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Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:50 am
by jiminski
KLOBBER wrote:jiminski wrote:...everyone is bored already?
Very.
heheh I suspected you may not be able to resist Klobby!
You can of course add to the excitement with some interjections worthy of your rank or you can just not read the thread to assuage your malcontent and dissatisfaction?
At present you are doing neither and only posting meaningless comments with no purpose other than to diminish the thread and set it off-track.
Now there is a name for that behaviour Klobby.... can you think of it?
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:50 am
by wicked
I'm not playing devil's advocate jim, just stating CC has never required anything be in English ever. The only thing close to a language requirement is that all alliances must be made in a language understood by all in the game. You'll notice that doesn't say English. We have and want to promote and support as much as possible, an international community here. We get some etickets completely in French, for example. We have multilingual staff. If we can't translate, we find someone who can. MarVal has his finger on the pulse of the international community here, and I'm guessing has a network of contacts for each language. Perhaps you can PM him to get his comments?
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:55 am
by jiminski
wicked wrote:I'm not playing devil's advocate jim, just stating CC has never required anything be in English ever. The only thing close to a language requirement is that all alliances must be made in a language understood by all in the game. You'll notice that doesn't say English. We have and want to promote and support as much as possible, an international community here. We get some etickets completely in French, for example. We have multilingual staff. If we can't translate, we find someone who can. MarVal has his finger on the pulse of the international community here, and I'm guessing has a network of contacts for each language. Perhaps you can PM him to get his comments?
sorry Wicked, I did ask how it worked but you have more to deal with than just this thread.
Do you think that my solution could work, with the dissatisfied recipient ticking a box (in the draft comment automatically sent) to send it to a specific language forum for Community moderation?
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:59 am
by Soloman
I know this is going to draw multiple attacks but what is the point of this suggestion? We just got rid of comments why in the world would that want to reinstate that insanity as an addition to the new system? I know change is hard but if people would just use the system as it was intended there would be no complaints. I started to read this whole thread ad it went off on so many tangents it seemed pointless so I will just reply to the initial idea. Read the ratings, learn the ratings use the rating properly and you will like and possibly love them. It seems like there are a vocal few either against them or intent on misusing the standards in place, that minority was in place the old system and would be in place if it were to change again(although I will be 1st to admit the membership may change with each convrsion)...
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:09 am
by KLOBBER
jiminski wrote:...diminish the thread and set it off-track.
This thread has no value to diminish, and it never was on-track.
It is basically one member with a lame idea that nobody is interested in but him, trying desperately to artificially generate some interest where there is only boredom.
This idea is useless and idiotic, and it will never be implemented, for too many reasons to bother listing here in completion.
The new rating system is excellent. It is possibly the single most valuable improvement to this site in the last year, and it is also brand-new. The moderators and administrators must be delighted with it, as it must decrease their workload by a huge margin.
For those reasons alone, you are fighting a losing battle -- you lost this battle before you began it, and nobody has any interest in your idea except you. You are attempting to swim upstream here, sparky, and my mild disdain for you is beginning to transform into pity at this point.
Give it up.
Just give it up.
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Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:09 am
by jiminski
Soloman wrote:I know this is going to draw multiple attacks but what is the point of this suggestion? We just got rid of comments why in the world would that want to reinstate that insanity as an addition to the new system? I know change is hard but if people would just use the system as it was intended there would be no complaints. I started to read this whole thread ad it went off on so many tangents it seemed pointless so I will just reply to the initial idea. Read the ratings, learn the ratings use the rating properly and you will like and possibly love them. It seems like there are a vocal few either against them or intent on misusing the standards in place, that minority was in place the old system and would be in place if it were to change again(although I will be 1st to admit the membership may change with each convrsion)...
hello mate,
the reason that the old system was replaced was mainly that it took too much of the sites time and labour to service.
So this was for the general aid of the site not specifically for improvement to the particular system.
Many people preferred the being able to comment; they liked the flexibility and personal aspect of being able to leave bespoke text.
What the proposal seeks to do is put something 'similar' but working within carefully designed guidelines back in place whilst not demanding extra man-hours from the site employees.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:15 am
by alster
jiminski wrote:hehe, what a sweet alliance:
AlesterGren and Klobber... brings a saline excretion to the virtual eye!
why are these 2 fine specimens allied in their hatred for Comments in feedback?
