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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:01 am
by strike wolf
cowshrptrn wrote:strike wolf wrote: This is another example of why I do not like the party system. People get judged by what party they run under not who they are. And as Morph's relative said "any woman but that woman".
This is the comparative Politics student in me talking but...
The system of electing leaders we have naturally regresses into a 2 party system. Same thing is happening in England (and they have much stricter party discipline, but a lot more accountability so they actually get things done)
Yeah I shouldn't have said party system. What I really meant is how it is working. I understand that this country will probably always have just 2 parties that really stand a chance at winning, heck 3rd party candidates don't even get to participate in the debates. BUT I do not like how it is headed. It is at this point, becomig a problem where the 2 parties cannot see eye to eye.
I was commenting on how candidates are often viewed in the party sytem. A person is often just seen as a republican or democrat and these people who think that way may vote strictly based on political lines and not necessarily for the better candidate.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:02 am
by Lord Canti
cowshrptrn wrote:strike wolf wrote: This is another example of why I do not like the party system. People get judged by what party they run under not who they are. And as Morph's relative said "any woman but that woman".
This is the comparative Politics student in me talking but...
The system of electing leaders we have naturally regresses into a 2 party system. Same thing is happening in England (and they have much stricter party discipline, but a lot more accountability so they actually get things done)
It's only a two party system because the people keep it that way. We've doomed ourselves two it.
Something I find funny....While we realistiacally have only two choices in America when we vote for president....we have....
50 candidates for Miss USA (and we can't even get that right)
9 different flavors of Pringles
100's of TV channels
16 possible American Idols
and, most importantly, 7 settings on a blender
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:55 am
by DIRESTRAITS
Kylie wrote:i dont know i just put that there so that kids wouldnt come in and not really be able to talk about it cause there not old enough to really understand just mea that its an adult convo
Is 16 okay?
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:22 am
by reverend_kyle
Hillary couldn't win the primary even if she was running under the name of bill.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:55 am
by Kylie
strike wolf wrote:Kylie wrote:i dont know i know she is not the most liked person in the world i just dont feel we need another republican running this country she might be the only option
This is another example of why I do not like the party system. People get judged by what party they run under not who they are. And as Morph's relative said "any woman but that woman".
yeah but the way i see it is bush is republican and he royaly screwed this country into the ground and i think its about time we get some democrats in there to fix the job lets face it republican =rich people and democrat = poor poeple we we can use all the help we can get
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:54 am
by vtmarik
I don't like Hillary. I don't trust her. I wouldn't vote for her if she paid me and offered me Chelsea's first-born.
I wouldn't vote for her if she put a knife to my chest. She's culturally conservative, and when I say that I mean that she sticks to social mores we left behind in the 1950s. With the platform she runs with, her best choice of running mate would be Lieberman.
Honestly, I'd rather vote for the decayed corpse of Richard Nixon than her.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:07 am
by max is gr8
Apart from the fact this thread is agist I'm intrested in worldwi=de politics and I've read a bit about most of them and either way I have a favourite and my favourite is Obama. But I will say that there is a chance if either of these people are elected they have a higher chance of being assassinated than many of the others
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:39 am
by Jesse, Bad Boy
I don't know if I'll be voting in this upcoming election, due to the current line up. It's either big-government socialists, or big government mercantilists, and frankly I want neither. Although, Ron Paul is looking like an exception. The only thing about him that I don't like is his anti-choice stance.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:41 am
by vtmarik
Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:I don't know if I'll be voting in this upcoming election, due to the current line up. It's either big-government socialists, or big government mercantilists, and frankly I want neither. Although, Ron Paul is looking like an exception. The only thing about him that I don't like is his anti-choice stance.
Phillip J. Fry wrote:I'm going to send these bozos a message on Election Day by staying at home and dressing up like a clown!
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:44 am
by MeDeFe
neoni wrote:american politics is a joke
I concur.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:53 am
by cmckinney
Hmmmm why not to vote for Hillary?
2 words. LIBERAL BITCH
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:20 am
by Guiscard
This thread has yielded perhaps 2 genuinely informed political comments so far.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:24 am
by jay_a2j
Hillary.... not here, not now, not ever.
Not no, but HELL NO!
Anybody but Hillary.
Hillary has already run the country for 8 years.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:25 am
by Minkish
I'm a democrat, and I'm against Hillary.
It's nothing really agaisnt her politics, or stance on issues. It's more because having her in office would be just as bad as having Bush in office was.
Half of the country absolutely hated Bush from the beginning. If Hillary is elected, it will be the same exact thing. I have yet to see a Republican who has one nice word to say about Hillary, so if she were ellected in, it would just continue to fuel the complete seperation and alienation of the two parties.
We need to elect someone who is more moderate, and less of an extreme right or left winger. Personally, I would love to see a Bi-partisan Pres/vice pres.
Right now, my ideal would be an Obama/McCain ticket.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:28 am
by btownmeggy
I'd vote for her in the general election, but not in a primary.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:30 am
by btownmeggy
Minkish wrote:We need to elect someone who is more moderate, and less of an extreme right or left winger.
Hillary is NOT an extreme left winger. She is much more conservative than Obama, who is also not an extreme left winger.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:31 am
by btownmeggy
jay_a2j wrote:Hillary has already run the country for 8 years.
And she did a really good job of it?
