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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:45 pm
by gimil
rebelman wrote:coupe of points:
is the island of ireland a terr. if so where is it linked to
nope itll all GB
is gb linked to the european mainland ?
NO european country can attack each other
the landing point instructions are duplicated
Nope one one identifies the wheels as landing points,
can you guys use a different term to "homeland" as i don't think it makes sense in this context.
Any ideas?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:44 pm
by rebelman
thanks for the replies but unless ireland is going to be treated like the other occupied countries in the new world it should not be part of Britain
Ireland in fact only became part of The united kingdom of great Britain and Ireland in 1801. (the act of union)
Prior to that it was treated as a colony from 1691 0nwards before 1691 the British had no hand act or part in the ruling of Ireland.
the normans would have been involved from 1169 up to almost the time of the English plantations (1691).
Prior to that we were regularly attacked by the vikings mainly between 800 and 950
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:54 pm
by gimil
rebelman wrote:thanks for the replies but unless ireland is going to be treated like the other occupied countries in the new world it should not be part of Britain
its the 1600's . . .
ireland was a part of the british empire at that time and didnt gain its independace until 1922 under the Government of Ireland Act 1920.
boom, take that rebelman
Re: The New World (Lucky Ver 13, Pg 15)
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:56 pm
by Coleman
And even if that is not true...
Coleman wrote:Please be willing to pardon our huge middle finger to our actual history.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:58 pm
by rebelman
gimil wrote:rebelman wrote:thanks for the replies but unless ireland is going to be treated like the other occupied countries in the new world it should not be part of Britain
its the 1600's . . .
ireland was a part of the british empire at that time and didnt gain its independace until 1922 under the Government of Ireland Act 1920.
boom, take that rebelman
check my edited post above ^^^^^^^^^^
Ireland wasnt declared part of the empire until after the ulster plantations so you would need to advance this map forward if that's the case also France should be under british control if thats the time period you are choosing.
Re: The New World (Lucky Ver 13, Pg 15)
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:58 pm
by gimil
Coleman wrote:And even if that is not true...
Coleman wrote:Please be willing to pardon our huge middle finger to our actual history.
man rebel is going to be pissed.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:01 pm
by Coleman
Well it's a write your own history scenario. Holland invaded a lot farther north in South America then where we put them and for a short while had part of North America as well.
Do we care? No, it would be bad for gameplay.
In this case, Britain is totally bad ass and took over all that stuff before they set sail. Mostly because it looks better that way, at least I think so. At most I'd be willing to change the name to British Isles and make it seem like it may be an alliance of nations united as one Empire for our purpose.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:02 pm
by gimil
Coleman wrote:Well it's a write your own history scenario. Holland invaded a lot farther north in South America then where we put them and for a short while had part of North America as well.
Do we care? No, it would be bad for gameplay.
In this case, Britain is totally bad ass and took over all that stuff before they set sail. Mostly because it looks better that way, at least I think so. At most I'd be willing to change the name to British Isles and make it seem like it may be an alliance of nations.
or Britian would be sufficient since it IS britian of the time
Re: The New World (Lucky Ver 13, Pg 15)
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:10 pm
by rebelman
gimil wrote:Coleman wrote:And even if that is not true...
Coleman wrote:Please be willing to pardon our huge middle finger to our actual history.
man rebel is going to be pissed.
yes he is because unlike the other areas covered in your quasi-historical map part of Ireland remains under British control and we are very touchy about our history especially where the English are involved !!
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:13 pm
by gimil
rebelman grow up
You be touchy about your history, but no one is attacking the irish on this map. They are part of the british empire in the 1600's which is the
rought timeline this map is set on.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:16 pm
by rebelman
Coleman wrote:Well it's a write your own history scenario. Holland invaded a lot farther north in South America then where we put them and for a short while had part of North America as well.
Do we care? No, it would be bad for gameplay.
In this case, Britain is totally bad ass and took over all that stuff before they set sail. Mostly because it looks better that way, at least I think so. At most I'd be willing to change the name to British Isles and make it seem like it may be an alliance of nations united as one Empire for our purpose.
