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jesus christ how am i supposed to answer to all that.. and on the phone.

i know about the congress and the glass steagal
i just read today.

by intentions i meant something more general. believe me i dont think the wall is something i'm allowed to object (although i happen to be a us citizen as well but i dont live there). my issue with the wall is the bullying and the stupid argument that mexicans are one of the cores of the US economic problems. for many reasons.. for instance, i believe india has taken more jobs than mexico, and those automotor jobs are also taken by robots. besides, illegal immigrants are great for the US economy as well, as they do the job for less, jobs that americans dont want.

but putting all that aside, it's your right to want to change it, just dont come threating your partner in trade for many years.

it's simpleton rethoric aimed to the angry, fearful people that voted for him. and it's then something those who can think, a little at least, stupid.

the muslim thing is also a shame, he could've accomplished the same without the need of denigrating the religion and those who followed it. sounds like the same kind of arguments nazism used against the jews.. weren't most of the 9/11 hijackers from saudi arabia? why not ban them too?

america has the power to do whatever they want, just dont expect the rest of the world to agree with you. you dont get to be a bully and claim
moral highground.


sorry if i didnt respond to everything.. im
on the phone.

nietzsche wrote:
i know about the congress and the glass steagal
i just read today.

Then why did you say it was Bush who repealed it?

neitz wrote: my issue with the wall is the bullying and the stupid argument that mexicans are one of the cores of the US economic problems. for many reasons.. for instance, i believe india has taken more jobs than mexico, and those automotor jobs are also taken by robots. besides, illegal immigrants are great for the US economy as well, as they do the job for less, jobs that americans dont want.

Now THAT is a valid argument. I happen to agree.
Do you think to show your disagreement with that warrants going out rioting, smashing, burning and assaulting people though?

neitz wrote: just dont come threating your partner in trade for many years.

That's a valid point.
Did you express your displeasure when Obama threatened Britain in an attempt to influence their Brexit vote?
(Remember the "you go to the back of the line" statement he made?)
The US regularly threatens, under every administration. Something I don't like either.

neitz wrote:it's simpleton rethoric aimed to the angry, fearful people that voted for him. and it's then something those who can think, a little at least, stupid.

Sigh. You wonder how Trump got elected. When there are people who have legitimate concerns about immigration, trade, and other issues that you don't agree with and ignore them by calling them stupid and fearful. Those people end up voting for someone like Trump. Congrats, your attitude is why Trump won.

neitz wrote:the muslim thing is also a shame, he could've accomplished the same without the need of denigrating the religion and those who followed it. sounds like the same kind of arguments nazism used against the jews.. weren't most of the 9/11 hijackers from saudi arabia? why not ban them too?

Hitler? Seriously? So enacting a temporary travel ban is worse than bombing them like Obama did every single day of his administration? By your reasoning you should also be comparing Obama and Bush jr to Hitler. You may go ahead and do so right now.

neitz wrote:america has the power to do whatever they want, just dont expect the rest of the world to agree with you. you dont get to be a bully and claim
moral highground.

The US has no moral highground. You think the fanatical critics of Trump have the moral highground either?

neitz wrote:sorry if i didnt respond to everything..

S'ok. Any point you don't respond to we'll just consider you conceding to.

I find it odd that people are concentrating on Trump's "threats" to the US' trading partners and yet don't say a word about Trump's threats to the US' enemies which is far more disturbing. I haven't seen word one of protest from Trump's threats to Iran and Iran's response.

You want something to lose sleep over, delve into that morass.

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:tragic day? this its exaggeration, and nothing big will change. Its propaganda who make all this apocalipse news about Trump .
If some US news write that tomorrow will be end of word panic will erupted in US. In my country after every parlament or president election things stay same- political party who came to power continue with nepotism and coruption and we get used to this. We even dont have any public figure who we can vote, and this now happend to US to. Clinton or Trump --you ask now watch

So, if I'm reading you right, Trump's US is to be considered equal in terms of Serbia, in your mind?

Trump US? why you dont say Obama US--Clinton US--BUsh US

are this president are better then Trump? Are Hilary Clinton better then Trump?
Between Trump and Clinton-Trump was less evil then Clinton for Serbians and this its facts. Like i say this its not tragic day, and who knows after 4 year maybe Trump presidency will be surprise and maybe he will be better then Obama-Clinton-Bush .

Qwert wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:tragic day? this its exaggeration, and nothing big will change. Its propaganda who make all this apocalipse news about Trump .
If some US news write that tomorrow will be end of word panic will erupted in US. In my country after every parlament or president election things stay same- political party who came to power continue with nepotism and coruption and we get used to this. We even dont have any public figure who we can vote, and this now happend to US to. Clinton or Trump --you ask now watch

So, if I'm reading you right, Trump's US is to be considered equal in terms of Serbia, in your mind?

