Conquer Club

i edited mine a little, i was only guessing about ruben of course...but it seems fairly clear that its a silly name, and none of us are very sure if it should be banned....

although there are disagreements here...they chasm between them seems to be pretty small...

i for one agree with parts of everyones post and may not completely agree with all but most of the points are interesting perspectives to say the least...

its a muddy subject, so it really is hard to be right or wrong i think...

Ruben Cassar wrote:Nephilm with all due respect your argument is flawed in many ways.

First of all you say you adhere to free speech, yet you are against the swastika and agree that it should be banned. However you don't agree that this username should be banned. That means you aren't as liberal as you claim to be. You are SELECTIVE of what should be controlled like everyone else because depending on you OWN ideology the swastika should be banned but this username shouldn't.

Second you say that grown ups don't control speech or thoughts of people. You know very well that that is bullshit. Even in the most democratic countries in the world we have certain limits. These are laws. Without them there would be anarchy. So there is a limit to free speech. You cannot make racial or religious insults for example because you could end up in jail as there are laws against this. So once again your whole argument doesn't make sense.

Anyway I made my point and as I said earlier I am going to leave this issue in the hands of the mods. However I felt I had to respond to your comments.

Thanks for responding, i love to argue. OK, believe this or not, i almost wrote a couple of posts ago that i don't have a problem with banning the swastika but i would also be okay with not banning it. Then i thought about it a bit and left out the latter part. I did this b/c i was building an argument around a principle: some types of hate speech can and should be censored b/c all rational people can agree that they aim at ill will and destruction. I agree, Ruben, that true free speech would allow the swastika, and i can get behind that. But i can also see good reasons for removing it, and i don't think they are negatively ideological. Like I said, the swastika, for many or most people, stands for genocide and anti-Semitism. I don't think it's an ideological or political move when symbols of that sort of thing are banned. I think it's simply human, simply an honest, noble thing to do. (But as i have said, i see reasons to allow that kind of speech, too).

Secondly, your second paragraph makes no sense, friend. We can make racial or religious insults in the States (and many other places) w/o fear of jail. Sometimes this is qualified as hate speech and is criminal, but many times it is not. Of course there are laws limiting free speech. I was responding to your original comment: "I am grown up, in the grownup world this sort of stuff is not acceptable." But ruben, many grownups would have no problem with the name "molestedbygod," they would accept it and move on, w/o trying to control the speech around them as you are doing. My argument is this: grownups talk in many different ways and true grownups dont tell others what they can or cannot say. Sometimes there is hate speech that maybe should be banned. But the name "molestedbygod" is not hate speech and your reaction to it is quite immature. The person behind the name can and should say whatever they want regardless of your tastes, as long as it is not criminal.

As offensive as it, let the mods deal with it. We should be happy we dont have to decide whats right and whats wrong with someone elses actions. Just because I believe this person is wrong for this, I can think of plenty about my self that aint right and thats enough to worry about. Im not about to try to understand why somebody would choose this screenname because it doesn't matter( for those of us that believe in God know that he will be the final judge so why worry?)

Okay Reuben - here is an official response to your "abuse report": The username molestedbygod is allowed. Few people would find that username offensive. I don't find it offensive. It doesn't target any religion in particular.

I agree entirely with Nephilim's point of view. Expression of opinion is a fundamental freedom, but in free and democratic societies we put limits on hate speech. The general consensus is that such limits are resonable and justified.

Here on CC, we take a liberal approach to moderation. But it isn't a free-for-all. We have moderators and guidelines. I find some things to be unacceptable, and I draw the line with Nazi glorification on the bad side and "molestedbygod" on the okay side. If you don't agree with where I or the other moderators draw the line (or that we draw a line at all) that's fine and you can voice your opinion. But it's our judgement call, and we will be selective and subjective.

As I said before I just wanted to bring this to a mod's attention. I will stick with your decision on this issue.

I reply to Nephilm's comment saying that I was not being immature but was using my "freedom of speech" to condone something that personally I don't agree with and bringing it to a mod's attention.

And with that this issue is over.

lackattack wrote:Okay Reuben - here is an official response to your "abuse report": The username molestedbygod is allowed. Few people would find that username offensive. I don't find it offensive. It doesn't target any religion in particular.

I agree entirely with Nephilim's point of view. Expression of opinion is a fundamental freedom, but in free and democratic societies we put limits on hate speech. The general consensus is that such limits are resonable and justified.

Here on CC, we take a liberal approach to moderation. But it isn't a free-for-all. We have moderators and guidelines. I find some things to be unacceptable, and I draw the line with Nazi glorification on the bad side and "molestedbygod" on the okay side. If you don't agree with where I or the other moderators draw the line (or that we draw a line at all) that's fine and you can voice your opinion. But it's our judgement call, and we will be selective and subjective.

well said lack....i wish i had skills like that....this is why lack is the man....all hail lack....lol...i dont even care either way im here to play...thats it...i just had to put something its been a while since i posted and since i know all the people who posted in this one but 1 or 2 i feel i cna....oh thats enough from me see u again in the forum in a month or 2.....

Nephilim wrote:yes, you can smoke a joint and move on with your life

censorship sucks!

nice!

love you neph

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The term God refers to the deity held by monotheists to be the supreme reality. God is believed to be the sole creator, or at least the sustainer, of the universe.[1] Currently (2007), probably a majority of human beings generally believe in a monotheistic God, usually in some form of the Abrahamic God of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.[2] The unifying monotheistic conception of Brahman prevailing in the henotheistic belief system of Hinduism is also significant as a representative element in humanity's belief in a supreme God.