I have pointed out my concerns - i hear what you are saying about gameplay etc and overall this is a beautiful oooking map but why don't you just remove the border from around Ireland I know that would make me happy and it would not alter gameplay in any way and would easily sidetrack all the controversy
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:16 pm
by Coleman
When did Ireland invade the Americas? I must have missed that class. Can't you just accept that Ireland isn't relevant to this map or its idea?
It's hard for me to view one person's complaint as controversy. We can change it if you want, but it's equally likely someone else will think that looks dumb and asks us to put it back.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:16 pm
by rebelman
gimil wrote:rebelman grow up
You be touchy about your history, but no one is attacking the irish on this map. They are part of the british empire in the 1600's which is the
rought timeline this map is set on.
i just posted a simple solution.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:19 pm
by rebelman
Coleman wrote:When did Ireland invade the Americas? I must have missed that class. Can't you just accept that Ireland isn't relevant to this map or its idea?
It's hard for me to view one person's complaint as controversy. We can change it if you want, but it's equally likely someone else will think that looks dumb and asks us to put it back.
coleman its widely accepted that the first european to land in the americas was an Irishman a missionary named Brendan (this has been historically proven)
I offered you guys a very simple solution that takes Ireland out of the equation - just remove the border from around its rim.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:21 pm
by Coleman
But it wasn't free tell 1914....
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:21 pm
by gimil
rebelman wrote:gimil wrote:rebelman grow up
You be touchy about your history, but no one is attacking the irish on this map. They are part of the british empire in the 1600's which is the
rought timeline this map is set on.
i just posted a simple solution.
by trying to make me and coleman feel threated by quoting the
no-no?
If the history unsets you deal with it. I let you get your own way in british isles because i respected your opinion and understood your logic. Here its just patriotism.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:23 pm
by Coleman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Rule_Act_1914
Intended time period for Round 1 on the map. 1650.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:27 pm
by Coleman
rebelman wrote:coleman its widely accepted that the first european to land in the americas was an Irishman a missionary named Brendan (this has been historically proven)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan
Seems like there is controversy over that, it either happened, or it is Religious Allegory.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:31 pm
by rebelman
gimil: i removed that part of my post as it could easily be misinterpreted and knowing both of you I'm certain there is nothing malicious in what you are doing.
coleman: i think you posted the wrong wiki link as that has nothing to do with Ireland in 1650.
coleman and gimil: my suggested solution was the removal of the border around Ireland - nothing more dramatic than that.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:33 pm
by rebelman
Coleman wrote:rebelman wrote:coleman its widely accepted that the first european to land in the americas was an Irishman a missionary named Brendan (this has been historically proven)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrendanSeems like there is controversy over that, it either happened, or it is Religious Allegory.
that's why I said widely accepted as distinct from historically proven
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:33 pm
by Coleman
rebelman wrote:coleman and gimil: my suggested solution was the removal of the border around Ireland - nothing more dramatic than that.
My link was when Ireland was not part of the Empire.
Everything before 1800s it was, nothing was official tell 1914, and then the World Wars delayed it.
This is set in 1650s... Pseudo 1650s at that, not necessarily our 1650.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:34 pm
by gimil
rebelman wrote:gimil: i removed that part of my post as it could easily be misinterpreted and knowing both of you I'm certain there is nothing malicious in what you are doing.
coleman: i think you posted the wrong wiki link as that has nothing to do with Ireland in 1650.
coleman and gimil: my suggested solution was the removal of the border around Ireland - nothing more dramatic than that.
you posted a solution where there is no problem.
Cartographers must be open to any advice and suggestions. Be sure that if you do not implement said advice you must have logical reason for doing so
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:41 pm
by rebelman
i have made my point and you guys have responded - i accept your logic for being unwilling to change. Only for the fact it would distort your gameplay I would prefer to see Ireland depicted as a seperate colony as prior to the 1800s thats what we were.
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:50 pm
by AndyDufresne
Let me jump into this 3 way dance you all have going.
How about let it rest, and see what others post about the topic, so you aren't just going around in circles? Give others some time.
Move on to a different topic for now.
--Andy
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:04 pm
by bryguy
i say leave it as it is, cause this is for the new world, ireland had no colonies