Conquer Club

Backglass wrote:

P Gizzle wrote:yeah, if everyone hates him, why did he win an election?

Because most Americans vote their party instead of using their brain. They would rather vote for an idiot of their own party then vote for a smart guy from the "other side".

Now? The majority of Americans agree he sucks. Judge for yourself with the Bush Approval Ratings

Nice downward spiral, huh?

i dont just vote by party. and besides i honestly think he's done an ok job up until recently. he didnt do anything wrong until after the iraq war started

P Gizzle wrote:I honestly think he's done an ok job up until recently. he didnt do anything wrong until after the iraq war started

Well...the poll question is "Is Bush Good". Not "Was Bush Good Three Years Ago".

Would gore be better?

reverend_kyle wrote:He didnt get elected the first time democratically.

Yes he did. He won the most electorial votes. according to our constitution, thats how the president gets elected. Oh, and by the way, Neither Bill Clinton nor JFK recieved a majority

reverend_kyle wrote:He didnt get elected the first time democratically.

How can you spot a liberal?


Look for this >>>>


cause that's all they do.


Bush won in 2000 despite the media tring to give Gore the election.

Backglass wrote:

slash1890 wrote: but it's not like he's completely fucking our country over or anything.

No?

$314,175,876,142.00 and counting That's 314 BILLION spent thus far to help out Iraq...NOT find Osama Bin Laden, the man who attacked us.

How much money is that?

• Instead, we could have provided 15,230,561 students complete four-year scholarships at public universities.
  
• Instead, we could have insured 188,129,401 children for one year.
  
• Instead, we could have hired 5,444,711 additional public school teachers for one year.
  
• Instead, we could have fully funded GLOBAL anti-hunger efforts for 13 years.

It's a HUGE amount of money...and yes, he is screwing us all over. Who pays for it?

YOU.

http://www.CostOfWar.com <-- Visit it and watch the counter.

Will you PLEASE step away from the crack pipe for a moment!? Least you forget we have not been attacked since 9/11! I'd say a 314 Billion well spent! I know you libs would like more spent on supporting the poor, lazy Americans but WAKE UP! People are tring to KILL us! I can't stand the complete stupidity of the left!

And I'm not 100% for Bush but you lefties are seriously disturbed!

But Iraq WAS NEVER A THREAT TO US. WE HAVE FOUND NO WMDS THERE. You're saying spending 314 billion dollars (That is a lot of money, you know) on trying to save some nation completely irrelevant to our own is justified because they didn't attack us?

spiesr wrote:Would gore be better?

ROLF! Are you serious????????


Senario of post 9/11 with Gore as president:


* No invasion of Afghanistan nor Iraq

* Due to 9/11 he raises taxes putting the US ecconomy in a resesion.

* US is hit with several more attacks.

* Gore plants a tree in France as a "peace offering" to Al Queda.

* Gore "invents the internet2" (a megahiway of information aiding terrorists)



any questions?

slash1890 wrote:But Iraq WAS NEVER A THREAT TO US. WE HAVE FOUND NO WMDS THERE. You're saying spending 314 billion dollars (That is a lot of money, you know) on trying to save some nation completely irrelevant to our own is justified because they didn't attack us?

The deficit due to the Iraq war is a very small percentage of the total debt. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Backglass wrote:

P Gizzle wrote:I honestly think he's done an ok job up until recently. he didnt do anything wrong until after the iraq war started

Well...the poll question is "Is Bush Good". Not "Was Bush Good Three Years Ago".

it's is Bush good overall. you have to look at overall, he's not too shabby. he's definitely not the worst pres.

strike wolf wrote:Seriously, I can't believe some of you are getting your panties in a bundle about this whole politics on 9/11 thing. I don't like Bush but I guarantee you that 95% of politicians would have done the same thing regardless of party. This is why I'm neutral, because both parties throw shit at you!

You know that old quote "What if there was a war, and nobody came?"

Let's reinvent it:

"What if there was an election, and nobody came?"

