Conquer Club

owenshooter wrote:wait.. JR is ripping on clans for babysitting accounts and how they manage their team games.. and here he is a charter member of the new pa-ho-nix clan?? (you have to have seen the commercial to get that phoenix joke)... HYPOCRITE to the nth degree!!!-0

not sure how i can be a hypocite if 1 game hasnt even been played yet. how do you know there is a person making all the moves if nothing has been played?

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1 player making 3 moves in a triples sequential game is the same as moving in a freestyle game. he is just simply playing 3 moves at different times rather than all 3 at once. look at SkyT's games for perfect examples.[/quote]


If we're going onto a debate about point abuse how about examining your games. How many games have you played against new recruits which have deadbeated hence giving you the game.

Lots and lots:

took me one try to find an example.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2315793

Now who has the underhand strategy?

a player missing turns is not my fault. I dont control their accounts and I have no idea who is going to miss a turn. So nothing is abused. Perhaps the new recruit can give you his password and you can move for him. now that would be abuse that im sure you are already doing without me doing any research.

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:not sure how i can be a hypocite if 1 game hasnt even been played yet. how do you know there is a person making all the moves if nothing has been played?

you rip on clans and their team tactics, and here you are joining one!! it isn't the BpB's, but it is still A clan.

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

Robinette wrote:

Nephilim wrote: alternate solution: end freestyle altogether

1 player making 3 moves in a triples sequential game is the same as moving in a freestyle game. he is just simply playing 3 moves at different times rather than all 3 at once. look at SkyT's games for perfect examples.

OK, now you're just being silly.

detlef wrote:OK, now you're just being silly.

i know, i said that, it is just ridiculous. makes NO SENSE> 3 turns at one time is completely different
than 3 turns in order.-0

We're gonna need more popcorn...

Robinette wrote:We're gonna need more popcorn...

i have cashews !?

jiminski wrote:

Robinette wrote:We're gonna need more popcorn...

i have cashews !?

are you offering to let robinette chew on your nuts?-0

owenshooter wrote:

jiminski wrote:

Robinette wrote:We're gonna need more popcorn...

i have cashews !?

are you offering to let robinette chew on your nuts?-0

not even a kernel of truth! i prefer a nibble to vigorous mastication

jiminski wrote:not even a kernel of truth! i prefer a nibble to vigorous mastication

happy2seeyou wrote:

jiminski wrote:not even a kernel of truth! i prefer a nibble to vigorous mastication

now can we get this back on topic...

Robinette wrote:
now can we get this back on topic...

agreed!

just to recap the topic..
JR: Babysitters are the spawn of Beelzebub
Most: No they're not, they are quite handy
Cheater: I love Babysitters and so do I

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

1 player making 3 moves in a triples sequential game is the same as moving in a freestyle game. he is just simply playing 3 moves at different times rather than all 3 at once. look at SkyT's games for perfect examples.[/quote]


If we're going onto a debate about point abuse how about examining your games. How many games have you played against new recruits which have deadbeated hence giving you the game.

Lots and lots:

took me one try to find an example.

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=2315793

Now who has the underhand strategy?

a player missing turns is not my fault. I dont control their accounts and I have no idea who is going to miss a turn. So nothing is abused. Perhaps the new recruit can give you his password and you can move for him. now that would be abuse that im sure you are already doing without me doing any research.[/quote]

Actually, you join games against ? marks knowing full well they are likely to deadbeat. How about you try your hand against players your own rank or mid-range rank in a 1vs1. You don't because you know that you wouldn't be able to handle it and would lose points quick sharp. Go ahead and actually examine my games, you'll see that I play every different type of game against all different ranks. Have you ever entered a tournament JR? No you haven't because once again your adverse to the idea of playing against random opponents and would rather play a ? more likely to deadbeat and give you easy points. Also, f*ck off I took one player's turns one day because he TOLD me that he would not be around at all that day and its made into this huge debacle. The mods woulda warned me if there was other examples. I don't think I did anything wrong particularly since I didn't know that the move I made was against the rules as it wasn't actually clarified.

A simple search for pimphawks70 and JohnnyRocket24 will give clear indication of how Johnny abuses cc risk playing just as much as Klobber does. The only difference is Johhny joins the games with the new recruit whilst Klobber makes the game.