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:33 am
by jay_a2j
btownmeggy wrote:Minkish wrote:We need to elect someone who is more moderate, and less of an extreme right or left winger.
Hillary is NOT an extreme left winger. She is much more conservative than Obama, who is also not an extreme left winger.
Yes she is. She's just is moving to the right because she can pick up more votes that way. She is a liberal feminist through and through.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:38 am
by Guiscard
Minkish wrote:Half of the country absolutely hated Bush from the beginning. If Hillary is elected, it will be the same exact thing. I have yet to see a Republican who has one nice word to say about Hillary, so if she were ellected in, it would just continue to fuel the complete seperation and alienation of the two parties.
A separation of parties and stances should be at the heart of politics! I fail to see how people see it as a bad thing. The constant drift to the centre in modern politics (both in the US and the UK) makes it harder for the people to have their say, in that if the people desire a government from the 'left' or 'right' (although those ters can only be used loosely) they cannot pick one. Parties should be seperate and alien, else we have a one-party system where two groups of MPs or Congressmen or whatever just have different names. I believe the core of the current political apathy present in the UK (don't know about the US really, but I imagine it as at least in some way similar) is that people have the attitude that whoever they elect will do the same thing. The right
should hate the left because they hold different political values.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:44 am
by Sammy gags
Even though I am not an adult & don't know that much about politics, I would like to see a black man as president
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:04 pm
by jay_a2j
btownmeggy wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Hillary has already run the country for 8 years.
And she did a really good job of it?
If you consider reducing our military to dangerously low levels.
If you don't mind that the administration taking credit for an economy that was fueled by a Republican House and Senate.
If you don't mind the lies and sex scandals.
If you don't mind our nuke secrets being sold to China.
Yeah, she was a blast!
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:18 pm
by morph
Bush gets blamed for not having enough troops, hillary went off on him i do believe for not having enough troops so we should pull out of iraq.... well hello you stupid bitch, your husband is the one that cut the military down to shit, he is the one that made our military underfunded and made it so they dont have the best equipment...
Kylie, i like you, i really do, but first you lost a bit of respect by even going towards wanting hillary in... second you lost a lot of respect because you want to vote her in, because she is of the freakin political party you chose...
voting by just political party, is what fucks up everything, you dont use common sense when you vote just political parties... its why i am not affiliated with any party, i choose to listen to what they say, what they have shown and all that
Hillary has shown that with her husband she is a fucking dumbass!! she could have influenced bill on so many things and yet now she is out preaching to do those things, why didint she make bill do them earlier, she has him wrapped around her finger... (any smart woman would, god i know im calling her smart v.v)
also hillary has shown her complete lack of respect towards our fire fighters and our police who died in 9/11 when she wouldnt show up for the parade in their honor, saying she was to busy... hell people who were not even from her state showed up... and she is elected to represent new york.... and she didint fuckin show up... it was thanksgiving, her family, her husband alone has enough money to fly her there for that, and then fly her back in time for supper and all that...
also she has done shit for New York, the old mayor did more for New York then she has ever done...
also if she did become president, and when she got out of office, between her and bill, they would make enough money to feed the whole state of Maine... not shitty food either, not cheap food, but decent meals, and i do believe they would still have enough to live wealthy...
anyone woman but that damn woman.... if she is a woman..
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:22 pm
by Kylie
ok what the question should really say is if she was the only democratic choice would you vote for her knowing how bad the republican party's have been i mean i dont think alot of people really care who it is this time as long as its not a republican i know thats kinda how i feel i cant stand republicans no affense to anyone but for real most of them are rich and there are few poor rebuplicans i call them idiots
im sick of living in a country where more people vote for american idle then they do for our president im sick of the fact that healthcare is such a joke and if u get caught without it your life is ruined.
and beyond that i would never vote bush in again i think he is the biggest pig in the world to make a comment about parents with kids on assistance should try to get married .... hahaha what a freakin idiot like that will make it better... yeah lets convince them to marry so they will have 2 incomes and we can cut them off ! its all a bunch of crap to me...
ok i have ranted enough for the day lol
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:27 pm
by Jesse, Bad Boy
jay_a2j wrote:btownmeggy wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Hillary has already run the country for 8 years.
And she did a really good job of it?
If you consider reducing our military to dangerously low levels.
I was in the Navy during the so called "reduction". Trust me, it was nothing as ridiculous as the reduction that the Bush Administration approved when they implemented cutting 20,000 airmen by 2009. Besides, why would we need an ultra-powerful military, when Russia had collapsed?
If you don't mind that the administration taking credit for an economy that was fueled by a Republican House and Senate.
An economy that was balanced by
raising taxes and cutting down the military. If the Republicans want to take the blame for that, I'd be more then happy to assign them that.
If you don't mind the lies and sex scandals.
Actually, I didn't. It was none of our business to begin with. Moreover, I thought this was Hillary we are talking about, not Bill.
If you don't mind our nuke secrets being sold to China.
I have yet to see proof that they were sold, instead of stolen, which the CIA has corroborated time and time again.
Yeah, she was a blast!
That is, if you believe the disgusting rhetoric that she "ran" the country.
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:31 pm
by Kylie
i dont know im sure she put in her imput cause she is a woman and im not saying she did help but he did a better job than bush ever did and clinton i mean come on how can we get mad at someone for getting some he*d i mean we got millions of cheating americans some our friends but were not treating them the way everyone treated clinton.