I, for one, would like to see.

strike wolf wrote:Seriously, I can't believe some of you are getting your panties in a bundle about this whole politics on 9/11 thing. I don't like Bush but I guarantee you that 95% of politicians would have done the same thing regardless of party. This is why I'm neutral, because both parties throw shit at you!

yes 95% would have gone into afghanistan.. that was the right move... the country associated.. and we weren't doing shitty til we went into Iraq and bush started signing away our civil liberties.

reverend_kyle wrote:yes 95% would have gone into afghanistan.. that was the right move... the country associated.. and we weren't doing shitty til we went into Iraq and bush started signing away our civil liberties.

Well, that's what happens when something like the Project for a New American Century gets put into operation. I'm still surprised that there wasn't a huge public cry for Rumsfeld's resignation when he went off about how we didn't know where Saddam was-- after he was in custody.

Say what you want, Rumsfeld kinda showed his age with that little gaffe.

reverend_kyle wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Seriously, I can't believe some of you are getting your panties in a bundle about this whole politics on 9/11 thing. I don't like Bush but I guarantee you that 95% of politicians would have done the same thing regardless of party. This is why I'm neutral, because both parties throw shit at you!

yes 95% would have gone into afghanistan.. that was the right move... the country associated.. and we weren't doing shitty til we went into Iraq and bush started signing away our civil liberties.

I'm not even talking about iraq right now or any war I'm talking about politicians who use days where there was a tragedy to their own political gain.

jay_a2j wrote:Will you PLEASE step away from the crack pipe for a moment!? Least you forget we have not been attacked since 9/11! I'd say a 314 Billion well spent! I know you libs would like more spent on supporting the poor, lazy Americans but WAKE UP! People are tring to KILL us! I can't stand the complete stupidity of the left!

And I'm not 100% for Bush but you lefties are seriously disturbed!

First of all...I'm not a "Liberal" or "Lefty". Your name calling doesnt work on me Jay.

Second of all...and please pay attention Jay:

• Iraq did not attack us.
• Iraq did not cause 9-11 or have ANYTHING to do with it.
• Iraq did not try to kill us.

IT WAS OSAMA BIN LADEN AND AL QAEDA.

I cant believe that so many people (you included it seems) think we are in Iraq because of 9-11!!!!!

We are there to eliminate Saddams weapons of mass destruction and remove him...remember? Save the Iraqy people from a tyrant? Free them and give them Democracy? ONLY NOW that no substantial WMD's have been found (20 year old rusty gas shells dont count) has BUSH turned Iraq into a "war on terror". It was never about that.

OSAMA BIN LADEN, THE MAN WHO ATTACKED US AND KILLED MY FRIENDS ON 9-11 WALKS FREE IN AFGHANISTAN.

HE IS NOT IN IRAQ.

but, Hussein is. and he killed thousands, maybe millions of iraqis for no reason. he would torture the iraqi soccer team, if they didn't win

P Gizzle wrote:but, Hussein is.

Um...Not any more. Ever watch watch the news?

and he killed thousands, maybe millions of iraqis for no reason.

True. He is an evil man, no doubt, but he is also an evil man who had nothing to do with 9-11...please try to remember that. We are NOT in Iraq because of 9-11 according to our own government.

So...we did it because he was evil? Fidel Castro is also an evil man, and he lives only 90 miles from Florida. When do we invade Cuba because of 9-11?

Meanwhile Osama Bin Laden WALKS FREE in Afghanistan.

Backglass wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Will you PLEASE step away from the crack pipe for a moment!? Least you forget we have not been attacked since 9/11! I'd say a 314 Billion well spent! I know you libs would like more spent on supporting the poor, lazy Americans but WAKE UP! People are tring to KILL us! I can't stand the complete stupidity of the left!

And I'm not 100% for Bush but you lefties are seriously disturbed!

First of all...I'm not a "Liberal" or "Lefty". Your name calling doesnt work on me Jay.

Second of all...and please pay attention Jay:

• Iraq did not attack us.
• Iraq did not cause 9-11 or have ANYTHING to do with it.
• Iraq did not try to kill us.

IT WAS OSAMA BIN LADEN AND AL QAEDA.

