Conquer Club

It can be if you switch him with the doc if the doc is protecting the cop.

Hmm. I'm a bit surprised to see busdriver here as even if it is of course a pro-town role it's probably the one most likely to screw town in this kind of game. Misleading cop, causing protected people to die, etc... Sorry Neoteny but I don't think it's a valuable asset to town regardless of your alignment.
Unvote Vote Neoteny

Sorry, just to be clear. I meant unvote neotony, ie i dont want to vote for neotony

UNVOTE NEOTONY

why should we vote off the town? He is pro-town! And we know. If he switches mafia with a target of the mafia he can kill mafia.

Its madness to vote for neotony, if he's telling the truth.
Anyone know how experienced he is?
If he is new, then hes definitely innocent.
There can be surely no good reason for killing pro town, even if the bus driver isnt that great a role-we need all the town we can.

timmytuttut88 wrote:why should we vote off the town? He is pro-town! And we know. If he switches mafia with a target of the mafia he can kill mafia.

We don't know that he's the bus driver! He could be a mafia scum!

Moreover, like someone said, what if he switches the vigilante or the doctor or something?

@suggs - I'm desperate for a lynch because of all the reasons I stated before.

We still haven't gotten a clear picture as to what the "bus driver" is, all we got was a "yea, I can create havoc later". Doesn't seem like a very valuable member of society...

Anyway, anyone with their back up against the wall can make up a role. Hell, it wasn't even a well-constructed role, it was more like a desperate attempt at a vague claim.

We need this lynch. What happens if we mess up the Day 2 lynch and get the doctor or the cop or something? Then we're down 2 people, and it's even worse if Neoteny was scum and we let him get away by one vote. We're going to be kicking ourselves come Day 2 when the only clue we'll have is that one of our own got killed last night, this lynch gives us a clue and eliminates someone who's looking scummier by the second...

Moreover, like I said before, inexperienced ppl can lie as well. The lynch is a risk worth taking.

I think that a Day 1 lynch is essential for clues. Waffling on the issue will just mean that we run the risk of letting scum slip free, and if we screw up the Day 2 lynch then that's 3 of us dead, that's really hard to come back from. If we screw up this one, that's two of us dead, and we have a better chance of lynching a scum on Day 2.

Neoteny has like 7 votes (vote count please?). We need a lynch, regardless of what the victim claims as their role, even secret magical ecuadorian princess. Action is better than no action until we get more clues.

timmytuttut88 wrote:why should we vote off the town? He is pro-town! And we know. If he switches mafia with a target of the mafia he can kill mafia.

Yes but what if he switches with a town target. He could be more trouble then he's worth. He could screw up peoples investigations.

It's like having spiders in your roof. They might kill of all the other pesky insects but they might just infest the house. Random role like these either make or break a side.

Yes, but we want to lynch SCUM, remember?

I hear you Will about the bus driver not maybe being great-but better to lynch a scum, than pro town, surely?

I think we'd be nuts to vote for Neotony.
Of course, if he turns out to be scum, I'll frigging well...have a paddy!

suggs wrote:Yes, but we want to lynch SCUM, remember?

I hear you Will about the bus driver not maybe being great-but better to lynch a scum, than pro town, surely?

I think we'd be nuts to vote for Neotony.
Of course, if he turns out to be scum, I'll frigging well...have a paddy!

He's the scummies one we've got so far.

Here are the possible routes:

Neoteny is scum and we lynch him - obviously the best route.
Neoteny is scum and we don't lynch him - we'd be responsible for our own demise...
Neoteny is busdriver and we lynch him - for all the reason's stated above, this is not all that bad
Neoteny is busdriver and we don't lynch him - we're back to square one, but we retain a townsman.

Sorta like Pascal's wager, except it won't convert any atheists...

Neoteny is officially back at -1.

I'll do a proper vote count later, but the above is correct.

jecko7 wrote:

suggs wrote:Yes, but we want to lynch SCUM, remember?

I hear you Will about the bus driver not maybe being great-but better to lynch a scum, than pro town, surely?

I think we'd be nuts to vote for Neotony.
Of course, if he turns out to be scum, I'll frigging well...have a paddy!

He's the scummies one we've got so far.

Here are the possible routes:

Neoteny is scum and we lynch him - obviously the best route.
Neoteny is scum and we don't lynch him - we'd be responsible for our own demise...
Neoteny is busdriver and we lynch him - for all the reason's stated above, this is not all that bad
Neoteny is busdriver and we don't lynch him - we're back to square one, but we retain a townsman.

Sorta like Pascal's wager, except it won't convert any atheists...

I don't think Pascal's wager will convert any atheists. But anyhow, I'm pretty inexperienced, but that of course doesn't mean I'm above lying. Anyhow, I can't help but Unvote Vote: jecko for pushing as hard as he is. Maybe it just seems vocal because there was a lot of conversation while I was away, but it just looks scummy to me. You guys will see if you lynch me.

And, are you guys seriously not going to lynch if someone makes a pro-town roleclaim? Because if not, this game could go on for a while...

Let's pray to god that the cop doesn't get lynched tonight, because I don't think that this town will get anywhere unless someone roleclaims and gives us a scum.

