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if you're going to make a tolkien map, you can't use any of the names (places or anything else) from the original. No copyright infringements.

Then, we already have Midgard and Dawn of Ages, so your map will have to be different from them.

So, keeping these two requirements in mind, I'm looking forward to a draft

Brad Templeton wrote:6) "If I make up my own stories, but base them on another work, my new work belongs to me."
False. U.S. Copyright law is quite explicit that the making of what are called "derivative works" -- works based or derived from another copyrighted work -- is the exclusive province of the owner of the original work. This is true even though the making of these new works is a highly creative process. If you write a story using settings or characters from somebody else's work, you need that author's permission.
Yes, that means almost all "fan fiction" is arguably a copyright violation. If you want to publish a story about Jim Kirk and Mr. Spock, you need Paramount's permission, plain and simple. Now, as it turns out, many, but not all holders of popular copyrights turn a blind eye to "fan fiction" or even subtly encourage it because it helps them. Make no mistake, however, that it is entirely up to them whether to do that.

There is a major exception -- criticism and parody. The fair use provision says that if you want to make fun of something like Star Trek, you don't need their permission to include Mr. Spock. This is not a loophole; you can't just take a non-parody and claim it is one on a technicality. The way "fair use" works is you get sued for copyright infringement, and you admit you did copy, but that your copying was a fair use. A subjective judgment on, among other things, your goals, is then made.

However, it's also worth noting that a court has never ruled on this issue, because fan fiction cases always get settled quickly when the defendant is a fan of limited means sued by a powerful publishing company. Some argue that completely non-commercial fan fiction might be declared a fair use if courts get to decide. You can read more

DJENRE wrote:And midgard is copyright for Ragnarok...

isaiah40 wrote:SO if you want to make this map change it so that it is inherently different then the original and we can go from there.

Riskismy wrote:Well, there IS one way you can use both maps and names, copyrighted or not: Parody.

As he points out, it actually would have to be funny, I guess. Not sure how they decide on that.

My guess is it probably still won't fly with the admins. Though I think it's being overly cautious, I can relate to not wanting to be sued by the likes of HarperCollins.
Personally, I wouldn't like to see Tolkien's work made fun of either.

What a shame

Thank you for that. I didn't found it when I looked for copyright on google.
Funny is not what I want either. Do I have to set some hairy feet points to reach on the map to hold victory?

thenobodies80 wrote:

DJENRE wrote:And midgard is copyright for Ragnarok...

Thanks for spoitting this out, I'll investigate on it.

I didn't want to do a mess about other maps...
They firstly took it in Norvegian mythology : Midgard (an Anglicised form of Old Norse Miðgarðr) is one of the Nine Worlds and is an old Germanic name for our world and is the home of Humans, with the literal meaning "middle enclosure".

thenobodies80 wrote:Anyway it's not a Just a title/word thing, I direct you to a my post into DoA map thread: viewtopic.php?f=358&t=92583&start=45#p2173800
Your map has the same problem, there's a clear and direct connetion with Tolkien's works and it can't be done.
In any case, lackattack (the webmaster) has the final say on all maps, and Tolkien's based maps are 99,9% a big no no.
My suggestion is to use your imagination.
Kabanellas did it and you can see now what great map DoA is!
Imagination is the key.
Nobodies

isaiah40 wrote: [...]
SO if you want to make this map change it so that it is inherently different then the original and we can go from there.

DJENRE wrote:

natty_dread wrote:Copyright. Won't happen.

C'mon
We're just doing a LEGOtm like game on a RISKtm like site.

natty_dread wrote:See, CC is not a Risk site. It's a site of a world domination game that some consider similar to Risk.

If you take away the name "LEGO" from LEGOs, what do you have left? Coloured blocks. What kind of interesting map can be made out of coloured blocks?

So we could do a map of domination war that some consider similar to Tolkien universe.

natty_dread wrote:

So we could do a map of domination war that some consider similar to Tolkien universe.

Sure you could! We already have at least 2 maps like that.

DJENRE wrote:I was actually thinking about my map with names and design like it appears and if some consider similar to Tolkien, we don't care...

natty_dread wrote:It doesn't. CC doesn't use the same map as Risk, names are changed. Also names of dice are changed (intensity cubes), all other feature names are changed (regions, assault, etc.)

jimfinn wrote:we DO have the diskworld map though

jd94 wrote:hypothetically speaking, could someone make a map of, say, an individual country from a book, that doesnt have a map drawn for it (by the author/publisher) already? Would it be fair use to synthesise your own map, using the book's names and information, but not using actual pictures from the book?

tkr4lf wrote:I'm just curious here. Was permission granted to use the Tamriel map? Because absolutely nothing really looks changed from the original source.

I'm guessing it was, but again, I'm curious to find out.

greenoaks wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:I'm just curious here. Was permission granted to use the Tamriel map? Because absolutely nothing really looks changed from the original source.

I'm guessing it was, but again, I'm curious to find out.

there is no mention of permission obtained in the map thread, nor was the question ever raised

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=358&t=1129&start=0

natty_dread wrote:Yeah, that map was made in the crazy old first days of CC... Standards were way lower back then, and it may have slipped through the cracks.