Well because they are both obnoxious and charmless? .. certainly!
But also because one is a Freestyle abuser of the worst kind, with multiple Neg feedbacks.
beautiful .. if you two stay we may yet get some progress getting this thing through!
LOL. Thank you. Glad to have made an impression.
But you prove my point; you have too much time on your hands. Seriously, take a look at your suggestion. It involves such a horrendous amount of administrative work. Input from the Community? It would be input from people who spend their time trolling the forums instead of playing games. “Keep it simple stupid.”
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:36 am
by jiminski
KLOBBER wrote:jiminski wrote:...diminish the thread and set it off-track.
This thread has no value to diminish, and it never was on-track.
It is basically one member with a lame idea that nobody is interested in but him, trying desperately to artificially generate some interest where there is only boredom.
This idea is useless and idiotic, and it will never be implemented, for too many reasons to bother listing here in completion.
The new rating system is excellent. It is possibly the single most valuable improvement to this site in the last year, and it is also brand-new. The moderators and administrators must be delighted with it, as it must decrease their workload by a huge margin.
For those reasons alone, you are fighting a losing battle -- you lost this battle before you began it, and nobody has any interest in your idea except you. You are attempting to swim upstream here, sparky, and my mild disdain for you is beginning to transform into pity at this point.
Give it up.
Just give it up.
well done Klobby,
thank you for mixing in your thoughts with a little dose of charm.
the New Rating system is flawed and requires certain additions. It leaves players open to people who manipulate the system.. blackmailing and offering blanket 5's by way of bribes to aid their own artificially high ratings.
the new system also does not allow for individuals to single out accumulated bad behaviour; behaviour which, under the examination of one game, may be deemed acceptable but under the examination of paradigm warrants a bad rating.
The Comment system seeks to run
along-side the star rating in order to give it context (amongst other things)
to say that the system is flawless and needs no improvement is ill-advised at best and at worst it reflects the attempts of those who most benefited from the new system:
those who do not play fair and within the spirit of the game.
We are merely trying to add extra checks and balances to counter this unfortunate movement which favours the disreputable and which undermines the information of the Feedback system.
What the Community Moderated system asks to do should not be particularly controversial as
it solves the man-power problem and only adds to the existing Ratings. Provided we can work out the logistics and basis of comment moderation, what we propose is a no-lose, only gain addition for the average, fair-minded player.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:04 pm
by KLOBBER
Jimmy, I am as surprised as you may be to find out the following:
You have actually convinced me!
Your last post was so insightful and stuffed with useful info that I have decided to "come over to the dark side," to coin a phrase. Now that I'm convinced, your uphill battle may be closer to like 1.30% accomplished, as opposed to its former .001%. That's a start, anyway! I think your idea has a greater likelihood of making some kind of progress, some time in the future, with my enthusiastic help and support.
So, what's the game-plan here, anyway? Now that I'm fully on-board with your idea, I'd like to get down to brass tacks and get this puppy implemented as soon as possible. Give some orders, Cap'n -- your one-man crew is poised and ready to spring into action!
Shall we beg to have this thread moved to an area where more people will see it again? I don't know if that helped last time, but it may be worth another try. I am more than willing to beg on your behalf, if you think that moving the thread around may somehow help this time. Maybe if more than three people beg this time, then we'll get it into Flame Wars, or whatever. Worth a shot?
I suppose if we can somehow artificially generate some interest in this idea, and get more people to bother voting than the scant 95 who have voted so far, then we may just see our campaign all that much closer to being taken seriously by someone, anyone, anywhere, whose opinion actually matters. Hasn't that been your angle so far, Jimmy?
Hey -- I wonder if it's possible to change my vote -- that might actually make a miniscule difference! Just a thought.
Whew -- this ain't easy, brother! I'm tired already, and I'm beginning to understand how difficult this campaign must have been for you thus far. Still, you can count on my unflinching support from now on!
Oh, and one more thing....
Good luck!
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:18 pm
by jiminski
KLOBBER wrote:Jimmy, I am as surprised as you may be to find out the following:
You have actually convinced me!
I stopped there with a little tear in my eye!
good stuff mate, nice to have you on-board.
I may come and join some of those Circus Maximus games as a showing of new found fraternity!