Also, if he's going to stay alive, could I have some clarification on the "bus driver"? I'm still not 100% sure what he does.

Thanks!

Aye, what's this called, an OMGS vote or something?

I have no votes on me, and suddenly neoteny votes for me for advocating lynching him....seems a little scummy to me, but I can tell I'm not going to be able to prove anything without an investigation by a cop...

Don't say I didn't warn you!

jecko7 wrote:And, are you guys seriously not going to lynch if someone makes a pro-town roleclaim? Because if not, this game could go on for a while...

Let's pray to god that the cop doesn't get lynched tonight, because I don't think that this town will get anywhere unless someone roleclaims and gives us a scum.

Also, if he's going to stay alive, could I have some clarification on the "bus driver"? I'm still not 100% sure what he does.

Thanks!

I switch two characters during the night phase. What would happen to one would happen to the other.

Neoteny wrote:

jecko7 wrote:And, are you guys seriously not going to lynch if someone makes a pro-town roleclaim? Because if not, this game could go on for a while...

Let's pray to god that the cop doesn't get lynched tonight, because I don't think that this town will get anywhere unless someone roleclaims and gives us a scum.

Also, if he's going to stay alive, could I have some clarification on the "bus driver"? I'm still not 100% sure what he does.

Thanks!

I switch two characters during the night phase. What would happen to one would happen to the other.

So if the cop investigated player A, and you switched the cop and player A, the cop would learn his own alignment?

This doesn't sound like a very well-thought-out-role

Neoteny wrote:

jecko7 wrote:
Also, if he's going to stay alive, could I have some clarification on the "bus driver"? I'm still not 100% sure what he does.

Thanks!

I switch two characters during the night phase. What would happen to one would happen to the other.

To give you an example During the night Neoteny swaps Person A with Person B.
Person A is targetted by the Mafia/Vig, but instead of killing person A, Person B is Killed.
The Doc/Cop had chosen to protect/investigate person B but instead (unbeknown to them) they protect/investigate person A

trips definition is good....pretty much any actions that would be directed at the 2 who are switched are changed

Ok having read everything I have to say I am inclined to believe that Neoteny is telling the truth and is indeed a Bus Driver, as I don't see why someone (whatever their real allegiance) would make up a role that could possibly be a hindrance to the town and therefore make them more expendable.

And I may be wrong in this, so it would nice to get some clarification from Neo himself, but I assume he doesn't HAVE to use his power every night if he doesn't want to - which seeing as it could cause havoc for the town might be a wise move.

Right now I think you are sounding far scummier Jecko, with your eagerness to get Neo lynched, but I'll withhold my vote on you until we hear back from Neo regarding whether he has to use his power every night.

Tripitaka wrote:Ok having read everything I have to say I am inclined to believe that Neoteny is telling the truth and is indeed a Bus Driver, as I don't see why someone (whatever their real allegiance) would make up a role that could possibly be a hindrance to the town and therefore make them more expendable.

And I may be wrong in this, so it would nice to get some clarification from Neo himself, but I assume he doesn't HAVE to use his power every night if he doesn't want to - which seeing as it could cause havoc for the town might be a wise move.

Right now I think you are sounding far scummier Jecko, with your eagerness to get Neo lynched, but I'll withhold my vote on you until we hear back from Neo regarding whether he has to use his power every night.

The wording I got leads me to believe that I have the option to do so. It is not required for me to use my power. I don't imagine that using my power before night two would be prudent as I'm only running on limited info.

i say use it...it can screw around with mafia as well

lord voldemort wrote:i say use it...it can screw around with mafia as well

I suppose it depends on how much info I get on day one. Perhaps I'll use it on jecko and see what happens.

I've now realised that so that neotony is an experienced player, sp that increases my suspicion a bit. All it means is that there is more chance is faking his claim-I'm not saying we shoukd vote for him, just a bit more inclined than i was.

Is he allowed to copy and paste his PM so we have real hard evidence?

suggs wrote:I've now realised that so that neotony is an experienced player, sp that increases my suspicion a bit. All it means is that there is more chance is faking his claim-I'm not saying we shoukd vote for him, just a bit more inclined than i was.

Is he allowed to copy and paste his PM so we have real hard evidence?

no quoting his pm...only loose paraphrasing

To clarify things: nobody has to use his or her night actions. Whether you want to use them, is entirely up to you. But if you don't, send me a PM at night saying you don't want to do anything, so we don't have to wait until the deadline to move on to the day scene.

LoVo is correct: no quoting of the PM (it's in the rules). The only part that's quotable is your role. The rest, you may describe in your own words.

Vote Count:

ga7 (aka Frenchie): 1 (Tripitaka)
Neoteny: 7 (Inkl0sed, jecko7, darth emperor, Kalishnikov, Militant, William18, ga7)
Lord Voldemort: 2 (Mandyb, Snowpepsi)
William18: 1 (Timmytuttut)
jecko7: Neoteny

14 alive, 8 to lynch.

Neoteny is again at -1. Deadline 3 1/2 hours from now, around noon EST (GMT -5)