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Don't be silly... I'm sure they all confessed to to the Holy Father Obama and he absolved them, so that's all OK then, eh?

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote: This is grasping at straws. Are you so naive to think that politicians aren't inherently hypocritical? That people aren't inherently hypocritical? I frankly don't care how much spin you put on it; I think Obama's chosen some very capable and qualified people for Cabinet spots, and whether or not they once forgot to pay their taxes really shouldn't matter if they can get the job done.

Even if that job involves collecting taxes

That sounds nice and everything... but actually, yes.

Napoleon Ier wrote:Don't be silly... I'm sure they all confessed to to the Holy Father Obama and he absolved them, so that's all OK then, eh?

Power to pardon, plenary indulgence...

Tomato, tomahto eh?

InkL0sed wrote:

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote: This is grasping at straws. Are you so naive to think that politicians aren't inherently hypocritical? That people aren't inherently hypocritical? I frankly don't care how much spin you put on it; I think Obama's chosen some very capable and qualified people for Cabinet spots, and whether or not they once forgot to pay their taxes really shouldn't matter if they can get the job done.

Even if that job involves collecting taxes

That sounds nice and everything... but actually, yes.

Well I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion...

So then, if it's ok for officials to be hypocrites and not follow their own standards, what is it that could possibly disqualify a person from performing in any public office? Other than Obama not liking them that is...

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote:

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote: This is grasping at straws. Are you so naive to think that politicians aren't inherently hypocritical? That people aren't inherently hypocritical? I frankly don't care how much spin you put on it; I think Obama's chosen some very capable and qualified people for Cabinet spots, and whether or not they once forgot to pay their taxes really shouldn't matter if they can get the job done.

Even if that job involves collecting taxes

That sounds nice and everything... but actually, yes.

Well I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion...

So then, if it's ok for officials to be hypocrites and not follow their own standards, what is it that could possibly disqualify a person from performing in any public office? Other than Obama not liking them that is...

If they do their job well, they can be as hypocritical as they like and I wouldn't give a f*ck.

Something that could disqualify a person would be, for example, being unintelligent, or belligerent, or lazy, or receiving money from a corporation, or being the ex-CEO of an international corporation, just to name a few things

InkL0sed wrote:

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote:

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote: This is grasping at straws. Are you so naive to think that politicians aren't inherently hypocritical? That people aren't inherently hypocritical? I frankly don't care how much spin you put on it; I think Obama's chosen some very capable and qualified people for Cabinet spots, and whether or not they once forgot to pay their taxes really shouldn't matter if they can get the job done.

Even if that job involves collecting taxes

That sounds nice and everything... but actually, yes.

Well I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion...

So then, if it's ok for officials to be hypocrites and not follow their own standards, what is it that could possibly disqualify a person from performing in any public office? Other than Obama not liking them that is...

If they do their job well, they can be as hypocritical as they like and I wouldn't give a f*ck.

Something that could disqualify a person would be, for example, being unintelligent, or belligerent, or lazy, or receiving money from a corporation, or being the ex-CEO of an international corporation, just to name a few things

If Obama nominates people despite such shortcomings would they then be qualified?

So today both Tom Daschle & Nancy Killefer withdrew due to not paying their taxes properly. Perhaps Timothy Geithner can help them fill out their return forms for this year to make sure there's no future problems.

InkL0sed wrote:

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote:

GabonX wrote:

InkL0sed wrote: This is grasping at straws. Are you so naive to think that politicians aren't inherently hypocritical? That people aren't inherently hypocritical? I frankly don't care how much spin you put on it; I think Obama's chosen some very capable and qualified people for Cabinet spots, and whether or not they once forgot to pay their taxes really shouldn't matter if they can get the job done.

Even if that job involves collecting taxes

That sounds nice and everything... but actually, yes.

Well I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion...

So then, if it's ok for officials to be hypocrites and not follow their own standards, what is it that could possibly disqualify a person from performing in any public office? Other than Obama not liking them that is...

