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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:49 am
by natty dread
I kind of foresaw that.
You're not the only one... ;)

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:35 am
by Evil DIMwit
Industrial Helix wrote:
natty_dread wrote:The mapmaker seems to have disappeared...
I kind of foresaw that. But he's logged in today and is taking his turn on games. I hope he does return because he's got some interesting ideas.
If he doesn't, someone should at least PM him for permission to continue with this gem.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:46 am
by Industrial Helix
I wonder if permission is even needed, something similar could be made in a separate thread.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:49 am
by natty dread
Industrial Helix wrote:I wonder if permission is even needed, something similar could be made in a separate thread.
You can't copyright an idea. Anyone is free to make a map of the same subject. Otherwise we wouldn't have umpty-zillion maps of europe and north-america... ;)

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:43 pm
by carlpgoodrich
FrancisBoyle wrote:I think there should be a PETA or some other animal rights group territory that can bombard all territories on the cow.
Wouldn't it be the local steak-eating champ who could bombard the whole cow? And then the PETA protester could attack him! Haha.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:48 pm
by Evil DIMwit
natty_dread wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:I wonder if permission is even needed, something similar could be made in a separate thread.
You can't copyright an idea. Anyone is free to make a map of the same subject. Otherwise we wouldn't have umpty-zillion maps of europe and north-america... ;)
Not permission. Blessings, maybe? It'd be a bother if he came back after a while and got upset because someone took his map idea.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:00 pm
by natty dread
Perhaps it would be best to enquire whether he intends to resume working on this project, before we start looking for a substitute for finishing his job...

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:22 pm
by The Bison King
natty_dread wrote:Perhaps it would be best to enquire whether he intends to resume working on this project, before we start looking for a substitute for finishing his job...
that's a good Idea. Any takers? if not I'll do it.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:35 pm
by Evil DIMwit
I've PMed Squidward about this. I haven't gotten a response yet.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:33 pm
by Squidward
Hey guys, I'm sorry for disappearing. For some reason whenever I checked my posts, it always said this one had no new replies, so I never bothered looking at it.
Anyway, at first I got the impression that no one was too interested in this, but I guess I was wrong. I'll definitely keep working on it.

Right now, the territories are just kind of randomly placed in the regions, so I'll try to place those out more strategically. If anyone has any suggestions or advice, please let me know.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:45 pm
by Squidward
Unfortunately, my computer is getting repairs right now, and I'm forced to use my old laptop that doesn't have photoshop or anything on it. So it might be a week or so before I can do any work on the map, sorry.

EDIT: Nevermind, I do have photoshop

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:55 pm
by Evil DIMwit
As far as territorial arrangements: In general, it's good practice to avoid 4-way corners like you have in Thick Flank, Flank, Silver Side, Sirloin, and Thick Rib.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:19 pm
by army of nobunaga
i like small maps, i like new art ideas... but im not sure if this will play without some kind of gameplay tweak ... at least im rooting for a gameplay tweak

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:53 pm
by Industrial Helix
army of nobunaga wrote:i like small maps, i like new art ideas... but im not sure if this will play without some kind of gameplay tweak ... at least im rooting for a gameplay tweak
I think this map could easily survive on standard gameplay. Simple and fun.

though something like lots of small bonuses could help.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:58 pm
by army of nobunaga
just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:17 pm
by DAAAAAAANG
carlpgoodrich wrote:
FrancisBoyle wrote:I think there should be a PETA or some other animal rights group territory that can bombard all territories on the cow.
Wouldn't it be the local steak-eating champ who could bombard the whole cow? And then the PETA protester could attack him! Haha.
That sounds good. How about a butcher too?

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:45 pm
by Evil DIMwit
army of nobunaga wrote:just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.
Well, there's no reason to stop making classic gameplay maps. If the theme works, it shouldn't be obligatory to complicate it.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:36 am
by Bruceswar
Evil DIMwit wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.
Well, there's no reason to stop making classic gameplay maps. If the theme works, it shouldn't be obligatory to complicate it.

I agree... Beef Cuts will be a hit!

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:39 am
by Industrial Helix
army of nobunaga wrote:just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.
I totally see your point of view and agree. But the same concept could be extended to, say, the American Civil War. People see a group of army circles and shapes similar to states and they say "Erg Civil War, I like."

I think for the first map standard gameplay is reasonably ok. The problem comes when we have Pork cuts and Lamb Cuts.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:11 am
by The Bison King
just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.
Don't be such a hater. Cows are funny. Celery isn't as funny as a cow. Also cut's of beef are a real thing, celery cuts aren't. Sorry you don't find the same simple appeal in this map as some of the rest of us. If you don't like it that's fine, but don't be a jerk about it.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:04 pm
by army of nobunaga
not being a jerk. Lets say a salad then.. Ill take a picture of my salad today and put these same regions and schematics inside that salad. This isnt even as intricate as madagascar or lux, which has real gameplay design.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:15 pm
by Evil DIMwit
army of nobunaga wrote:not being a jerk. Lets say a salad then.. Ill take a picture of my salad today and put these same regions and schematics inside that salad. This isnt even as intricate as madagascar or lux, which has real gameplay design.
Well, if you think the gameplay design here could use improvements, or even a full overhaul, you're welcome to suggest some.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:59 pm
by army of nobunaga
Evil DIMwit wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:not being a jerk. Lets say a salad then.. Ill take a picture of my salad today and put these same regions and schematics inside that salad. This isnt even as intricate as madagascar or lux, which has real gameplay design.
Well, if you think the gameplay design here could use improvements, or even a full overhaul, you're welcome to suggest some.

fair enough... There needs to be less of a regional "island" idea. As it stands, when the drops come out, people will all get their little island bonuses and protect the chokepoints. At least I would and the people I play with would. looks like some automatic deadlock in a no spoils game.

I would get rid of the sticks and make adjoining regions. There needs natural barriers like the ribbones (not to be confused with the ribmeat).. ummm noone eats the heart, it could be a barrier too .. Ill think on it.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:22 pm
by Squidward
Beef Cuts, version 2:
(64 territories, 13 regions)
Click image to enlarge.
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Also, here's a basic version that just shows the layout of the territories, so it's easier to look at the gameplay. (And I put it over a celery stalk for army of nobunaga :D )

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Let me know what you think.

Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:29 pm
by army of nobunaga
i like the celery