Conquer Club

i don't know any of them (i'm british)

Nephilim wrote:you know rudy is pro-abortion rights and a demonstrable adulterer, rite?

and that he rides on the coattails of chance: he happened to be the mayor of NYC on 9/11 and has milked that into his current position. he has no national experience in politics! he hasn't even held a position for years. how could he possibly be the best candidate?

I am aware of his abortion stance and disagree with it. Of those listed he is IMO the best choice. Experience? Obama has very little. I believe Rudy to be a genuinely sincere man.... something we have been lacking in recent elections.


I'm picking from the group given, none of them are perfect. And liberals won't ever get my vote.

I'm voting Maddox. Anti-Abortion, Pro-Killing-Babies.

That or Stewart/Colbert '08

jay_a2j wrote:

Nephilim wrote:you know rudy is pro-abortion rights and a demonstrable adulterer, rite?

and that he rides on the coattails of chance: he happened to be the mayor of NYC on 9/11 and has milked that into his current position. he has no national experience in politics! he hasn't even held a position for years. how could he possibly be the best candidate?

I am aware of his abortion stance and disagree with it. Of those listed he is IMO the best choice. Experience? Obama has very little. I believe Rudy to be a genuinely sincere man.... something we have been lacking in recent elections.


I'm picking from the group given, none of them are perfect. And liberals won't ever get my vote.

lol, nice argument: part 1, i know you are but what am i? part 2, ridiculous naivete

Bill Richardson.

Please watch this heart-warming ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNULOPEvpMM

jay_a2j wrote:

Nephilim wrote:you know rudy is pro-abortion rights and a demonstrable adulterer, rite?

and that he rides on the coattails of chance: he happened to be the mayor of NYC on 9/11 and has milked that into his current position. he has no national experience in politics! he hasn't even held a position for years. how could he possibly be the best candidate?

I am aware of his abortion stance and disagree with it. Of those listed he is IMO the best choice. Experience? Obama has very little. I believe Rudy to be a genuinely sincere man.... something we have been lacking in recent elections.


I'm picking from the group given, none of them are perfect. And liberals won't ever get my vote.

And I'm guessing that you wouldnt vote democrat b/c your a christain conservative right? Man, those republicans really did a good job at brainwashing your mind into making you believe that they are 'the party of Christ'. If you take a look at the churches actual stance, you would see that they are neither republican or democrat. They are pro-gun control (Democrat), anti-abortion(Republican), anti-death penalty(Democrat), anti-stem cell research (Republican), and anti-gay marraige(Republicans). I just cannot stand brainwashed Christian Conservatives. What hurts me, and makes me lose a large amount of respect for the Christian faith is that you guys can't figure this out. You want to be a real christian? Vote independant, otherwise please don't bother at all.

I am assuming that you, being a Christian Conservative, are anti-gay marraige. Why? How does this even remotley effect you as a person? Even if the "holy sanctity" of marraige isn't protected, who cares? Again, how at all does this effect you? Does it somehow make your marraige void? What you are doing by denying these people the right to marry is dehumanizing. For me, I believe people or born heterosexual or not, based on genetics, but even giving you the benefit of the doubt that it is not, the reasoning behind not allowing these people to marry still doesnt make sense to me.

I wont even go into abortion and stem cell research b/c that all depends on when you believe life begins (and whether you like orphans, and "life" going to waste in freezers while other people are paralyzed, are missing limbs, suffering from serious brain and heart diseases and even dying from diseases that stem cells could cure, or not).

rudy probably is the best candidate

dwightschrute wrote:rudy probably is the best candidate

He decent...a very bi-partisan guy, but still, what did he do before 9/11? If 9/11 never happened, do you think he would be running? No. And if he did, do you honestly think he would have a chance in the primaries? No. The only thing that pisses me off about him is that he is running pretty much on that and only that.

