Why does nobody else have the courage and stand up to the menace of communism that is trying to kill our way of life and our constitution and our country? If you love communism and Stalin then you must be retarded as communism is!!!!!

DM, is your last name by any chance Joseph McCarthy? You know this thread came just 50 years too late. So Communism sucks big time? Yes we know that. Why else "we" (we = people of former communist countries) would destroy Berlin Wall? But Communism as an idea wasn't as bas as you think.

So Communism sucks, but capitalism sucks too.
Bottom line: We (humans) haven't invented a good system that can satisfy all.

haha get ot DM you are joking at last, i struggle to read sarcasm so sorry if i took it too seriously earlier in the conversation

ignotus wrote:DM, is your last name by any chance Joseph McCarthy?

He has 2 surnames too?

Move over Ron Paul: there's a new 12 year old in town.

(also, Joe is here)

The1exile wrote:

ignotus wrote:DM, is your last name by any chance Joseph McCarthy?

He has 2 surnames too?

Move over Ron Paul: there's a new 12 year old in town.

(also, Joe is here)

Dancing Mustard - Name
Joseph McCarthy - Surname

He changed it 3 days ago.

1ngliz wrote:the US is fascist oligarchy,a coalition between the military industrial complex and the political class,no different than Nazi Germany.Yes the US is an imperialist power but that doesn't preclude it from being a fascist state.To call America a democracy is a bad joke.Your elections are a case of pass the parcel.For all your rhetoric your Presidents are so in the corporations pockets that nothing is achieved.The US is a one party state. Except on very minor issues the Republicans and Democrats are interchangeable.

I agree with you on those points about parties, but we are not fascist. The media is not tightly controlled by the state (though corporations basically can censor news, but technically that can occur anywhere), we have freedom of speech, the right to be armed, the right o dissent, etc. If the US was fascist, I would not be able to make this post.