If they do their job well, they can be as hypocritical as they like and I wouldn't give a f*ck.

Something that could disqualify a person would be, for example, being unintelligent, or belligerent, or lazy, or receiving money from a corporation, or being the ex-CEO of an international corporation, just to name a few things

Well, I guess Daschle, Clinton and EVERY other person in Washington is out, because at some point EVERYONE has received money from a corporation. Except Obama, since he never worked a day of his life in the private sector. Really ink?? I lost a lot of respect for your posts right there. I guess you are better at attacking than defending.

I did just throw that one in there without much thought, I guess.

In terms of attacking and defending... well, I will admit that there's not much you can say in defense of these tax issues. You can't exactly say that paying taxes is a good thing. I just think this is blown to ridiculous proportions, and it's regretful that Daschle felt he was of more use to Obama stepping aside rather than fighting for the nomination.

Well, there has been precedent set with Clinton and Bush nominees and taxes. The Geithner one was exceptionally gregarious....claiming turbo tax made the error!!As for Daschle, it sounds more like an innocent mistake, especially since it was "non income" service.

I knew you would recover well!

jbrettlip wrote:Except Obama, since he never worked a day of his life in the private sector.

I haven't checked this out or anything yet, but I just heard that Obama's first job out of college was for Kissenger and Associates.
You know, the whole war-for-profit-bomb-the-hell-out-of-Cambodia-torture-is-good-mind-controll-funding-is-a-priority-for-the-CIA-overthrow-unfriendly-nations-guy...

I don't have the time to read through this entire thread and get caught up, but please people, it's unfortunate that these nominees didn't pan out, and that they are dirty rotten crooks who should never have even attempted to glom onto the new administration, but aren't we forgetting how we just let slide a whole huge bunch of shit with our last two Presidents?

I mean, Bill Clinton PERJURED HIMSELF. EVERYONE else in the nation, when committing the act of perjury, suffers serious consequences. Except when it came to Clinton, who refused to resign, as everyone prior to him caught in the same issue had done. Simply despicable and something that will forever taint his legacy and name. I lost all respect for him, and can never trust him again.


Then, we have George W., who lied about his service in the military, was an irresponsible jackass with drug problems and DUIs and we all just let that slide.


AND THOSE GUYS WERE PRESIDENT.


We're not talking about Barack having done anything massively criminal, we're talking about people he wanted to appoint to his cabinet, who probably LIED TO HIM about their payment of taxes the same way they were lying to the IRS.

I really can't see how this at all reflects poorly on anyone but the guilty parties. It's not Barack's fault so many of the degenerates in Washington are dirty. In fact, I'm pretty sure he went into public service and has established a standard of transparency and ethics unmatched by any other administration purely BECAUSE of the corruption.

Man, talk about missing the forest for the trees.

I really don't like Obama. Really, really. I don't agree with his policies and I wouldn't mind almost anything to get him legally out of office.

On this topic, however, I don't feel we have enough information to blame him. If he knew, then it shows his lack of judgement. If he didn't know, then he was probably lied to and the tax thing may not have come up. If it did come up and he was directly lied to,then he's not a good judge of character, but I already knew that cause he hangs out with Pelosi, Biden and Acorn. From what we know, it was the fault of the people who didn't pay their taxes.

kentington wrote:I really don't like Obama. Really, really. I don't agree with his policies and I wouldn't mind almost anything to get him legally out of office.

On this topic, however, I don't feel we have enough information to blame him. If he knew, then it shows his lack of judgement. If he didn't know, then he was probably lied to and the tax thing may not have come up. If it did come up and he was directly lied to,then he's not a good judge of character, but I already knew that cause he hangs out with Pelosi, Biden and Acorn. From what we know, it was the fault of the people who didn't pay their taxes.

So he's guilty by association just because you don't like him?

You admitted you'd pin anything on him you possibly could, and I must say, the bad judge of character thing... Can you always tell all the time when you yourself are lied to? If you say yes, you're lying to me.