I cant believe that so many people (you included it seems) think we are in Iraq because of 9-11!!!!!

We are there to eliminate Saddams weapons of mass destruction and remove him...remember? Save the Iraqy people from a tyrant? Free them and give them Democracy? ONLY NOW that no substantial WMD's have been found (20 year old rusty gas shells dont count) has BUSH turned Iraq into a "war on terror". It was never about that.

OSAMA BIN LADEN, THE MAN WHO ATTACKED US AND KILLED MY FRIENDS ON 9-11 WALKS FREE IN AFGHANISTAN.

HE IS NOT IN IRAQ.

Ok let me be clear:


* Saddam Trained terrorists

*Saddam had WMD's that Bush feared would be given to terrorists then brought to the US to use against us.

* WE found 500 wmd's. (of course we can't win either way, you complain of no wmd's then turn around and make excuses about the "age" of them when we find them)

*Most world leaders do not doubt for a second Saddam had wmd's. You aren't an evil dictator one day killing your own people in mass numbers, then because of UN sanctions become compliant and a "good guy".







Oh and were you complaining when Clinton bombed Serbia to get Monica off the front page????

Wasn't the attack on Serbia actually successful? (Yes it was)
I doubt anyone would complain about Iraq if the administration had an ounce of competency

Jay - you ignoramus - listen. Listen. For once.

The Serbian episode was just as justified from a humanitarian perspective as Iraq. Yes Clinton was a democrat. So Fucking What? The truth is that Serbia - despite BC's Monicagate-induced terror of public opinion and subsequent mishandling of the military campaign - was a complete success.

Iraq - despite your misinformation (Saddam trained terrorists???personally?) - has been, saddam's capture excepted, a disaster. The country is in the throes of a civil war. Get over your boring, tiring dogmatism and try to be a LITTLE BIT OBJECTIVE.

OBJECTIVBELY Iraq is a fucking mess. A stain on the consciences of the west. No exit strategy, no post-inavsion agenda for a country with an incredibly complex history and a dangerously explosive social mix. A disaster. YEs? No?
Yes. i don;t give a f*ck if you;re a patriotic god-fearing republican or an evil commie liberal. Iraq has been a fucking disaster.

jay_a2j wrote:* Saddam Trained terrorists

Perhaps...BUT NONE THAT ATTACKED THE USA AND CERTAINLY NOT ON 9-11. That was OSAMA BIN LADEN AND AL QAEDA. There are many, evil people in the world and many that think WE are Evil. You had better have your god prepared for a LOT of bloodshed if we are to try to eliminate them all.

jay_a2j wrote:*Saddam had WMD's that Bush feared would be given to terrorists then brought to the US to use against us.

Bush's fears were just that...fears. Not Facts. They dont exist.

jay_a2j wrote:* WE found 500 wmd's. (of course we can't win either way, you complain of no wmd's then turn around and make excuses about the "age" of them when we find them)

You make a valid point. Allow me to clarify so you understand why the munitions you read about are meaningless.

What was found were rusting gas shells from the 80's, which by The White House's own Iraq Survey Groups Admission were duds.

You can read all 600+ pages of the White House's own "Iraq Survey Group" Report on the CIA website HERE or I will save you the time:

"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered."

There's your WMD's Jay...straight from the White House...not me! Good thing thousands of brave Americans died and we have spent over 300 BILLION dollars for some rusty gas shells, huh Jay? Remember thats the reason BUSH gave for going in...the WMD's.

The reason it was all over the news was because two Senators (Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI)) found this report and ballyhooed a small fragment, out of context. From the above text "a...number of...chemical munitions have been discovered". Makes all the difference in the world doesnt it. It was an attempt to "save face"...plain and simple.

It would be like driving out in to the Nevada desert, seeing a crater and saying "SEE! They are testing ATOMIC BOMBS! Here is the evidence!"

jay_a2j wrote:*Most world leaders do not doubt for a second Saddam had wmd's.

Huh? What a selective memory you have. Most world leaders were staunchly against us going in. Please state your source.

jay_a2j wrote:Oh and were you complaining when Clinton bombed Serbia to get Monica off the front page????

