Conquer Club

n00blet wrote:

AAFitz wrote:The 1v1 is easy though...it would be a long guide though...

Long? I play a lot of 1v1 and what it usually boils down to, on most nonconquest maps, is not terribly long.

-Go first
-Get a good drop
-Get good dice

All entirely skill-based, to be sure

Well, perhaps in your entire 40 games on it they seemed that way, but in my 1000 games on world, on which i win over 70% on 1v1, and over 80% on doubles...id say strategy is very important. One mistake can throw the game. I prefer getting a good drop, dice, and going first, but have won plenty with none of those. Though i suppose I am just lucky, and go first 70% of the time as your theory suggests. Sometimes it is unwinable, but compared to any medium sized map, and most small maps, it is the most fair for 1v1 that there is.

Ive played one person on it on dubs alone and have won something like 85% just against them, and they have actually played the map more than me. For some reason, they just dont get what im doing yet.

In any case, the 1v1 write up wouldnt be long...i tell most of the players anyways, not to say all. dubs is easy too, though not all play it like me. Trips can actually be played a few different ways...I have my preference, but I see some play it differently...sometimes for the better, sometimes not...its hard to really know which is better. Quads is pretty much the same, but changes wildly if you add cards...then its all about the cards.

AAFitz wrote:

n00blet wrote:

AAFitz wrote:The 1v1 is easy though...it would be a long guide though...

Long? I play a lot of 1v1 and what it usually boils down to, on most nonconquest maps, is not terribly long.

-Go first
-Get a good drop
-Get good dice

All entirely skill-based, to be sure

Well, perhaps in your entire 40 games on it they seemed that way, but in my 1000 games on world, on which i win over 70% on 1v1, and over 80% on doubles...id say strategy is very important. One mistake can throw the game. I prefer getting a good drop, dice, and going first, but have won plenty with none of those. Though i suppose I am just lucky, and go first 70% of the time as your theory suggests. Sometimes it is unwinable, but compared to any medium sized map, and most small maps, it is the most fair for 1v1 that there is.

Ive played one person on it on dubs alone and have won something like 85% just against them, and they have actually played the map more than me. For some reason, they just dont get what im doing yet.

In any case, the 1v1 write up wouldnt be long...i tell most of the players anyways, not to say all. dubs is easy too, though not all play it like me. Trips can actually be played a few different ways...I have my preference, but I see some play it differently...sometimes for the better, sometimes not...its hard to really know which is better. Quads is pretty much the same, but changes wildly if you add cards...then its all about the cards.

First, I apologize for using mild sarcasm on the internet. More than often I seem to hear a distinct *whoosh* whenever I see people reading or replying to it.

Of course, strategy is obviously very important in most games. As it happens, I wasn't specifically talking about World 2.1, as it happens there are over 100 other maps that, suprisingly, are not limited to 3 or more players. My point, hidden in there very deeply, was that oftentimes when players get two or even all of the aforementioned, the game is more akin to filling out a sudoku than fighting for survival and conquest.

As for the rest of it, why not make it into a strategy guide for those who are interested in how to be so masterful at World 2.1?

Anybody who's requested to be part of the group is. If anybody else wants to join, go ahead an post or let me know

So in!!!

A lot of work has been done thus far...many active topics and guides in the process of being written! And for those who believe themselves unable to write a guide themselves---why not join and review some of the drafts that are up? More eyes reading and thinking about game play and general questions, the better!


--Andy

n00blet wrote:First, I apologize for using mild sarcasm on the internet. More than often I seem to hear a distinct *whoosh* whenever I see people reading or replying to it.

Of course, strategy is obviously very important in most games. As it happens, I wasn't specifically talking about World 2.1, as it happens there are over 100 other maps that, suprisingly, are not limited to 3 or more players. My point, hidden in there very deeply, was that oftentimes when players get two or even all of the aforementioned, the game is more akin to filling out a sudoku than fighting for survival and conquest.

As for the rest of it, why not make it into a strategy guide for those who are interested in how to be so masterful at World 2.1?

Eh no need to apologize to me for sarcasm. I sent a fair enough back. Also, on an indidual basis, there is a lot of luck, and going first, getting a good drop or good dice will in fact decide many of the games. However, over time, strategy will prevail. And, I started my rough draft already for 1v1s.

in if i can be

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:in if i can be

Your in!


For everyone else, there is alot of great things happening in the strategy ad-hoc group just now! But there is still time and space for those who want to be a part of this.

