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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:11 pm
by laffytaffygurl
DirtyDishSoap wrote:chessplaya wrote:foolish_yeti wrote:ooops- voted before reading....
global warming is real, but it's not caused by man...only made worse.
I 2nd that
it was going to happen eventually
It was going to happen sometime, man just made it happen faster.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:19 pm
by chewyman
genius6 wrote:chewyman wrote:That's a pretty limited poll you've got yourself. I voted yes but really I'm somewhere in between. Global warming is a reality, but it's also a natural phenomenon (as well as a human one). Either way, the effect isn't as drastic as The Day After Tomorrow or even the sensationalised junk in the media today.
If you look at a graph of temperatures in the last 10,000+ years, you'll see just how wrong you are. Pre 20th century the graph looked like a ziggzagging line going upward. Since the Industrial Revolution, Temperature has gone WAY up.
Well if you know your prehistoric history you'll know that scientists believe the world's natural climate change occurs at varying speeds. I can't remember the source, do a google if your desperate I guess, but present rates are
not the fastest that temperatures have changed in the earth's history. Either way, I'm not arguing that humans are having some of an effect, just not as much as has been portrayed by the media.
EDIT: oh, and jay_a2j, fantastic avatar
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:39 pm
by mibi
this thread is full of dummies. this topic has been beaten to death buy thousands of...
...scientists.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:43 pm
by genius6
chewyman wrote:genius6 wrote:chewyman wrote:That's a pretty limited poll you've got yourself. I voted yes but really I'm somewhere in between. Global warming is a reality, but it's also a natural phenomenon (as well as a human one). Either way, the effect isn't as drastic as The Day After Tomorrow or even the sensationalised junk in the media today.
If you look at a graph of temperatures in the last 10,000+ years, you'll see just how wrong you are. Pre 20th century the graph looked like a ziggzagging line going upward. Since the Industrial Revolution, Temperature has gone WAY up.
Well if you know your prehistoric history you'll know that scientists believe the world's natural climate change occurs at varying speeds. I can't remember the source, do a google if your desperate I guess, but present rates are
not the fastest that temperatures have changed in the earth's history. Either way, I'm not arguing that humans are having some of an effect, just not as much as has been portrayed by the media.
EDIT: oh, and jay_a2j, fantastic avatar
So what
were the fastest rates at that temperatures have changed in the Earth's history? And why?
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:48 pm
by Bigfalcon65
Global warming is caused by many things, the change in our orbit, the tilt of our planet, volcanic eruptions, and changes in the sun. Our planet has warmed and cooled since the dawn of life. However, man is making it worse. Since the Industrial revolution, we have been burning fosil feuls and bio mass which give off so called "green house" gasses which all absorb and emit heat.
Studies have shown these gasses have changed the atmosphere to the point where temprature, precipitation, storms and sea level are all effected.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:55 pm
by chewyman
genius6 wrote:So what were the fastest rates at that temperatures have changed in the Earth's history? And why?
chewyman wrote:I can't remember the source, do a google if your desperate I guess
Can't say I ever really fully understood the science behind the ice age so I can't tell you why. I know that volcanoes and asteroids can kick up enough material to blot out the sun and rend the earth very cold for years. But again, I'm not a scientist and I'm sure there are many more reasons with much greater effects.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:56 pm
by Bigfalcon65
chewyman wrote:genius6 wrote:So what were the fastest rates at that temperatures have changed in the Earth's history? And why?
chewyman wrote:I can't remember the source, do a google if your desperate I guess
Can't say I ever really fully understood the science behind the ice age so I can't tell you why. I know that volcanoes and asteroids can kick up enough material to blot out the sun and rend the earth very cold for years. But again, I'm not a scientist and I'm sure there are many more reasons with much greater effects.
Well the mini ice age that occured in about 1817 was caused by a volcanoe, global temp.s droped as much as 5 deg ferihient.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:04 pm
by chewyman
Oh, my favourite historically unorthodox theory comes up here!
Apparently there was an enormous volcano around Iceland in the late 1780's. The ash blotted out the sun and resulted in very poor crop harvests in Western Europe. The result was that French people (who had very inefficient farming techniques (and still do
)) starved and blamed their king. Thus the French Revolution.
Incidentally, my other favourite theory on the French Revolution is Louis XVI's unnaturally tight fore skin that made it painful and difficult for him to have an erection. As a result Marie Antoinette got quite the reputation for fulfilling her sexual urges elsewhere, leading to her unpopularity. His inefficiency in the sensuality department left Louis weak minded, i.e. he was not a firm leader and couldn't control his subjects with the necessary strictness.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:58 am
by Anarchist
laffytaffygurl wrote:DirtyDishSoap wrote:chessplaya wrote:foolish_yeti wrote:ooops- voted before reading....
global warming is real, but it's not caused by man...only made worse.