Stay on topic JAY....I know you can do it! CONCENTRATE!

i am not in favor of any current political party, i am a technical moderate
but i support him for a few reasons
1.UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
if we all would stop complaining and tearing our leader to pieces by making up conspiracy theories, tampered quotes, etc. we would all be in a better situation
2.He has kept some values in America
gays are still not able to marry and he has put harsh restrictions on stem cell research
3. He offered a moderate compromise to the immigration problem
it failed in congress because republicans would only vote for a very conservative solution and democrats would only vote for an incredibly liberal answer
4. He doesn't run away from the Iraq problem
he is not giving into pressure from democrats and a small majority of the population for running away
5. He realizes the huge threat from islamic extremists
there has not been another attack on american soil, he has not let security down and is still trying to improve safety but then the courts ruin it, i vote for living before privacy

Caleb the Cruel wrote:i am not in favor of any current political party, i am a technical moderate
but i support him for a few reasons
1.UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
if we all would stop complaining and tearing our leader to pieces by making up conspiracy theories, tampered quotes, etc. we would all be in a better situation

It is our duty as Americans to keep our government in check, that is why the Constitution was written the way it was.

2.He has kept some values in America
gays are still not able to marry and he has put harsh restrictions on stem cell research

You call those values, I call those gaffes.

3. He offered a moderate compromise to the immigration problem
it failed in congress because republicans would only vote for a very conservative solution and democrats would only vote for an incredibly liberal answer

There is a solution to the problem, let the border agents do their damn jobs.

4. He doesn't run away from the Iraq problem
he is not giving into pressure from democrats and a small majority of the population for running away

Well, he wouldn't run away from it simply because he's the CAUSE of the problem.

5. He realizes the huge threat from islamic extremists
there has not been another attack on american soil, he has not let security down and is still trying to improve safety but then the courts ruin it, i vote for living before privacy

There's a difference between realizing a threat and overreacting to a threat. Cutting the Constitution to ribbons and removing checks and balances isn't a solution, it's just another problem.

I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees.

vtmarik wrote:

Caleb the Cruel wrote:i am not in favor of any current political party, i am a technical moderate
but i support him for a few reasons
1.UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
if we all would stop complaining and tearing our leader to pieces by making up conspiracy theories, tampered quotes, etc. we would all be in a better situation

It is our duty as Americans to keep our government in check, that is why the Constitution was written the way it was.

2.He has kept some values in America
gays are still not able to marry and he has put harsh restrictions on stem cell research

You call those values, I call those gaffes.

3. He offered a moderate compromise to the immigration problem
it failed in congress because republicans would only vote for a very conservative solution and democrats would only vote for an incredibly liberal answer

There is a solution to the problem, let the border agents do their damn jobs.

4. He doesn't run away from the Iraq problem
he is not giving into pressure from democrats and a small majority of the population for running away

Well, he wouldn't run away from it simply because he's the CAUSE of the problem.

5. He realizes the huge threat from islamic extremists
there has not been another attack on american soil, he has not let security down and is still trying to improve safety but then the courts ruin it, i vote for living before privacy

There's a difference between realizing a threat and overreacting to a threat. Cutting the Constitution to ribbons and removing checks and balances isn't a solution, it's just another problem.

I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees.

Not to mention that he hasnt done anything to slow the christian extremists threat which is much more imminent.

Caleb the Cruel wrote:making up conspiracy theories, tampered quotes, etc. we would all be in a better situation

Please clarify for me the tampered quote or "made up" theories. I would like to know exactly what you are alleging.

Nothing I have typed was "made up"...all came from major news outlets or the government itself. You just cant stand to believe that they might be true, so you stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LIES! LIES!" so you dont have to face facts.

I understand your thinking though: "It couldnt be that bad...that would be unthinkable."

Yup.

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL

Then you better get behind us. As for your oxymoronic "small majority"...according to the Bush approval ratings we (those who think Bush is doing a horrible job) are now over 67% of Americans. Theres your "small majority".