Conquer Club

Was Terri S. a Catholic?

Yes, her whole family too. Whether people agree with feeding tubes or not we should not have to go through all that when her family says they would like to care for her. Just let them do it.

So then why would she fear going home to be with her Heavenly Father?

People often still fear death, I am not going to try to explain what all was going on in her head because I don't know. All I know is a family lost their daughter and sister because the courts would rather starve her. The former husband got his big life insurence policy and she got to suffer for 7 days while her lips cracked and bled and her organs began to shut down.

The thing I fear about death is the potential nothingness that follows.

i don't fear death, or necessarily even fear dying. I fear pain. I'd rather die in a free-fall from a plane where the trip down would be a thrill-ride, followed by an instantaneous, painless death than be impaled by a rusty iron pole and survive thanks to some miraculous operation and then continue to have a normal life. I fear pain more than anything, in fact.

pimpdave wrote:So then why would she fear going home to be with her Heavenly Father?

By the end of it, I believe that she was begging to go home. Though, I do sense cynicism in your tone, it seems to me that you only made this thread to re-hash the tragedy that was her case, and seek to bring the shadow of hypocrisy to the idea of faith and religion. If this is the case, then shame on you.

black elk speaks wrote:he who fears death also fears life, for they are one in the same.

Death is not the same as life, it is in fact, the end of life. They are not "one in the same". I believe that someone can cherish life because they fear death.

browng-08 wrote:I fear pain more than anything, in fact.

Every kid I knew growing up who got hooked on smack said the same shit.

Pain is only temporary, only an illusion, and an inevitable consequence of existence. You must learn to overcome pain. Trust me, it gets easier; your threshold increases.

God damnit you guys. Jeez, stop trying to think about this stuff. Nobody knows what death is like. Nobody will ever know. So stop worrying, live your life, and whatever happens happens.

jnd94 wrote: and whatever happens happens.

You mean like, at the end?

Are you afraid of that part?

pimpdave wrote:

jnd94 wrote: and whatever happens happens.

You mean like, at the end?

Are you afraid of that part?

Everyone is afraid of the unknown.

jnd94 wrote:
Everyone is afraid of the unknown.

I was talking about death, not the unknown. You know what death is, right? You've seen death, right? Well, maybe not. A lot of Americans have no idea what death looks like. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just want to keep a dialogue going.

And according to the poll, there are a number among us who do not fear death. The next part of this thread, after we get everyone who is going to reply, to reply, is to begin inquiring into WHY people do not fear death.


(in order to protect the integrity of this thread, I will refrain for the time being from offering my answer to the poll question)

browng-08 wrote:i don't fear death, or necessarily even fear dying. I fear pain. I'd rather die in a free-fall from a plane where the trip down would be a thrill-ride, followed by an instantaneous, painless death than be impaled by a rusty iron pole and survive thanks to some miraculous operation and then continue to have a normal life. I fear pain more than anything, in fact.

Not a bad idea with the freefall. From what I understand though most people die from the anticipation of death than the fall when in those circumstances. Heart attack as you see the ground fast aproaching. Not a fan of the rusty metal pole...I am afraid of that!!

I would just think of it as a prolonged parachute jump. It would be fun, in my opinion. as for the pole, I was trying to think of something painful (more so than a paper cut, lol) but survivable, as opposed to deadly, but painless. I choose painless every time.

jnd94 wrote:
Everyone is afraid of the unknown.

That is not actually true, some are captivated by the unknown

Thinking that you drowned and passing out under water but being saved later would be bad...
So would jumping off a bridge like the golden gate and not dieing when you hit the water. I have heard of that happening.

PopeBenXVI wrote:Not Really, I am still hear with my Bible and Guns to Cling to. Do you have anything important to add to our discussion here or would you rather Troll this one down the line.

"Bible and Guns".
"Sanctity of Life and Guns".
My God is Love. and Guns".

You are just becoming part of nature in a different way. I think life does find a way to consciousness, regardless.

Greg Stafford once said to me that you are not Grown Up until you fully realise that, one day, you'll die.

Apparently my Tadcu's (Grandad's) Last Words were (to my Dad)
"It's not how you live, son... it's how you die."
I think he meant something about attitude, or fear, or something.
Then again, i can't remember a single thing my Tadcu said that wasn't bullshit. He was the most awful liar, and this may have been one last attempt to excuse his actions while alive.

To an extent yes. Though I think I'm more afraid of certain ways that I could potentially die than the actual idea of death itself.

Life is hard, Death is easy. Plus she's hot.

I've been an atheist since I was 8 years old. I used to fear death when I was young. Now I do what I can to avoid it but I no longer fear it. I spent too much of my young life worrying about things that never happened. I'll fight to stay alive as long as I can. Once your dead there is nothing left to worry about. It will be like before you were born. No worries, mate. As long as your fighting your alive. You'll never know when you lose the fight because there is no afterlife. I take life one moment at a time. So even if I was deathly ill I would say "I may die soon but I'm alive now. So I'll make the best of my situation." It bothers me to hear people say "There must be more to life than this." What a narcissistic view of life. Everyone throughout history got the same deal. Your thrown into this world and given the chance to live a life. Live the best life you can and although you won't look forward to death you'll be ready when it comes.

Matroshka wrote:

black elk speaks wrote:he who fears death also fears life, for they are one in the same.

Death is not the same as life, it is in fact, the end of life. They are not "one in the same". I believe that someone can cherish life because they fear death.

Good for you. I believe that that final moment of your life is the culmination of all that you have done. It is that time that you reflect, for however much time that you have to do it in, and determine if you have lived a life satisfactory to your own judgment.

PopeBenXVI wrote:Yes, Terri was asked by her family if she wanted to die and she nodded her head no and hinted she was scared to die. Her brother and parents were adamite about her responsiveness the whole time after her acident. That was a case of her husband (former) offing her for a million dollar policy and the courts let it happen. Her family wanted to take care of her and requested to take her in and assume all the cost themselves for her care. Her husband who was with another woman for the last ten years, would not allow it. All she needed was a feeding tube to keep living and he had it pulled and she literally starved to death from dehydration while conscious and perfectly aware of pain.

Haha.

Wrong.

Snorri1234 wrote:

PopeBenXVI wrote:Yes, Terri was asked by her family if she wanted to die and she nodded her head no and hinted she was scared to die. Her brother and parents were adamite about her responsiveness the whole time after her acident. That was a case of her husband (former) offing her for a million dollar policy and the courts let it happen. Her family wanted to take care of her and requested to take her in and assume all the cost themselves for her care. Her husband who was with another woman for the last ten years, would not allow it. All she needed was a feeding tube to keep living and he had it pulled and she literally starved to death from dehydration while conscious and perfectly aware of pain.

Haha.

Wrong.

First hand witness account? hmmm, can't imagine that you would come all the way to America to check in on a vegetable though. Perhaps you were on vacation to DisneyWorld and popped in since you were in the area?