i agree but wen it happened he handled it wel

Exactly. Rudy's generally been a pretty moderate repub with a few minor slipups (banning the poop-smearedvirgin mary paintng, for one - 1st amendment, for God's sake!) but mostly, the reason I'm praying he's not nominated would be the campaign commercials featuring 9/11 all summer. Having Romney bash my home state for 5 months would suck, but not as bad as seeing those images, which you know we would

ritz627 wrote:

dwightschrute wrote:rudy probably is the best candidate

He decent...a very bi-partisan guy, but still, what did he do before 9/11? If 9/11 never happened, do you think he would be running? No. And if he did, do you honestly think he would have a chance in the primaries? No. The only thing that pisses me off about him is that he is running pretty much on that and only that.

He was hired by Mexico City mayor Lopez Obrador to reform that city's police corps. He did a pretty good job and sure made Lopez Obrador popular in Mexico... but not popular enough to win the Presidency last year.

hes gonna be the republican rep

ritz627 wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

Nephilim wrote:you know rudy is pro-abortion rights and a demonstrable adulterer, rite?

and that he rides on the coattails of chance: he happened to be the mayor of NYC on 9/11 and has milked that into his current position. he has no national experience in politics! he hasn't even held a position for years. how could he possibly be the best candidate?

I am aware of his abortion stance and disagree with it. Of those listed he is IMO the best choice. Experience? Obama has very little. I believe Rudy to be a genuinely sincere man.... something we have been lacking in recent elections.


I'm picking from the group given, none of them are perfect. And liberals won't ever get my vote.

And I'm guessing that you wouldnt vote democrat b/c your a christain conservative right? Man, those republicans really did a good job at brainwashing your mind into making you believe that they are 'the party of Christ'. If you take a look at the churches actual stance, you would see that they are neither republican or democrat. They are pro-gun control (Democrat), anti-abortion(Republican), anti-death penalty(Democrat), anti-stem cell research (Republican), and anti-gay marraige(Republicans). I just cannot stand brainwashed Christian Conservatives. What hurts me, and makes me lose a large amount of respect for the Christian faith is that you guys can't figure this out. You want to be a real christian? Vote independant, otherwise please don't bother at all.

I am assuming that you, being a Christian Conservative, are anti-gay marraige. Why? How does this even remotley effect you as a person? Even if the "holy sanctity" of marraige isn't protected, who cares? Again, how at all does this effect you? Does it somehow make your marraige void? What you are doing by denying these people the right to marry is dehumanizing. For me, I believe people or born heterosexual or not, based on genetics, but even giving you the benefit of the doubt that it is not, the reasoning behind not allowing these people to marry still doesnt make sense to me.

I wont even go into abortion and stem cell research b/c that all depends on when you believe life begins (and whether you like orphans, and "life" going to waste in freezers while other people are paralyzed, are missing limbs, suffering from serious brain and heart diseases and even dying from diseases that stem cells could cure, or not).

Do not assume to know what I am or what I believe. I'd go into brainwashing of the LEFT but I digress. I have come to my political stances on my own, thank you very much. I ALSO believe in ABSOLUTE right and wrong. Which is why I am against gay marriage.You are right, it doesn't effect me... but neither does tougher sentences for pedophiles, keeping weed illegal or securing our boarders against the mass invasion of illegals!

I am:

Pro-life

Anti-death penalty

Anti-welfare programs

Anti-gay marriage

Pro-gun control (not ban)

Pro-Israel

Anti- drug legalization

Anti-stem cell research (see Pro-life stance)

As for how"real Christians" vote...you can't lump them into any one party. For reasons I can't possibly fathom, there are Christians that vote Democrat. If ANY party can be classified as "Anti-God" it is the Democratic Party hands down. Now, where Jesus may not be a card carrying member of the vast right-wing conspiracy, He sure has a lot more in common with the conservatives.

jay_a2j wrote:[Jesus] sure has a lot more in common with the conservatives.

Ah, so most conservatives also have magic powers?