Although this seems a Big issue only 78 people voted. So it may not be as big an issue as some of us perceived.

and if the 48 votes are teams that sit accounts then it is only 24 votes (lol)

Unwritten rules are tough to enforce. I like written rules. Then I know when I am pushing the limits.

wacicha wrote:Although this seems a Big issue only 78 people voted. So it may not be as big an issue as some of us perceived.

and if the 48 votes are teams that sit accounts then it is only 24 votes (lol)

Unwritten rules are tough to enforce. I like written rules. Then I know when I am pushing the limits.

well, i think twill kind of crushed the debate when he weighed in, and basically agreed with that vocal minority that we truly are. notice how i am not as arrogant as the classic defenders, claiming to speak for all of CC-dom?!! ha... i was satisfied by twill's comments, and assume that will be the official stance. at least, i'm hoping it will be. i am just glad we were given a fair chance to voice our opinion after the sticky was hijacked in the middle of the night by a mod after their stance was strongly disagreed with.-0

so the conversations have broken down a bit here. Well let me try to get it back on track since Noone else seems to give a shit.

How can you run three accounts one game or not? Thats seems to me to be a clear multi acct violation.

How can we word a rule that allows babysitting in the same game and still adresses multi accts? In my personal opinion it cant be done. I'd be happy to hear one though.

How is allowing someone to play your account at their leisure not a violation?

Who in here is such a loser they cant find second friend to watch their acct? Sorry for the loser comment but frankly i'm have read way too much whining about how inconvienent it is. Thats bullshit as those loudest have multiple clan members, prior teammates to choose from.

So again I ask who has come up with a concise guideline here that addresses all the issues not just your personal ones. This whole thread was started by someone skirting the rules by playing on the language. Everyone wanted a clear concise interpretation. Now seems some want a vague guideline once again.

How is stalkin a noob into a team game getting his password and playin his account not a multi situation? In my opinion is no different than making a bunch of team games and doing so with the confidence you wont miss any turns becuase your teammate will make up the difference. Or in the clear case of abuse lending your acct access for them to make umpteen games with the full intent of playing all the turns. All of the above are gaining advantage by using TWO accts in one game. None of the above actions could be achieved under the current rule..WHY becuase ALL demonstrate gaining an advantage by playing two accts in team games wheather it be in startegy or just numbers of current games active.

The arguement that this practice prevents more deadbeating is ridiculous. Real life happens if ya miss a turn deal, suck it up cupcake. If you are that concerned with your games and turns preplan your sitters in advance. A set group of sitters would be your personal responsibility not the sites problem to address. As it is now some of your arguments amt to "I may have personal issues and it's the sites responsibilty to bend the rules for me."
thats a load of crap. Learn to use the pm system. We all know you can post in the forums.

As far as i see the site has offered a great babysitting program that many sites dont offer.
The above opinions are my own and dont neccesarily represent the sites in any way.

what is the difference between one person on a team taking their move... or all the members of the team chatting it over in IMs and then that player making their moved based on what was said.... is that not that same as everyone on the team making the same move? With that being said .... what is the difference then if one person on your team has to cover for you? I see it this way... if i need someone to take my turns for me in my trips and they are on my team... then i am actually decreasing my chances of winning because three heads are better than two.... so without me there to talk with my pals about the move our edge over the other team is actually weakened.... does that make sense or am i crazy ? lol If i let someone other than team members make my move then they will be there to talk it over and i don't decrease my chances of winning (so the later is more how i try to do it when i need a babysitter) .... That's how i see it anyway.... just my .02$

wacicha wrote:Although this seems a Big issue only 78 people voted. So it may not be as big an issue as some of us perceived.

and if the 48 votes are teams that sit accounts then it is only 24 votes (lol)

Unwritten rules are tough to enforce. I like written rules. Then I know when I am pushing the limits.

We must remember that these are not well populated forums- the Classic Map alteration did not secure many more votes and i assume you acknowledge many more people cared about it.

also I am not sure this vote is valid at all or one to judge the issue on at all WAc.. it is obscure and ambiguous!

I think many people are unsure as to what to actually vote for.


what does it mean and how is it relevant to the 24 hour rule really?
Strengthening the 24 hour rule seems to be where the mods are shepherding the issue to but how do any of the vote options help clarify that issue?
Not a jot!!

James says 'no one gives a shit'.. I take exception to that.. and the tone of his post was inflammatory (perhaps that was the aim?) i am not sure he has really read our comments but there are only so many times you can say the same thing! to be honest i had just thought that the mods would be sensible and judge the babysitter 24 hour rule in a bespoke manner with reference to likelihood of advantage gained as to its deeming of abuse... apparently we have more fight on our hands!?

James wants clear concise guidelines on how to move forward:


OK.....
- 24 hour rule is preposterous if it is a written-rule, stringently upheld. And you will have to ban me if you implement it.

