Conquer Club

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Georgerx7di wrote:Here are some basic maps, similar to classic.

I almost completely disagree. This is the typical advice, but it is given from the perspective of someone who has already developed their style of play and succeeds. It is NOT from the perspective of someone new who has never played any of the variations.


Further, you have to look at more than just maps!
1. Enroll in cooks forum. They will guide you through the Classic map, with help. (exception to below!)

2. READ! LOOK at the map before you play, study the legend that explains bonuses, etc.

3. Play 1 vs 1 to learn the "rules" with less "commitment" than larger games. However, DO be aware that 1 vs 1 strategies differ from larger games AND that many games are decided largely by dice/drop vagaries.

4. Stick mostly with Terminator (in 3+ player games) if you worry about points, BUT the real advice is to NOT worry about points right off. Learn. The only way to really learn is to take chances, try different things and that will mean losing.

5. AVOID Freestyle unless you don't mind sitting at your computer until the game is over, know the map well AND don't mind aggressive competition. THREE and FOUR player games can help you learn multiple player strategies, BUT a lot of multis use them (that is, cheaters -- 2 usernames that are really the same player). A lot of people like no spoils, but they can be very, very slow.

Georgerx7di wrote:Classic art(of course)

no, No, NO, NO!!!!!
Sure, you recognize it, but so does everyone else in the world! Those who play it regularly tend to be very, VERY good.
If you do wish to play, stick with those who are corporals or below. (The exception is the Cook's Forum training grounds.)

I advise people to try some of the maps that look strange, but are rarely played. BUT, here is the thing, picking them out is hard because almost inevitably, there are a few farmers who like to wait for someone such as yourself to start a game or to join one they started and then POUNCE! I did well with Crossword at first, but now don't do so well. Circus Maximus has long been dominated by Farmers. On the other side is Age of Realms 2. (not 1 or 3) It is not difficult to play at all, BUT the play is different and so many people just don't like it. Arms Race, particularly since the strategy guide is now out, is a decent choice, but again, you HAVE TO READ!

The other option is to go for newer maps, those still in Beta, BUT wait until new ones come out, because right now, everyone knows those maps pretty well already.

I have grouped all but the most recent maps in the following link:
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=78766&p=1868221#p1868221


Ultimately, other than avoiding the plain comlicated maps (big maps with lots of different bonuses), the only REAL answer is to just play, play, play. EXPECT to lose at first, but learn. You will find plenty of players who will help you along while you discover what maps you like.

Georgerx7di wrote:
Uh, I think you need to read the title of this thread buddy. If someone asks you where mcdonalds is and you tell them how to get to salad works, you may think you are helping them; but you're really not.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Georgerx7di wrote:Here are some basic maps, similar to classic.

I almost completely disagree. This is the typical advice, but it is given from the perspective of someone who has already developed their style of play and succeeds. It is NOT from the perspective of someone new who has never played any of the variations.


Further, you have to look at more than just maps!
1. Enroll in cooks forum. They will guide you through the Classic map, with help. (exception to below!)

2. READ! LOOK at the map before you play, study the legend that explains bonuses, etc.

3. Play 1 vs 1 to learn the "rules" with less "commitment" than larger games. However, DO be aware that 1 vs 1 strategies differ from larger games AND that many games are decided largely by dice/drop vagaries.

4. Stick mostly with Terminator (in 3+ player games) if you worry about points, BUT the real advice is to NOT worry about points right off. Learn. The only way to really learn is to take chances, try different things and that will mean losing.

5. AVOID Freestyle unless you don't mind sitting at your computer until the game is over, know the map well AND don't mind aggressive competition. THREE and FOUR player games can help you learn multiple player strategies, BUT a lot of multis use them (that is, cheaters -- 2 usernames that are really the same player). A lot of people like no spoils, but they can be very, very slow.

Georgerx7di wrote:Classic art(of course)

no, No, NO, NO!!!!!
Sure, you recognize it, but so does everyone else in the world! Those who play it regularly tend to be very, VERY good.
If you do wish to play, stick with those who are corporals or below. (The exception is the Cook's Forum training grounds.)