What? Are you serious? Let's investigate:

Jesus: Help your fellow man.
Conservatives: Flat tax to keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

Jesus: You were created in God's image. You have a penis and a vagina.
Conservatives: Condoms are wrong.

unriggable wrote:What? Are you serious? Let's investigate:

Jesus: Help your fellow man.
Conservatives: Flat tax to keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

Jesus: You were created in God's image. You have a penis and a vagina.
Conservatives: Condoms are wrong.

unriggable wrote:Conservatives: Flat tax to keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

So the rich should be poor?

I've never heard of someone working for a poor person. Nor have I heard of a poor person creating any jobs.

jay_a2j wrote:Which is why I am against gay marriage.You are right, it doesn't effect me... but neither does tougher sentences for pedophiles, keeping weed illegal or securing our boarders against the mass invasion of illegals!

That is where you are wrong. Two people who love each other getting married doesn't affect you in anyway. They may move beside you, but who cares. They are just another married couple. You don't have to talk to them, like them, or give them anything. However, pedophiles rapping your's and others children does. Weed becoming legal and being able to simply purchase it at any old corner store does, because you are being exposed to it, and seeing adds for it, and see people smoking it on the streets. A mass invasion of illegals does affect you a lot as well. They get jobs that could be filled by an unemployed American and possibly put a drain on the economy.

hecter wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Which is why I am against gay marriage.You are right, it doesn't effect me... but neither does tougher sentences for pedophiles, keeping weed illegal or securing our boarders against the mass invasion of illegals!

That is where you are wrong. Two people who love each other getting married doesn't affect you in anyway. They may move beside you, but who cares. They are just another married couple. You don't have to talk to them, like them, or give them anything. However, pedophiles rapping your's and others children does. Weed becoming legal and being able to simply purchase it at any old corner store does, because you are being exposed to it, and seeing adds for it, and see people smoking it on the streets. A mass invasion of illegals does affect you a lot as well. They get jobs that could be filled by an unemployed American and possibly put a drain on the economy.

And gay marriage effects me because its wrong. Lets see some OTHER examples that don't effect me (maybe you can refute those too)

Abortion

Stem cell research

Iraq

jay_a2j wrote:And gay marriage effects me because its wrong. Lets see some OTHER examples that don't effect me (maybe you can refute those too)

Abortion

Stem cell research

Iraq

Abortion - doesn't affect you

Stem cell research - you can always refuse treatment that uses stem cell reasearch

Iraq - affects the economy and the people (being sent to die and all)

btownmeggy wrote:Bill Richardson.

You're guy has no chance. He has too much common sense and not enough ideological fervor. He also refuses to do any mudslinging against other candidates, which is a definite disadvantage in a campaign.

dwightschrute wrote:rudy probably is the best candidate

wow, this is completely ridiculous. meggy alerted us to his commendable and successful efforts w/ the mexico city police. but that tells me one thing: he's a great city administrator. he has ZERO national political experience. obama don't have much, but he's got more than rudy. the guy's a schill....and what exactly did he do so well after 9/11? read some nice speeches that other folks wrote? pose for a bunch of photos with the firemen and policemen doing all the work? how did he become a hero out of that anyway?

he should be known most for cleaning up new york, reducing crime drastically. but that ain't good enuff for presidential qualifications. has a lowly retired mayor ever been elected, even nominated, in US history?

jay_a2j wrote:

ritz627 wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

Nephilim wrote:you know rudy is pro-abortion rights and a demonstrable adulterer, rite?

and that he rides on the coattails of chance: he happened to be the mayor of NYC on 9/11 and has milked that into his current position. he has no national experience in politics! he hasn't even held a position for years. how could he possibly be the best candidate?

I am aware of his abortion stance and disagree with it. Of those listed he is IMO the best choice. Experience? Obama has very little. I believe Rudy to be a genuinely sincere man.... something we have been lacking in recent elections.


I'm picking from the group given, none of them are perfect. And liberals won't ever get my vote.