- For Sequential it appears to me that we have proven the case that the 24 hour rule is irrelevant; as no significant advantage is gained by a team-mate playing for another. (multi-rules more than cover abuse of multiple accounts)

- For Freestyle.. well this is the one up for abuse! Make it that Team-mates can not play as babysitter and you need an alternative player to take turns in Freestyle only ... then the 24 hour rule is also irrelevant.

In short:
Sequential Team - No 24 hour rule at all and complete flexibility regarding Babysitter (provided they are no on the opposing side).
Freestyle Team - No 24 hour rule but teammates are blocked from playing the go's for players on the same team.

We already have differential ruling on team and singles games i.e. play in for a teammate in the same game as babysitter. You can not play in the same game as babysitter in singles.

therefore i see no difficulty in a two-tier system .. all the cheats are in Freestyle anyway.

just ban it altogether.Avoid confusion.When I join a game I want to know I'm not playing SkyT or his mulit's...oops I mean friends.

jiminski wrote:

wacicha wrote:Although this seems a Big issue only 78 people voted. So it may not be as big an issue as some of us perceived.

and if the 48 votes are teams that sit accounts then it is only 24 votes (lol)

Unwritten rules are tough to enforce. I like written rules. Then I know when I am pushing the limits.

We must remember that these are not well populated forums- the Classic Map alteration did not secure many more votes and i assume you acknowledge many more people cared about it.

also I am not sure this vote is valid at all or one to judge the issue on at all WAc.. it is obscure and ambiguous!

I think many people are unsure as to what to actually vote for.


what does it mean and how is it relevant to the 24 hour rule really?
Strengthening the 24 hour rule seems to be where the mods are shepherding the issue to but how do any of the vote options help clarify that issue?
Not a jot!!

James says 'no one gives a shit'.. I take exception to that.. and the tone of his post was inflammatory (perhaps that was the aim?) i am not sure he has really read our comments but there are only so many times you can say the same thing! to be honest i had just thought that the mods would be sensible and judge the babysitter 24 hour rule in a bespoke manner with reference to likelihood of advantage gained as to its deeming of abuse... apparently we have more fight on our hands!?

James wants clear concise guidelines on how to move forward:


OK.....
- 24 hour rule is preposterous if it is a written-rule, stringently upheld. And you will have to ban me if you implement it.

- For Sequential it appears to me that we have proven the case that the 24 hour rule is irrelevant; as no significant advantage is gained by a team-mate playing for another. (multi-rules more than cover abuse of multiple accounts)

- For Freestyle.. well this is the one up for abuse! Make it that Team-mates can not play as babysitter and you need an alternative player to take turns in Freestyle only ... then the 24 hour rule is also irrelevant.

In short:
Sequential Team - No 24 hour rule at all and complete flexibility regarding Babysitter (provided they are no on the opposing side).
Freestyle Team - No 24 hour rule but teammates are blocked from playing the go's for players on the same team.

We already have differential ruling on team and singles games i.e. play in for a teammate in the same game as babysitter. You can not play in the same game as babysitter in singles.

therefore i see no difficulty in a two-tier system .. all the cheats are in Freestyle anyway.

I second this entire post, especially the bolded part.

jiminski wrote: OK.....
- 24 hour rule is preposterous if it is a written-rule, stringently upheld. And you will have to ban me if you implement it.

- For Sequential it appears to me that we have proven the case that the 24 hour rule is irrelevant; as no significant advantage is gained by a team-mate playing for another. (multi-rules more than cover abuse of multiple accounts)

- For Freestyle.. well this is the one up for abuse! Make it that Team-mates can not play as babysitter and you need an alternative player to take turns in Freestyle only ... then the 24 hour rule is also irrelevant.

In short:
Sequential Team - No 24 hour rule at all and complete flexibility regarding Babysitter (provided they are no on the opposing side).
Freestyle Team - No 24 hour rule but teammates are blocked from playing the go's for players on the same team.

We already have differential ruling on team and singles games i.e. play in for a teammate in the same game as babysitter. You can not play in the same game as babysitter in singles.

therefore i see no difficulty in a two-tier system .. all the cheats are in Freestyle anyway.

For sake of simpleness I can see the ruling being...

"Babysitting can not be for anyone you are playing with regardless of enemy or teammate or style" (or similar)

- This way it is uber easy to enforce, understand & write...

Thoughts?

C.

plus babysitting is only allowed to avoid deadbeating.

missing a turn is part of life, suck it up cupcake.