I 2nd that
it was going to happen eventually
It was going to happen sometime, man just made it happen faster.
I just wanted to note that "sometime" means the distant future
and "faster" means during your childrens lives.
I think global warming is a part of a much bigger problem
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:27 am
by Neutrino
Bigfalcon65 wrote:Global warming is caused by many things, the change in our orbit, the tilt of our planet, volcanic eruptions, and changes in the sun. Our planet has warmed and cooled since the dawn of life. However, man is making it worse. Since the Industrial revolution, we have been burning fosil feuls and bio mass which give off so called "green house" gasses which all absorb and emit heat.
Studies have shown these gasses have changed the atmosphere to the point where temprature, precipitation, storms and sea level are all effected.
Bigfalcon, I am shocked. Shocked and disgusted.
If only you displayed this level of eloquence in Flame Wars, people might take you seriously.
Anyway: Yes, global warming is natural and yes, humanity is exacerbating the problem.
And at Genius: 10 000 years is really not an adequate temperature graph. You wont even see the changes of a 10 000 uyear graph on a 800 Mill year graph, which is what should be used.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:59 am
by freezie
If the actual phenomen is natural, we wouldn't have been able to tell for a while if we didn't contribute DRAMATICLY to it.
A real problem human-maded.
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:56 am
by Guidocks
freezie wrote:If the actual phenomen is natural, we wouldn't have been able to tell for a while if we didn't contribute DRAMATICLY to it.
A real problem human-maded.
human-maded?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:39 am
by CRAYOLA
the probelm with global warming is that when the earth heats yp it will melt the glaciers and then when they melt freah water will be dumbed in to the ocean changeing the currents that relie on salt water. and it is these currents the carrie heat around the world. then their is no heat in north and south and then the ice age happens.
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:22 am
by Nobunaga
... There a program on CNN, Wednesday at 7pm (and again at 9pm, I think).
... Definitely worth watching. Most especially for the indoctrinated.
>>
Climate of Fear
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:24 am
by Guidocks
Guidocks wrote:freezie wrote:If the actual phenomen is natural, we wouldn't have been able to tell for a while if we didn't contribute DRAMATICLY to it.
A real problem human-maded.
human-maded?
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:24 am
by Iliad
one big problem is that once it starts adn by starts I mean really kicks in, we have almost no hope of stopping it. Global warming melts ice and turns it into water. Ice reflects sunlghit energy, water absorbs. Tundras will release methane, there were a few others but I can't be bothered trying to remember what they wer.
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:54 am
by captainvegetable
I can't believe eight people here believe there is no global warming. How stupid are these fuckers?!
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:12 am
by Guidocks
captainvegetable wrote:I can't believe eight people here believe there is no global warming. How stupid are these fuckers?!
about 10 stupids?
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:51 am
by Nobunaga
... What I find terribly alarming about this whole thing is the manner in which science has ceased being part of the debate. Global warming now has much less to do with science than it does politics. For example, find a post by somebody who questions man's role in global warming, and I know many here immediately start to think, "This guy's a Republican". Likewise going the other way as well, with "Lefty Wack-Job". Everybody's walking around with blinders on (as they do with about everything else these days).
... It's true enough that Al Gore's taking the reins of this thing has politicized it beyond recovery. I just hope we get back to looking at the real science some day soon.
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:00 am
by Guiscard
chewyman wrote:Incidentally, my other favourite theory on the French Revolution is Louis XVI's unnaturally tight fore skin that made it painful and difficult for him to have an erection. As a result Marie Antoinette got quite the reputation for fulfilling her sexual urges elsewhere, leading to her unpopularity. His inefficiency in the sensuality department left Louis weak minded, i.e. he was not a firm leader and couldn't control his subjects with the necessary strictness.
Ahh, the old Tight Foreskin gambit
This was also attributed to Peter III, the impotant husband of Catherine the Great. Some think that Catherine carried out her coup (and became one of the most famous and successful Russian rulers, finally supressing Turkey and, ultimately, cementing Russia as a major European power until the end of the Cold War) because Peter was threateneing divorce because she couldn't provide him with children, when in reality it was his own inefficiency in the bedroom.
So the Cold War occured because the poor guy had a tight foreskin.
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:00 am
by The Dragon
i think that global warming is caused by man
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:16 am
by Iliad
spam... I mean bump
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:44 am
by jay_a2j
I think global whining is cause by man... in fact I'm sure of it.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:50 am
by MeDeFe
Then stop it, you don't have to do it all the time.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:10 am
by spurgistan
Well, there's the greenhouse effect (been around since we've had an atmosphere, which's been a while) and there's global climate change (fairly new, brought about by ye olde homo sapiens). The Earth couldn't support multicellular life without the former reflecting solar energy back against its surface, while if we don't take some reasonably effective action soon against the latter, the ability of the Earth to support that same multicellular life might be seriously diminshed for a while.