Here is our TODO list to show you guys (the community) how much work is going on and how much more there is left to do. There is still more than enought room for more people to come on board and help!
[spoiler=To-Do List]Orange means reserved
Green means underway


Game Type
Standard
Terminator
Assassin
Doubles
Triples
Quadruples

Play Order
Freestyle
Standard

Spoils
No cards
Flat Rate
Escalating

Fortification
Unlimited
Chained
Adjacent
**Guide called 'Fortifications'

Visability
Fog
No Fog

Maps
Classic Shapes+Art
Africa
Age Of Merchants
Age Of Realms 1
Age Of Realms 2
Age Of Realms 3
Alexander's Empire
American Civil War
Ancient Greece
Archipelago
Arctic
Arms Race!
Asia
Australia
Bamboo Jack
Battle For Iraq!
Battle Of Actium
BeNeLux
Berlin 1961
Brazil
British Isles
Cairns Coral Coast
Canada
Canada[REVAMP]
Caribbean Islands
CCU
Charleston
Chinese Checkers
Circus Maximus
Circus Maximus[REVAMP]
The Citadel
City Mogul
Conquer 4
Conquer Man
Crossword
D-Day: Omaha Beach!
Discworld
Doodle Earth
Draknor - Level 1
Duck And Cover
Dust Bowl
Egypt: Lower
Egypt: Nubia
Egypt: Upper
Egypt: Valley Of The Kings
Europa
Europe
Extreme Global Warming
Feudal War
France
Germany
Great Lakes
Greater China
Haiti
Halloween Hollows
High Seas
Hong Kong
Iberia
Iceland
Imperium Romanum
Indochina
Indochina[REVAMP]
Ireland
Italy
King Of The Mountains
Luxembourg
Madness
Malta
Middle East
Middle East[REVAMP]
Midkemdil
Mongol Empire
Montreal
Montreal[REVAMP]
Netherlands
New World
North America
NYC
Operation Drug War
Pearl Harbor
Philippines
Poker Club
Portugal
Prohibition Chicago
Puget Sound
Rail Europe
Rail USA
San Francisco
Scotland
Siege!
Solar System
South America
Soviet Union
Space
Supermax: Prison Riot!
Sydney Metro
Tamriel
Texan Wars
Treasures Of Galapagos
USA
USApocalypse
U.S. Senate
Waterloo
World 2.1
WWII Ardennes
WWII Australia
WWII Eastern Front
WWII Gazala
WWII Iwo Jima
WWII Western Front
8 Thoughts
Madagascar
Oasis
Forbidden City
Europe 1914
Holy Roman Empire
Rail Australia
War Of The Triple Alliance
WWII Europe[/spoiler][/quote]

Come on all there is still work, work, work to be done! We need more people still to write more guides!

I'll help whenever I time permits. Is there an area of greatest need?

I am happy to help.

My strengths are:

General tactics
Team playing
Canada (20/31 games won)
Mongol Empire (19/20 games won)
USA (44/57 games won)

However, it must be said those wins are almost exclusively team games.

Glad to see some new people getting in there. Things are rolling along, and late-stage drafts are piling up---but we've got many more maps to go!


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:Glad to see some new people getting in there. Things are rolling along, and late-stage drafts are piling up---but we've got many more maps to go!


--Andy

many, many many There are like 95% I would say need to be done

i would love to be in

Sure, add me in, I can do some other stuff than writing the drafts... since I am not an experienced player yet, I'll offer some more help / Stuff like editing or graphics or whatever needs to be done!

I'm getting there though, but the more I get involved with this community, the better! So add me in, I'll find a way to help!

It seems that so many of these maps are similar, that strategy guides could all be lumped together. A separate guide for simple maps, classic shapes, Europe, Africa, Canada, North America seems very labor intensive and unnecessary. The strategy on maps with no bombardment, no objective and no special bonuses is pretty much identical.

That being said if you want help on a BAmboo Jack guide, you should talk to me and Owen. Although I doubt we want our secrets made public.

There are, and will be, "general guides" (like a general spoils guide, etc), but in addition to those which cover the basics that can be applied to most any map, map-specific guides will still be helpful and serve a purpose. Once we get caught up---creating new guides for new maps won't be too difficult.


--Andy

blakebowling wrote:(you can't trust gimil to do anything )

then why did we make him an admin blake jk

add me in

In please

jbrettlip wrote:It seems that so many of these maps are similar, that strategy guides could all be lumped together. A separate guide for simple maps, classic shapes, Europe, Africa, Canada, North America seems very labor intensive and unnecessary. The strategy on maps with no bombardment, no objective and no special bonuses is pretty much identical.

That being said if you want help on a BAmboo Jack guide, you should talk to me and Owen. Although I doubt we want our secrets made public.

Progress is being made, I've already finished a guide on Africa for example, BaldAdonis has finished his Classic Arts/Shapes one, it may take a while but the list is getting through.

Now that our benchmark has more or less been set, after a slow start we are starting to pick up some momentum.

For those who haven't been added to the group yet I will sort it later on.

jbrettlip wrote:It seems that so many of these maps are similar, that strategy guides could all be lumped together. A separate guide for simple maps, classic shapes, Europe, Africa, Canada, North America seems very labor intensive and unnecessary. The strategy on maps with no bombardment, no objective and no special bonuses is pretty much identical.

Some geographical maps do differ a lot depending on continent bonuses and such though. But some could certainly be lumped together, Canada for instance is more or less exactly the same as Classic with very similar continents and connections.

I'll join if you actually need more members.

gimil wrote:Now that our benchmark has more or less been set, after a slow start we are starting to pick up some momentum.

For those who haven't been added to the group yet I will sort it later on.

That was a month ago... any news?