Honestly i agree, i think that with community moderation we gain the ability to personalise feedback and fine-tune it as a tool.
At the same time we involve the users of the site more and give an extra dimension.
And all without calling on the Staff of the site to do more work.
It really does perfect the already very good Star system.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:23 pm
by KLOBBER
Gotta be honest with you, Jimmy-boy. You kinda lost me with that last post.
Sometimes it's better to just quit while you're ahead. Loose lips sink ships, and all that jolly rot, eh, matey?
Anyhoo, I'm back to my former stance on this issue. It was nice working with you, even for such a short time!
BTW, you are currently on my foes list, and so unfortunately, the site will not allow you to join in any games in which I'm a player.
You may be able to find another member somewhere on the site who is willing to play with you, however.
Again,
Good luck!
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:32 pm
by jiminski
KLOBBER wrote:
BTW, you are currently on my foes list, and so unfortunately, the site will not allow you to join in any games in which I'm a player.
heheh .. now there is a surprise.. what with you only playing your multi's and people on their first day and all...
well, if you do change your mind and wish to actually play a game with an opponent, i am always here for you sweety.
Back to thread, So this is a no lose system which allows us to comment and maintain the new system. As far as i can asses, we have worked all the bugs out of the proposal.
Does anyone have a genuine flaw to examine?
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:55 pm
by KLOBBER
Jimmy's post, above, is full of lies.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:42 pm
by wrestler1ump
The problem with this idea is that people would still abuse the system. I have gotten so many b.s. negative feedbacks that the mods refuse to delete, and the same would be true if they had a comment system to go with the ratings.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:01 pm
by jiminski
wrestler1ump wrote:The problem with this idea is that people would still abuse the system. I have gotten so many b.s. negative feedbacks that the mods refuse to delete, and the same would be true if they had a comment system to go with the ratings.
did you read it wreslter? the comment goes to the recipient for approval before it is live.
If the recipient does not approve then it goes for Community Moderation. So if it is deemed to be unfair by the community it would be rejected.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:04 pm
by KLOBBER
wrestler1ump wrote:The problem with this idea is that people would still abuse the system. I have gotten so many b.s. negative feedbacks that the mods refuse to delete, and the same would be true if they had a comment system to go with the ratings.
You are correct.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:45 pm
by jiminski
jiminski wrote:wrestler1ump wrote:The problem with this idea is that people would still abuse the system. I have gotten so many b.s. negative feedbacks that the mods refuse to delete, and the same would be true if they had a comment system to go with the ratings.
did you read it wreslter? the comment goes to the recipient for approval before it is live.
If the recipient does not approve then it goes for Community Moderation. So if it is deemed to be unfair by the community it would be rejected.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:21 pm
by ruffydogg
Don't quite know where this fis in, but here's a great example of abuse of the new system. At least with the old system, you had some clue as to the true nature of the feedback by reading the text. ie an asshole leaving negetive feedback usually indicated he was the asshole rather than the recipient by what he/she wrote. This guy is leaving negetive feedback for everyone just for kicks.
2008-06-23 18:42:54 - Psudo: I've been burned in every game i've played since they changed the rating system when i was a 15-0, i got 1 stars from people that never even talked in chat, i dislike this rating system so I'm leaving 1s for everone till they change it.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:34 pm
by KLOBBER
ruffydogg wrote:Don't quite know where this fis in, but here's a great example of abuse of the new system. At least with the old system, you had some clue as to the true nature of the feedback by reading the text. ie an asshole leaving negetive feedback usually indicated he was the asshole rather than the recipient by what he/she wrote. This guy is leaving negetive feedback for everyone just for kicks.
2008-06-23 18:42:54 - Psudo: I've been burned in every game i've played since they changed the rating system when i was a 15-0, i got 1 stars from people that never even talked in chat, i dislike this rating system so I'm leaving 1s for everone till they change it.
Hey, thanks for the heads-up! I'm just the opposite of the member you quoted; I love the new system, and I'm giving out all 5's, because I know that it won't be changing back to the old lame system.
I will be sure to put the guy you quoted on my foes list, though, and never play a game with him.
All 5's means all excellent, and it is my goal to make arrangements for all exchanges that I have with each and every member on this site to be mutually "excellent" in every category. This is a much more positive approach to the new rating system than the one stated by the guy you quoted, and it is working out quite well for me so far.