Trump US? why you dont say Obama US--Clinton US--BUsh US

are this president are better then Trump? Are Hilary Clinton better then Trump?
Between Trump and Clinton-Trump was less evil then Clinton for Serbians and this its facts. Like i say this its not tragic day, and who knows after 4 year maybe Trump presidency will be surprise and maybe he will be better then Obama-Clinton-Bush .

Cause you serbians are brainwashed by Putin an you watch russia today all day.

betiko wrote:

Qwert wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:tragic day? this its exaggeration, and nothing big will change. Its propaganda who make all this apocalipse news about Trump .
If some US news write that tomorrow will be end of word panic will erupted in US. In my country after every parlament or president election things stay same- political party who came to power continue with nepotism and coruption and we get used to this. We even dont have any public figure who we can vote, and this now happend to US to. Clinton or Trump --you ask now watch

So, if I'm reading you right, Trump's US is to be considered equal in terms of Serbia, in your mind?

Trump US? why you dont say Obama US--Clinton US--BUsh US

are this president are better then Trump? Are Hilary Clinton better then Trump?
Between Trump and Clinton-Trump was less evil then Clinton for Serbians and this its facts. Like i say this its not tragic day, and who knows after 4 year maybe Trump presidency will be surprise and maybe he will be better then Obama-Clinton-Bush .

Cause you serbians are brainwashed by Putin an you watch russia today all day.

Russia has been a faithful ally of Serbia since the 19th Century. The loyalty goes both ways, but it has been earned.

Dukasaur wrote:

betiko wrote:

Qwert wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:tragic day? this its exaggeration, and nothing big will change. Its propaganda who make all this apocalipse news about Trump .
If some US news write that tomorrow will be end of word panic will erupted in US. In my country after every parlament or president election things stay same- political party who came to power continue with nepotism and coruption and we get used to this. We even dont have any public figure who we can vote, and this now happend to US to. Clinton or Trump --you ask now watch

So, if I'm reading you right, Trump's US is to be considered equal in terms of Serbia, in your mind?

Trump US? why you dont say Obama US--Clinton US--BUsh US

are this president are better then Trump? Are Hilary Clinton better then Trump?
Between Trump and Clinton-Trump was less evil then Clinton for Serbians and this its facts. Like i say this its not tragic day, and who knows after 4 year maybe Trump presidency will be surprise and maybe he will be better then Obama-Clinton-Bush .

Cause you serbians are brainwashed by Putin an you watch russia today all day.

Russia has been a faithful ally of Serbia since the 19th Century. The loyalty goes both ways, but it has been earned.

ergo my comment.. they are bff

Dukasaur wrote:

betiko wrote:

Qwert wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:tragic day? this its exaggeration, and nothing big will change. Its propaganda who make all this apocalipse news about Trump .
If some US news write that tomorrow will be end of word panic will erupted in US. In my country after every parlament or president election things stay same- political party who came to power continue with nepotism and coruption and we get used to this. We even dont have any public figure who we can vote, and this now happend to US to. Clinton or Trump --you ask now watch

So, if I'm reading you right, Trump's US is to be considered equal in terms of Serbia, in your mind?

Trump US? why you dont say Obama US--Clinton US--BUsh US

are this president are better then Trump? Are Hilary Clinton better then Trump?
Between Trump and Clinton-Trump was less evil then Clinton for Serbians and this its facts. Like i say this its not tragic day, and who knows after 4 year maybe Trump presidency will be surprise and maybe he will be better then Obama-Clinton-Bush .

Cause you serbians are brainwashed by Putin an you watch russia today all day.

Russia has been a faithful ally of Serbia since the 19th Century. The loyalty goes both ways, but it has been earned.

Serbia's been around since the 1800s? Damn, I thought the old man was only in his 30s.

-TG

1999 when Clinton bombard Serbia, Putin not exist .

patches:

about glass steagal) It was during the Bush administration. I understand it has to be with agreement of congress. Not sure if it was an initiative(public or not) of Bush or was something totally done from congress. I don't know also if congress was democrat or republican on majority. I don't know how really important this was on the 2008 crisis. It's simply my blurry understanding that presidents do have some sort of initiative and powers behind curtains, that influence other parts of government thru pacts and other shady means. So sometimes you can say that during their presidential terms, they direct the path of a country in many ways. Like with the "pact for mexico", most politicians from most parties agreed to do everything easily and quickly at the begining of Pena Nieto term, most likely to share the cake of bribes the oil companies gave them for the energetic reform (no proof at all here, just what i think). All that said the other parts of government often sabotage the president's intended direction only for political reasons too.