So yes anyone who believes in their god finds this offensive....
It is listed in the forum's no religion bashing. Well this guy could be a satanist for all you know and doesnt believe in god thus bashing god

Maybe you should add no avatars glorifiying nazi's...Dont know what this world is coming to...

what this username, is this deemed religion bashing

GodHatesUsAll

i named my hamster god and he did hate all but me.....poor guy ....he was tasty though....its a shame .........

eye84free wrote:i named my hamster god and he did hate all but me.....poor guy ....he was tasty though....its a shame .........

lol

well i think it was a hampster...it might have been a guinni pig....hmmm i dont remember....then again there was this time a band camp.....ooppps wrong topic.....

lol

Rueben, you're a fag, mind your own and put me on your ignore list. I chose the name because in Spanish molestar means "to bother," and plus my bro invited me to this site so I thought I would harras him some since he's uber-religious, probably like you. At least he's not a homo pedaphile like you tho, we all know the Romans and Greeks molested little boys. Get a life.

reverend_kyle wrote:Even christians claim god touches them daily.

lol, it's funny because it's true

gerry22 wrote:

reverend_kyle wrote:Even christians claim god touches them daily.

lol, it's funny because it's true

i like rev but i think he gets touched daily him self....hmmmm

eye84free wrote:

lackattack wrote:Okay Reuben - here is an official response to your "abuse report": The username molestedbygod is allowed. Few people would find that username offensive. I don't find it offensive. It doesn't target any religion in particular.

I agree entirely with Nephilim's point of view. Expression of opinion is a fundamental freedom, but in free and democratic societies we put limits on hate speech. The general consensus is that such limits are resonable and justified.

Here on CC, we take a liberal approach to moderation. But it isn't a free-for-all. We have moderators and guidelines. I find some things to be unacceptable, and I draw the line with Nazi glorification on the bad side and "molestedbygod" on the okay side. If you don't agree with where I or the other moderators draw the line (or that we draw a line at all) that's fine and you can voice your opinion. But it's our judgement call, and we will be selective and subjective.

well said lack....i wish i had skills like that....this is why lack is the man....all hail lack....lol...i dont even care either way im here to play...thats it...i just had to put something its been a while since i posted and since i know all the people who posted in this one but 1 or 2 i feel i cna....oh thats enough from me see u again in the forum in a month or 2.....

how long have i been on here...it thought you posted this two days ago

i gotta quit this game

nope just yesterday....lol...aa no more alcohol for u ....

eye84free wrote:well i think it was a hampster...it might have been a guinni pig....hmmm i dont remember....then again there was this time a band camp.....ooppps wrong topic.....

lol

eye84free wrote:nope just yesterday....lol...aa no more alcohol for u ....

actually it was a failed joke...you said you wouldnt post for another month...then i see four posts...no alcohol necessary...i can botch a joke just fine sober

AAFitz wrote:edited....

however...it is a club...so lack has decided to err on the side of not offending people with it based on the fact that many consider it a form of racism

if this was a public forum, i think he'd be way off...but since its his club, he has the right to choose....
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i removed part of the quoted text above.

In many countries it is illegal and not just morally repulsive to show nazi symbols. Even a private club has to respect the law in that sense. Although this law may in this case not apply to CC (since its servers are not based in such a country), it is worth mentioning.

that a username/avatar can be offencive to someone is in my eyes a reason why there is an ignore list.
As to names/avatars that are not just offencive but also criminal, well those should be deleted or altered, if for no other reason then to comply to law.

people may make a claim about what should or should not be allowed on CC, and i agree with AAFitz and others that this is up to Lack to clear that up for us.

anyways thanks for you attention.

as to my personal view. i dont care much about this particular username(neither pro nor con). i do know i shall not play with this player...

yeah, I have no idea how the legalities work out...im sure its a nightmare

because the countries that make it illegal can undoubtedly look it up on the web...but from the US standpoint, we just don't consider symbols to be illegal

but i wouldnt hang out at a bar that had one on the wall either

molestedbygod wrote:Rueben, you're a fag, mind your own and put me on your ignore list. I chose the name because in Spanish molestar means "to bother," and plus my bro invited me to this site so I thought I would harras him some since he's uber-religious, probably like you. At least he's not a homo pedaphile like you tho, we all know the Romans and Greeks molested little boys. Get a life.

Actually my name is Ruben, but thanks for your interesting comments. Basically you just admitted that you chose the name to offend other people's religious beliefs. Regarding the name calling and attacks about my personal life you know nothing about me and you never will!

eye84free wrote:

gerry22 wrote:

reverend_kyle wrote:Even christians claim god touches them daily.

lol, it's funny because it's true

i like rev but i think he gets touched daily him self....hmmmm

using the hand of god, because I"m a reverend and I can do that.

lackattack wrote:Okay Reuben - here is an official response to your "abuse report": The username molestedbygod is allowed. Few people would find that username offensive. I don't find it offensive. It doesn't target any religion in particular.

I agree entirely with Nephilim's point of view. Expression of opinion is a fundamental freedom, but in free and democratic societies we put limits on hate speech. The general consensus is that such limits are resonable and justified.

Here on CC, we take a liberal approach to moderation. But it isn't a free-for-all. We have moderators and guidelines. I find some things to be unacceptable, and I draw the line with Nazi glorification on the bad side and "molestedbygod" on the okay side. If you don't agree with where I or the other moderators draw the line (or that we draw a line at all) that's fine and you can voice your opinion. But it's our judgement call, and we will be selective and subjective.

i find this username very offensive since i am christian