Plus, remember, these guys he's trying to put to work are career politicians. What are career politicians stereotypically known for being great at?

jbrettlip wrote:This is BY far the most corrupt cabinet ever assembled.

[Cough] President Grant [Cough]

herschal wrote:

jbrettlip wrote:This is BY far the most corrupt cabinet ever assembled.

[Cough] President Grant [Cough]

Paging Warren G, Harding, President Harding to the floor, please.

Again, $100,000 is chump change. Maybe not to you and me... but hell, look at Bush II's Department of the Interior, if you want a laughably mega-corrupt operation. We'll never know how much got stolen out of their, becuase let's face it, when you're having a coke party with people you're regulating, who's gonna write stuff down?

If anything, I'd rather have people who believe in the power of government running government than people who want to destroy it. There's a definite change in the degree of corruption they're willing to engage in.

pimpdave wrote:

kentington wrote:I really don't like Obama. Really, really. I don't agree with his policies and I wouldn't mind almost anything to get him legally out of office.

On this topic, however, I don't feel we have enough information to blame him. If he knew, then it shows his lack of judgement. If he didn't know, then he was probably lied to and the tax thing may not have come up. If it did come up and he was directly lied to,then he's not a good judge of character, but I already knew that cause he hangs out with Pelosi, Biden and Acorn. From what we know, it was the fault of the people who didn't pay their taxes.

So he's guilty by association just because you don't like him?

You admitted you'd pin anything on him you possibly could, and I must say, the bad judge of character thing... Can you always tell all the time when you yourself are lied to? If you say yes, you're lying to me.

Plus, remember, these guys he's trying to put to work are career politicians. What are career politicians stereotypically known for being great at?

Read everything I wrote. Starting with the first sentence of the second paragraph. I said I don't blame him even though I would pin anything on him. Of course I would say he's a bad judge of character, I don't like him and I think he would hang around people like himself.

kentington wrote:Of course I would say he's a bad judge of character, I don't like him and I think he would hang around people like himself.

Circular logic FTW

spurgistan wrote: hell, look at Bush II's Department of the Interior, if you want a laughably mega-corrupt operation. We'll never know how much got stolen out of their, becuase let's face it, when you're having a coke party with people you're regulating, who's gonna write stuff down?

Circular logic? I wasn't using logic. That was a feeling. Read what I say don't just post because you see something you may argue about. I would say he has bad character because...wait for it...I don't like him. Yep, that's what I said in the previous post.

Interesting. Well, there's just no arguing with a fool, then, is there?


I just finished reading this entire thread. Good times.

You think I'm a fool? You posted foolish remarks. Foolish because you misread or misinterpreted what I was saying. Instead of adressing what I really said you just keep back pedalling and making snide remarks. My main point was in agreeance with your original post, but you just read that I don't like Obama and assumed I was blaming him because of his association.

I don't think this was blaming Obama per say, since he wasn't the one filing their taxes. To me, it is more of a statement about the Dems not paying taxes. Corruption is everywhere in politics, but the Clinton's stepped it up a few levels. All the Bush haters the last few years have had a "holier than thou" attitude, and now we see, they are jsut as bad.

Seriously, if Rush Limbaugh hadn't paid his taxes, what would this forum look like?

They want to take OUR money and spend it where THEY think it is best. But they don't pay THEIR fair share. Obama's shine is wearing off....

Dude, this is the same cycle for each party, every time.

The best thing for a political party is to not be in power. Because then they can blame everything on the other side.

Look, we need to stop looking at things through strict party lines. We need to look at the individuals.

SRSLY

pimpdave wrote:Dude, this is the same cycle for each party, every time.

The best thing for a political party is to not be in power. Because then they can blame everything on the other side.

Look, we need to stop looking at things through strict party lines. We need to look at the individuals.

SRSLY

No.

The best thing is to secretly be in power by controlling both halves on Congress while there is a lame duck President. Then you can blame YOUR mistakes on the other party.

No the chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel has disclosed that he has been living rent free in a ouse for years!! This is ANOTHER tax violation, since it should have been reproted as income. Is there an honest man in Washington???