rioting) no, because rioting has victims. i would say, protesting is VERY important to let the government now that you are in the next phase of disagreement. when the government continue to do things against it's citizen wishes rioting is the necessary next step. or maybe there are steps in between but don't ask every citizen to know about lawful ways to stop something in tribunals or with documents or whatever.

obama brexit thing) i believe that even if britain was concerned, it's not the same level of concern when an 70 yo ecomaniac bullies and repeatedly threatens you. It's a LEGITIMATE concern that Trump could do something extremely foolish only because of his ego.

trump voters) here we will partially disagree but it will be an important disagreement. legitimate concerns are fine. believing in bogus solutions are stupid. people is discontent about something, they then believe is because of a certain reason without fully understanding all the branches. But then it comes an Orange guy telling you, "the economy is awful! those crooks took your jobs! I understand you. I was talking to a guy in line the other day and he told me a latin cut the line. an he was so loud!! rapist and drug lords. bad hombres. I'll send them all back. I WILL BUILD A WALL and they'll pay for it! and I'll get out of NAFTA because USA is getting fucked. worst deal ever. BELIEVE ME."

Now tell me, how does that address the real core of the problem? Is he really offering a solution? No he's not, he's just telling people what they want to hear. There's no going back to post ww2 economy for the US, those conditions are gone, the global economy and technology has changed everything. Doesn't mean you necessarily need to suffer economically, means that you have to change. You can be even richer, but it won't be repeating what you did in post ww2 times.

But to all these arguments the psyche is saying NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU because it already emotionally accepted Trump is the savior.

muslims thing) are you really that offended by what I said? the holocaust was such a horrible thing that we must be very, very careful. we learned that the human mind is capable of such a thing. the hatred has been building up after 9/11 needs to be stopped, not encouraged. didn't trump even mentioned that christians from those nations would be given preference? this is a very delicate issue. i'm not accusing trump of being hitler, i'm saying as potus he needs, he must be very careful with the way he expresses himself.

you didn't respond to the comment about saudi arabia and the 9/11 hijackers.


patches, my responses are more general than specific and informed. you drag me to this area and i respond out of respect because you've always been respectful. but it takes me a lot of time.. i do not enjoy it. i would like to go back to my way of expressing my discontent. thank you.

Qwert wrote:1999 when Clinton bombard Serbia, Putin not exist .

in 1999 he was head of the FSB and became president of the russian government. Yeah, he was really nobody! I guess he wasn't pulling any string on Eltsine who was such a vodka powerhouse!

nietz wrote:about glass steagal) It was during the Bush administration

Wrong, no it wasn't.


It was repealed during Bill "Blue dress" Clinton administration. Bush nor Bush Jr had anything to do with it's repeal. Nothing, zero, nada. I won't bother going into why GS was so important and why it had to go for the 2008 crash to happen.

Why do you keep saying it was Bush?

neatz wrote:you didn't respond to the comment about saudi arabia and the 9/11 hijackers.

I've always been pretty clear about the House of Saud. f*ck em. I'd clap a big ole clap if the US banned Saudis from the US. That won't ever happen, but the House of Saud are really, really bad guys IMO. The highjackers, what you wanna hear me say about them? I don't think about them, their souls burn in hell where they belong IMO.

patches70 wrote:

nietz wrote:about glass steagal) It was during the Bush administration

Wrong, no it wasn't.


It was repealed during Bill "Blue dress" Clinton administration. Bush nor Bush Jr had anything to do with it's repeal. Nothing, zero, nada. I won't bother going into why GS was so important and why it had to go for the 2008 crash to happen.

Why do you keep saying it was Bush?

neatz wrote:you didn't respond to the comment about saudi arabia and the 9/11 hijackers.

I've always been pretty clear about the House of Saud. f*ck em. I'd clap a big ole clap if the US banned Saudis from the US. That won't ever happen, but the House of Saud are really, really bad guys IMO. The highjackers, what you wanna hear me say about them? I don't think about them, their souls burn in hell where they belong IMO.

wow, then i misread it.

my question about the hijackers and saudia arabia is why didnt trump ban muslims from that country, if the majority of the hijackers came from there? it's rethoric, i know why he didn't.

nietzsche wrote:america has the power to do whatever they want, just dont expect the rest of the world to agree with you.

of course they'll agree

Countries that matter support the Reorganization Process.



Countries that don't will soon stop being countries.

Qwert wrote:Like i say this its not tragic day

судбина!

saxi has been reported for triple posting.

saxitoxin wrote:

nietzsche wrote:america has the power to do whatever they want, just dont expect the rest of the world to agree with you.

of course they'll agree

When did you become such a fan of America's gunboat diplomacy? Maybe I'm dreaming, but I thought you were once opposed to it.

