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Re: Spread the message
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:51 pm
by BigBallinStalin
huamulan wrote:If you support American involvement in WW1, WW2, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and/or Syria then it's logical to assume that you'd also care about Indonesia.
All of these being examples of times the US has sent/condoned the sending of troops to stop regimes from killing people in other countries.
The incentives for people to support such wars are different. Here's just one example:
Think about how people would respond to a possible war if (1) they would be drafted, or (2) they would not be drafted. In economics, this type of scenario is called a relative price change. There's a difference in the price, thus a difference in the cost-benefit analysis of each individual wanting to participate in this exchange.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:27 am
by PLAYER57832
thegreekdog wrote:Does Indonesia have any natural resources we can exploit? With the two wars we are currently in winding down, perhaps Indonesia is next? I always thought it would be Iran, but I suppose the American government could be persuaded otherwise.
Just wait for Obama to leave. After all, since Obama went to school there, its obeviously a hotbed of terrorist and anti-American sentiment and must be destroyed! (sarcasm alert)
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:04 am
by BigBallinStalin
Army of GOD wrote:
Unless there's a highly demanded resource in Indonesia, there's a 0% chance the US will do anything.
Pretty much. As far as I know, the US is simply pleased with its current relations with Indonesia. They support the war on terror, and whoever they beat down in their own territories doesn't really affect US relations.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:10 am
by thegreekdog
PLAYER57832 wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Does Indonesia have any natural resources we can exploit? With the two wars we are currently in winding down, perhaps Indonesia is next? I always thought it would be Iran, but I suppose the American government could be persuaded otherwise.
Just wait for Obama to leave. After all, since Obama went to school there, its obeviously a hotbed of terrorist and anti-American sentiment and must be destroyed! (sarcasm alert)
What makes you think President Obama would not direct US military intervention in a foreign jurisdiction? Say, for example, Libya or Egypt or Iran?
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:33 am
by BigBallinStalin
thegreekdog wrote:Does Indonesia have any natural resources we can exploit? With the two wars we are currently in winding down, perhaps Indonesia is next? I always thought it would be Iran, but I suppose the American government could be persuaded otherwise.
Indonesia serves as a counter-weight against China, so I don't see why the US would want to unnecessarily threaten military action against Indonesia. If anything, they'd trade them weapons so that their state can retain its power against the evil insurgents/terrorists.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:48 am
by saxitoxin
notyou2 wrote:There are a great deal of US people with German heritage. It was a very touchy subject at the time, but Pearl Harbor definitely clinched it.
yeah that was definitely convenient
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=t5 ... rbor&hl=en
“The question the President posed to me today was how we should maneuver them (Japan) into the position of firing the first shot.” - Secretary of War Stimson, June 1941
"All the President's efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them." - Vice-Admiral Beatty, May 1958
on December 10, 1941, the German Chancery wrote:
He [Roosevelt] moved still closer to war in September 1940 when he transferred fifty American naval destroyers to the British fleet, and in return took control of military bases on British possessions in North and Central America. Future generations will determine the extent to which, along with all this hatred against socialist Germany, the desire to easily and safely take control of the British empire in its hour of disintegration may have also played a role.
As early as December 19, 1939, an American cruiser [the Tuscaloosa] that was inside the security zone maneuvered the [German] passenger liner Columbus into the hands of British warships. As a result, it had to be scuttled. On that same day, US military forces helped in an effort to capture the German merchant ship Arauca. On January 27, 1940, and once again contrary to international law, the US cruiser Trenton reported the movements of the German merchant ships Arauca, La Plata and Wangoni to enemy naval forces.
On April 15, 1939, Roosevelt made his famous appeal to us and Signore Mussolini, which was a mixture of geographical and political ignorance combined with the arrogance of a member of the millionaire class. We were called upon to make declarations and to conclude non-aggression pacts with a number of countries, many of which were not even independent because they had either been annexed or turned into subordinate protectorates by countries allied with Mr. Roosevelt.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:03 pm
by Army of GOD
Wasn't Indonesia hit by a bunch of tsunamis not too long ago?
I'm sure that killed more people. We should declare war against earthquakes in the Indian Ocean.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:19 pm
by huamulan
There was a fairly small one in 2010.
I think you're getting your Asian countries confused.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:26 pm
by Army of GOD
huamulan wrote:There was a fairly small one in 2010.
I think you're getting your Asian countries confused.
The tsunami caused widespread destruction that displaced more than 20,000 people and affected about 4,000 households. 435 people were reported to have been killed, with over 100 more still missing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_20 ... nd_tsunami
I guess compared to the one's from last year that hit Japan that's small, but still...
Also, I never screw up my geography man.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:57 pm
by Army of GOD
HOLY TITS GUYS THIS KONY GUY IS EVIL
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:12 pm
by CreepersWiener
Army of GOD wrote:HOLY TITS GUYS THIS KONY GUY IS EVIL
WHO?
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:59 am
by chang50
This message will be lucky to reach many more people than the plight of the Timorese in the 70's,Indonesia is strategically important to guess who,so all atrocities will be ignored.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:44 pm
by rdsrds2120
Army of GOD wrote:HOLY TITS GUYS THIS KONY GUY IS EVIL
All of that campaigning and he still didn't win. Bummer!
BMO
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:17 pm
by 2dimes
CreepersWiener wrote:
WHO?
Leia.
Re: Spread the message
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:57 pm
by Army of GOD
rdsrds2120 wrote:Army of GOD wrote:HOLY TITS GUYS THIS KONY GUY IS EVIL
All of that campaigning and he still didn't win. Bummer!
BMO
That's the problem with third party candidates.