Conquer Club

bedub1 wrote:The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Guiscard wrote: socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

reminisco wrote:all of these seem to already be covered by the "mortal sins"

genetic experimentation, -- vanity or pride?

pollution, -- gluttony, sloth

social injustice, -- wrath, lust, vanity

drug abuse -- gluttony, sloth

excessive wealth -- um, greed anyone?

Guiscard wrote:

bedub1 wrote:The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

autoload wrote:

dustn64 wrote:

autoload wrote:I committed a mortal sin last night.

Even I didn't think it was that funny.

bedub1 wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

bedub1 wrote:The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Actually, I was born and raised Roman Catholic. I'm baptized, confirmed and all. Went to a Catholic Grade school, Jesuit High school. It was through all this schooling and education and experiences that I have formed my opinion. It's simple. They have enough money, they should liquidate their assets and do what they preach. Since they don't, they are Hypocrites.

MeDeFe wrote:At least this nicely demonstrates a point I was making earlier (in the muslim discussion thread I think), religion is subject to constant reinterpretation of scripture, dependent on social factors of many different kinds, and as such can not be taken for an unchanging absolute which we have discovered and earlier generations utterly missed.

wicked wrote:They added "Flaming outside of Flame Wars" as a sin.

Frigidus wrote:

brooksieb wrote:The Vatican has extended its list of mortal sins to include 21st century issues such as genetic experimentation, pollution, social injustice, drug abuse and excessive wealth.

Ouch. We're screwed.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

bedub1 wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

bedub1 wrote:The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Actually, I was born and raised Roman Catholic. I'm baptized, confirmed and all. Went to a Catholic Grade school, Jesuit High school. It was through all this schooling and education and experiences that I have formed my opinion. It's simple. They have enough money, they should liquidate their assets and do what they preach. Since they don't, they are Hypocrites.

So far as I know, no one person in the church owns what the church owns. Those 750 billion dollars in assets don't belong to an individual. They belong to a church with thousands of high schools, hundreds of colleges, and countless charities and convents across the world.

Were the church to give away its 750 billion dollars in net assets, it would surrender its ability to provide an alternative to public education and charities across the world.

As a side note, I believe the pope owns nothing.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:At least this nicely demonstrates a point I was making earlier (in the muslim discussion thread I think), religion is subject to constant reinterpretation of scripture, dependent on social factors of many different kinds, and as such can not be taken for an unchanging absolute which we have discovered and earlier generations utterly missed.

So we're blaming the early church for not knowing about genetic experimentation? Riiiiiiight...

Think about it as science. There is but one scientific truth, but we are constantly getting closer and closer to it by studying it and interpreting it according to newfound data. The same goes with religious truths.

MeDeFe wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:At least this nicely demonstrates a point I was making earlier (in the muslim discussion thread I think), religion is subject to constant reinterpretation of scripture, dependent on social factors of many different kinds, and as such can not be taken for an unchanging absolute which we have discovered and earlier generations utterly missed.

So we're blaming the early church for not knowing about genetic experimentation? Riiiiiiight...

Think about it as science. There is but one scientific truth, but we are constantly getting closer and closer to it by studying it and interpreting it according to newfound data. The same goes with religious truths.

No Ambrose, someone claimed that religion is something static, that you look at the text and it's immediately apparent what it means and in which cases it applies (And that therefor Islam is inherently evil, well, whatever). Here we have a case where a whole set of sins are introduced, not just as extensions of the old ones as some have proposed here, but as a new sins. I would propose that the underlying cause is changes in the social framework (human society in general) in which this religion exists. One holy church with a roadmap to salvation based on the absolute Word, the meaning of which is supposedly immediately apparent according to some, of a deity not bound by either space or time? Not really; encrusted as it is, the catholic church has been positively flip-flopping throughout the centuries.

the original post wrote:The Vatican has extended its list of mortal sins to include 21st century issues such as genetic experimentation, pollution, social injustice, drug abuse and excessive wealth.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:
All of these, minus the genetic experimentation and drug abuse, can be determined as sins straight from the Bible. And I'm sure drug abuse is mentioned somewhere in the Bible as well in the context of gluttony or drinking too much wine.

brooksieb wrote:And so the old men bickered on.....well here's the report anyway

The Vatican has extended its list of mortal sins to include 21st century issues such as genetic experimentation, pollution, social injustice, drug abuse and excessive wealth.

Published in the Vatican's official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano the extended list was revealed at the end of a week long refresher course for priests on the sacrament of confession.

According to the Roman Catholic faith a mortal sin must be confessed to a priest and if not absolved or forgiven, will lead to a person's soul being condemned to Hell after death.