Dukasaur wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

nietzsche wrote:america has the power to do whatever they want, just dont expect the rest of the world to agree with you.

of course they'll agree

When did you become such a fan of America's gunboat diplomacy? Maybe I'm dreaming, but I thought you were once opposed to it.

i was wondering about this, too...confusing, the mind of saxi is.

Dukasaur wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

nietzsche wrote:america has the power to do whatever they want, just dont expect the rest of the world to agree with you.

of course they'll agree

When did you become such a fan of America's gunboat diplomacy? Maybe I'm dreaming, but I thought you were once opposed to it.

I am a Neo-Gramscian. I'm not opposed to the U.S., I'm opposed to the Trans-National Historic Bloc. The U.S. is a member of the Trans-National Historic Bloc, therefore, I oppose the U.S. Russia is a member of the Counter-Hegemon (the eternal opponent of the Trans-National Historic Bloc), therefore, I support Russia.

However, now the U.S. is beginning the prophesized process of realignment toward the Counter-Hegemon in order to form a new Historic Bloc. Therefore, I now support the U.S.

If the process of reorganization is stopped or reversed, I will stop supporting the U.S. However, even if things go according to plan and the reorganization is not interrupted then, in a decade or so the U.S. will be part of a new Historic Bloc. And I will then start opposing the U.S. (and, in this situation, Russia too as the New Historic Bloc will be the Pax Russo-Americana). I am always opposed to the Historic Bloc, and always supportive of the Counter-Hegemon, regardless of which nations form them in any given time period.

ITT: saxi doesn't like anyone except Iran and North Korea

thegreekdog wrote:

Woodruff wrote:I feel reasonably comfortable that Hillary wouldn't, at the very least, nominate an unadulterated and unqualified trainwreck for the Secretary of Education post. That one scares the shit out of me.

Yeah, she's not unqualified Woodruff. Her "unqualification" results from her support of school choice. The Blue Team, which supports public school teacher unions, has determined that school choice and vouchers are bad, even though they benefit poor and black Americans to the extent that they are largely in favor of school choice. To avoid having you post more, yes, I have read all the bad things about her (like the Christian stuff and the stupid things she says), and it's irrelevant. Think about why the Blue Team is posting all the bad stuff about her. Think about what school choice does for poor black kids. I've seen it real time and I know it's ad hominem, but private schools and charter schools help these kids get a good education. Any Democrat worth his or her salt should be in favor of school choice because it helps poor American kids. But they aren't because public school teacher unions give them loads of loot. As you can probably tell, this whole thing disgusts me more than anything that Trump is currently doing. I'm very happy she's on the verge of being confirmed.

This really couldn't be further from the truth. I'm even a little shocked to hear you say it, because it shows a lack of critical thinking, which is something I've always thought you had in bundles.

School choice (particularly regarding vouchers) results in great things for those who have parents who are interested and involved in their childrens' educations. Unfortunately, those qualities are lacking in our poorer areas, for many reasons...not the least is that many of those parents DON'T HAVE TIME to be involved in their childrens' educations. The result of this inability is that those children who, through no choice or action of their own, will be relegated to schools that hold only those like them...the children of parents who are either not interested or just not involved (but many times both) in their childrens' education. These now-certainly-failing schools will be CREATED by school choice vouchers, and they will be a cesspool of poor results even for those students who desire to do well.

We would absolutely be failing a multitude of students, students who would be placed in that failing situation through no choice nor fault of their own.

patches70 wrote:Trump has done almost nothing since getting into office. You people should really save your indignation until he actually does something important and relevant.

He's created his cabinet. His cabinet, along with his choice as political advisor in Bannon, frankly scares the hell out of me. I think the Secretary of Defense is a good choice, but since the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the intelligence community are no longer considered mandatory attendees of the National Security Council (and after all, why would those two have anything relevant to add to that particular arena, especially in comparison to Steve Bannon, who will attend?), I'm not thinking that the Secretary of Defense is going to be treated by Trump as particularly relevant anyway.

Honestly, you come across as a fanboy. You're better than that, patches.

patches70 wrote:

nietzsche wrote:the muslim thing is also a shame, he could've accomplished the same without the need of denigrating the religion and those who followed it. sounds like the same kind of arguments nazism used against the jews.. weren't most of the 9/11 hijackers from saudi arabia? why not ban them too?

Hitler? Seriously? So enacting a temporary travel ban is worse than bombing them like Obama did every single day of his administration?

You do realize that Trump is using drone attacks as well, right? So you're trying to say that "temporary travel ban plus drone attacks" is not worse than "drone attacks"?

riskllama wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:of course they'll agree

When did you become such a fan of America's gunboat diplomacy? Maybe I'm dreaming, but I thought you were once opposed to it.

i was wondering about this, too...confusing, the mind of saxi is.

When did you guys stop recognizing that saxitoxin is, first and foremost, a troll?