I think the one or two complainers on the site in regards to the new system know themselves pretty well, and they know that the new system will be an accurate reflection of their lack of skill, lack of social graces, and lack of general intelligence. That's why they want it changed.
Those of us who like the new ratings system know that our good qualities will be reflected in it, and so naturally, we're "happy as clams" with the fortunate way things are working out.
Thanks, Conquer Club!
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:36 pm
by hulmey
KLOBBER wrote:ruffydogg wrote:Don't quite know where this fis in, but here's a great example of abuse of the new system. At least with the old system, you had some clue as to the true nature of the feedback by reading the text. ie an asshole leaving negetive feedback usually indicated he was the asshole rather than the recipient by what he/she wrote. This guy is leaving negetive feedback for everyone just for kicks.
2008-06-23 18:42:54 - Psudo: I've been burned in every game i've played since they changed the rating system when i was a 15-0, i got 1 stars from people that never even talked in chat, i dislike this rating system so I'm leaving 1s for everone till they change it.
Hey, thanks for the heads-up! I'm just the opposite of the member you quoted; I love the new system, and I'm giving out all 5's, because I know that it won't be changing back to the old lame system.
I will be sure to put the guy you quoted on my foes list, though, and never play a game with him.
All 5's means all excellent, and it is my goal to make arrangements for all exchanges that I have with each and every member on this site to be mutually "excellent" in every category. This is a much more positive approach to the new rating system than the one stated by the guy you quoted, and it is working out quite well for me so far.
Ive also noticed that you only leave feedback for new recruits!!
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:56 pm
by jiminski
hulmey wrote:KLOBBER wrote:ruffydogg wrote:Don't quite know where this fis in, but here's a great example of abuse of the new system. At least with the old system, you had some clue as to the true nature of the feedback by reading the text. ie an asshole leaving negetive feedback usually indicated he was the asshole rather than the recipient by what he/she wrote. This guy is leaving negetive feedback for everyone just for kicks.
2008-06-23 18:42:54 - Psudo: I've been burned in every game i've played since they changed the rating system when i was a 15-0, i got 1 stars from people that never even talked in chat, i dislike this rating system so I'm leaving 1s for everone till they change it.
Hey, thanks for the heads-up! I'm just the opposite of the member you quoted; I love the new system, and I'm giving out all 5's, because I know that it won't be changing back to the old lame system.
I will be sure to put the guy you quoted on my foes list, though, and never play a game with him.
All 5's means all excellent, and it is my goal to make arrangements for all exchanges that I have with each and every member on this site to be mutually "excellent" in every category. This is a much more positive approach to the new rating system than the one stated by the guy you quoted, and it is working out quite well for me so far.
Ive also noticed that you only leave feedback for new recruits!!
hehe yeah he gives 5's for attendance to deadbeats... it rather makes a mockery of this system he so loves.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:07 pm
by KLOBBER
hulmey wrote:Ive also noticed that you only leave feedback for new recruits!!
That is a lie.
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:08 pm
by hulmey
yeah and he has a 4.5 rating...It shouldnt be our job to check whether the system is working. Its failing and he is a prime example
*side note - im on his ignore list and I have never even played him lol
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:11 pm
by KLOBBER
I am determined to have mutually "excellent" exchanges (all 5's) with each and every member on the site with whom I play, in all categories. There is nothing wrong with this, and this mutual excellence shall be reflected in my ratings, both the ones I leave and the ones I receive.
It's working out very well so far, and I highly recommend this very positive, "win-win" situation for everyone on the site!
Of course, each member is free to approach the ratings system according to his own personality, as I am free to approach it according to mine.
In any case, the new ratings system ROCKS!
Thanks, Conquer Club!
Re: FEEDBACK COMMENT - Community moderation
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:17 pm
by hulmey
KLOBBER wrote:I am determined to have mutually "excellent" exchanges (all 5's) with each and every member on the site with whom I play, in all categories. There is nothing wrong with this, and this mutual excellence shall be reflected in my ratings, both the ones I leave and the ones I receive.
It's working out very well so far, and I highly recommend this very positive, "win-win" situation for everyone on the site!
Of course, each member is free to approach the ratings system according to his own personality, as I am free to approach it according to mine.
In any case, the new ratings system ROCKS!
Thanks, Conquer Club!
how about i get you a ban?