Traditionally mortal sins are those which are a breach of the Commandments - murder, adultery, stealing and lying to name but a few.

The new sins were revealed by Gianfranco Girotti, bishop in charge of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican Department which deals with the forgiveness of sins.

Monsignor Girotti, 70, said: ''The reference for sin is the violation of Man's relationship with God and his fellow Man.

''Today there are various new sins which concern the rights of the individual and society and above all these are in the field of bioethics.

''Within this there are several fundamental violations of nature taking place - experiments, genetic manipulation, which are very difficult to control.

''Socially there is the field of drugs which weaken both intelligence and physically, leaving many youngsters outside the ecclesiastical (church) circuit.

''Then elsewhere socially we have inequality of wealth with the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer, this in turns feeds an ever growing social injustice.''

Monsignor Girotti led the confession refresher corse because surveys had revealed that the number of people going was declining.

Many said they felt that they ''found it difficult to talk'' to priests about their sin with some saying they feared a severe reprimand.

Monsignor Girotti said the aim of the course had been to teach priests to be less aggressive and more understanding in the confessional box

brooksieb wrote:''Socially there is the field of drugs which weaken both intelligence and physically, leaving many youngsters outside the ecclesiastical (church) circuit.

mr. incrediball wrote:

brooksieb wrote:''Socially there is the field of drugs which weaken both intelligence and physically, leaving many youngsters outside the ecclesiastical (church) circuit.

doesn't this strike anyone else as strange?

pope: you know, there aren't a lot of teenagers at church these days. why is that?

archbishop 1: is it because the church is a hypocritical farce run by a bunch of old nutters?

archbishop 2: maybe it's because church is boring?

archbishop 3: or maybe it's because your average teenager has more common sense than the entire holy see put together?

pope: no! it must be drugs. let's blame drugs.

Bish 1: drugs, yes.

Bish 2+3: drugs, indeed.


gimme a break

reminisco wrote:all of these seem to already be covered by the "mortal sins"



genetic experimentation, -- vanity or pride?

pollution, -- gluttony, sloth

social injustice, -- wrath, lust, vanity

drug abuse -- gluttony, sloth

excessive wealth -- um, greed anyone?



these new additions just don't work for me. part of what i like about the Mortal Sins is that they strike me less as 'sins' than as 7 basic motivations of human nature.

when i write fiction and i'm trying to create a compelling character, i use the 7 Deadly Sins as a guide. this is based completely on my own observations of human nature on display in the world.

so, my fictional characters (similar to anyone) have 1 dominant 'sin' (although i call it 'motivation'), with 2 ancillary echoes, and the other 4 may express themselves, but only well in the background. using those motivations helps create a character with depth and range.

plus, if you pay attention to the people around you in your own life, you'll see a similar dialectic as that i suggest above.

where the Catholics get it wrong, i think, is in ascribing a necessary "sin" qualification to these most basic of human motivations. i think it's a bit more complicated. the moral value of these intrinsic motivations comes in what we DO with them.

for example, if my primary 'motivation' is that of wrath, then the good comes from how i process and use that motivation.

keeping in mind of course, that good is stronger than evil. (and this is because good is necessarily and act of resistance to evil - often intrinsic to the hearts of all men, and to be evil is necessarily and act of succumbing - to that intrinsic nature of man's heart) of course, good doesn't always triumph over evil, but it is stronger.

so, all of that said, to exercise restraint, but use the wrath burning inside to make real changes, to go after the real bad guys.... that's a good way to use it. to ruthlessly beat the holy living shit out of someone for being bad is not, however. that makes me just like them.

you can think up hypos or real examples for any of the other seven you all wish.

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Guiscard wrote:

bedub1 wrote:The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Napoleon Ier wrote:

Guiscard wrote:

bedub1 wrote:The Roman Catholic Church, based in Rome, is run by Hypocrites. If they were serious about their teachings, they would liquidate their assets, give it to the poor, and lead a life of poverty, working in the field helping people.

Oh, and is it a mortal sin for a priest to rape a young boy, or did they give themselves a free pass on that one....

Your opinion has clearly been subverted by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures.

Such sheer bloody ignorance transcends the realm of the simply un-fucking-believable. Of course it's a mortal sin, you complete and utter, fucking mongoloid.

Snorrarse, I'm also waiting on all that evidence you were gonna find me saying how being a Catholic priest automatically makes you pedophile?

...What's that you say? There is none?

if we were to extend his logic, MeDeFe more or less wrote:No Ambrose, someone claimed that an ideology is something static, that you look at the text and it's immediately apparent what it means and in which cases it applies (And that therefore Nazism is inherently evil, well, whatever).