And I'm guessing that you wouldnt vote democrat b/c your a christain conservative right? Man, those republicans really did a good job at brainwashing your mind into making you believe that they are 'the party of Christ'. If you take a look at the churches actual stance, you would see that they are neither republican or democrat. They are pro-gun control (Democrat), anti-abortion(Republican), anti-death penalty(Democrat), anti-stem cell research (Republican), and anti-gay marraige(Republicans). I just cannot stand brainwashed Christian Conservatives. What hurts me, and makes me lose a large amount of respect for the Christian faith is that you guys can't figure this out. You want to be a real christian? Vote independant, otherwise please don't bother at all.

I am assuming that you, being a Christian Conservative, are anti-gay marraige. Why? How does this even remotley effect you as a person? Even if the "holy sanctity" of marraige isn't protected, who cares? Again, how at all does this effect you? Does it somehow make your marraige void? What you are doing by denying these people the right to marry is dehumanizing. For me, I believe people or born heterosexual or not, based on genetics, but even giving you the benefit of the doubt that it is not, the reasoning behind not allowing these people to marry still doesnt make sense to me.

I wont even go into abortion and stem cell research b/c that all depends on when you believe life begins (and whether you like orphans, and "life" going to waste in freezers while other people are paralyzed, are missing limbs, suffering from serious brain and heart diseases and even dying from diseases that stem cells could cure, or not).

Do not assume to know what I am or what I believe. I'd go into brainwashing of the LEFT but I digress. I have come to my political stances on my own, thank you very much. I ALSO believe in ABSOLUTE right and wrong. Which is why I am against gay marriage.You are right, it doesn't effect me... but neither does tougher sentences for pedophiles, keeping weed illegal or securing our boarders against the mass invasion of illegals!

I am:

Pro-life

Anti-death penalty

Anti-welfare programs

Anti-gay marriage

Pro-gun control (not ban)

Pro-Israel

Anti- drug legalization

Anti-stem cell research (see Pro-life stance)

As for how"real Christians" vote...you can't lump them into any one party. For reasons I can't possibly fathom, there are Christians that vote Democrat. If ANY party can be classified as "Anti-God" it is the Democratic Party hands down. Now, where Jesus may not be a card carrying member of the vast right-wing conspiracy, He sure has a lot more in common with the conservatives.

First, what is scary is that everything I "assumed" that you were for and against was absolutely spot on. Tougher sentances for pedifiles would be a concern if you had children. Legalization of weed, for the most part, does not effect you, your correct, but then again, I'm also not so sure why you protest to that so much. As for the mass invasion of illegal immigrants, well, accord to the residents in that area, they "take thier jobs". What I'm saying here is gay marraige does not phsyically or economically affect anyone except for the people geting married. You can't just say that you protest something because its just "wrong", why is it wrong?

What you defined as your beliefs are increadibly christian beliefs. But what I don't get is that some of these beliefs are democratic, yet for some reason you "cannot possibly fathom" any christian voting for them. As for the democrats being the more anti-god "hands-down", I would seriously doubt you. Have you seen or heard of the atrocities commited by the Republican partly lately, especially Cheney and Rove?

The Republican party has been notorious for the suppport of Big Business. Now since I am forbidden to assume what you believe...let me ask you, whats your opinions on tax cuts which favor the rich (certainly Jesus wouldn't be for that)? welfare? socail security money to help the elderly? universal healthcare (for the people who are too poor to afford it)? the mass deportation of jobs, and just unions for that matter? These are the issues that affect the average american.

Waitin' for a response...

ritz627 wrote:The Republican party has been notorious for the suppport of Big Business. let me ask you, whats your opinions on tax cuts which favor the rich (certainly Jesus wouldn't be for that)?

The top 5% of wage earners pay 53.25% of the taxes collected.
The top 10% of wage earners pay 64.89% of the taxes collected.
The top 50% of wage earners pay 96.03% of the taxes collected.

So let me finish the math for you. The bottom 50% pay 3.97% of taxes collected.

The top 50% also earns 86.19% of income generated in the U.S.
The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition.