Conquer Club

some of those Trenches should be connected in the so its easyer to reach the artellery. And they cant be hit by artellery ofc but i get what your saying.

mibi wrote:[quote=Androidz]some of those Trenches should be connected in the so its easyer to reach the artellery. And they cant be hit by artellery ofc but i get what your saying.

Androidz wrote:
Even so it gives players option to try new things. new strategies...

mibi wrote:

Androidz wrote:
Even so it gives players option to try new things. new strategies...

There are already many strategies to employ and all of them relate to the psychology and mechanics of trench warfare. We have to be careful when adding 'historical accuracy' that it doesn't ruin the psychology and game play and turn the map into something that is not really trench warfare.

Androidz wrote:Still trenches was connected during that time, avoiding stepping on the top were they would be slaughtered like flies by the machineguns.

Now i get what you say but i getting the feeling that its nearly impossible to reach those arteillries since you must attack 8 terretories or so to reach them and you will be kiced back easly.

If that wont happen can explain me why pliss?

Incandenza wrote:

Androidz wrote:Still trenches was connected during that time, avoiding stepping on the top were they would be slaughtered like flies by the machineguns.

Now i get what you say but i getting the feeling that its nearly impossible to reach those arteillries since you must attack 8 terretories or so to reach them and you will be kiced back easly.

If that wont happen can explain me why pliss?

As always, if you go in with enough forces, you'll be able to knock out the orders, do some damage, and still have enough troops in reserve to maintain your foothold. And since deployments will be so low in any case, it will be the work of a couple turns (more if chained or adjacent forts) for the attacked player to get his house back in order.

The main point here is that having gaps between the trenches gives people more options, more chances to make strategic decisions. They can attack a trench head-on, they can slip around the side, they can bombard the crap out of it with artillery (once they get past the big honkin' neutral) and follow up with a smaller force, they can attack the bunker and the orders, etc. Plus it gives the defender more options, rather than just letting the autodeploy build up in the trenches.

Having trenches connect all the way across eliminates quite a few options on both sides of the equation and makes an attack across No Man's Land far less likely to succeed, which is not a good thing for the gameplay here. Successful trench warfare wasn't about just flinging brute force at the problem...

Juan_Bottom wrote:Ok, I've been waiting for both trench maps.

Quibble! If you're going to generalize one side, you should generalize both. I.E. If you name one side 'allied' then the other should be 'axis.'

Let's not single the Germans out here!

asl80 wrote:good start, looks good.
haven't read the discussion so far, but i'll judt drop a couple along the way.
- can you attack in and out of the machine guns etc.? or just bombard ... as it says.
just bombard, there are sandbags there so its a bit cumbersome to attack over them.
- maybe artillary shouldn't be able to bombard territories near it self, would be a little odd that an artillary could open fire on it's own front.
sometimes, tough decisions are made when one is overwhelmed, bombard your own front, sure if thats what needs to be done.
- can mortar's attack the bunkers?, this would be a little strange if the supposedly stronger artillary couldn't (i assume not the orders)
no, motars cannot, however the artillery CAN
- i support keeping or increasing the value of these high powered weapons ... mortar poss. neutral 50., give some time to capture and hold the trenches.
well its balance, if they are too high, then people woudl just run across the trench rather than build for the better weapons, so you want to place them within reach at around the point when its a tough decision to go for them or not.
- the 90o setup on the machine guns is great
- the auto deploy on the trenches is good too.

graphics;
- surely things were a little muddy on the field ... i suggest lightening things up, more browns(lighter) more mud

Incandenza wrote:True, the Germans were part of the Central Powers, but they were also the only ones fighting on the Western Front, whereas French, British, and American forces opposed them. Thus, Allies and Germans.

hulmey wrote:

Incandenza wrote:True, the Germans were part of the Central Powers, but they were also the only ones fighting on the Western Front, whereas French, British, and American forces opposed them. Thus, Allies and Germans.

The Central power were Germany and Austria-Hungary forces. The allies were mainly France, England and Russia. USA joined the was in late 1917 and hardly mae a contribution to it!!! Russia lost over 1,200,000 troops whilst america lost only 150,00!

Juan_Bottom wrote:The graphics are nice.

How 'bout barbed wire impassables? Or -1 landmines or something?
I'm certain that you guys have already thought about this, but I'm just wondering what made you decide that these weren't for your map? I'm just guessing that it is because it is a smaller-sized map?


Also, has anyone printed this out and tesed it yet? I'm dying to know if the gameplay works as well as I hope....

mibi wrote:And I don't think landmines existed back then, I could be wrong though.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

mibi wrote:And I don't think landmines existed back then, I could be wrong though.

We had 'em during the Civil War even!