I advise people to try some of the maps that look strange, but are rarely played. BUT, here is the thing, picking them out is hard because almost inevitably, there are a few farmers who like to wait for someone such as yourself to start a game or to join one they started and then POUNCE! I did well with Crossword at first, but now don't do so well. Circus Maximus has long been dominated by Farmers. On the other side is Age of Realms 2. (not 1 or 3) It is not difficult to play at all, BUT the play is different and so many people just don't like it. Arms Race, particularly since the strategy guide is now out, is a decent choice, but again, you HAVE TO READ!

The other option is to go for newer maps, those still in Beta, BUT wait until new ones come out, because right now, everyone knows those maps pretty well already.

I have grouped all but the most recent maps in the following link:
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=78766&p=1868221#p1868221


Ultimately, other than avoiding the plain comlicated maps (big maps with lots of different bonuses), the only REAL answer is to just play, play, play. EXPECT to lose at first, but learn. You will find plenty of players who will help you along while you discover what maps you like.

Mr Changsha wrote:Ah, the old find a map no one plays and get good at that. I can see the point if you play 1vs1 (as I think you do) but if one wants to make a success of large games, then in the end they have to get in there on the main maps, lose a few, and begin to understand the psychology of the game. If they just hang out on the specialist maps they might win reasonably well in 4-6 player games (through knowing the tricks) but once they venture on to 2.1 they'll get eaten by those who understand how the game flows.

Your point about classic IS interesting though. Everyone does know that map and everyone knows how to play four man flat rate on it. I think there would be no better way to get into CC than by starting off with the classic map, because the new player would get a true understanding of their actual ability/glaring mistakes on such a level playing field.

I disagree with those that say 2.1 is not for beginners. Yes it is big, but the bonus structure is fairly simple...in the end it is just the classic map blown up to orgasmic proportions for large games. I can think of no better way to learn the large singles game than on a 6 man flat rate 2.1.

Finally, most of the best standard players play large standard games on the simple maps...classic, europe usa, 2.1, asia, australia etc etc. The skill is not in understanding the bonus structure, but in reading the board.

So if he's a 1vs1 player then I think player's advice is quite good. However, if he wants to play large standard games then I would suggest joining some classic games and learning how to read the board...for that's the key to playing CC well.

*edit* by 'reading the board' I mean judging the oppositions likely tactics and strategy, not literally 'reading' to find out that Russia is worth +2 and Scandinavia +5!!!

caymanmew wrote:I suggest Circus Maximus, Supermax: Prison Riot!, WWII Ardennes, WWII Gazala, and Poison Rome.
everyone agree

squishyg wrote:hehe, it's been over 24 hours since he's logged in. maybe he's hiding from us.

Woodruff wrote:

caymanmew wrote:I suggest Circus Maximus, Supermax: Prison Riot!, WWII Ardennes, WWII Gazala, and Poison Rome.
everyone agree

I would actually agree about Circus Maximus...it's a very straightforward game, given that you don't get region bonuses. Definitely not the others, though. <grin>

squishyg wrote:so you are. fancy a game if something? you can pick the map and settings.

Donald Fung wrote:

squishyg wrote:so you are. fancy a game if something? you can pick the map and settings.

I don’t like making games cause it’s usually better players who join which would just weaken my w/l ratio (which is 0/9) more. I feel sad that I still haven’t won a game yet. I usually just try to join games made by cook/ cadet/ private/ and private 1st class.

jleonnn wrote:once you get used to CC, you should try different maps. I found aor2 and found I'm good at it. won hundreds of points there

squishyg wrote:Donald, I sent you an invite to play with me. pw is fung. The offer is a friendly game with some free advice on world 2.1

jleonnn wrote:if you're thinking of being a high-ranker, stay OUT of doodle earth.

Donald Fung wrote:

jleonnn wrote:if you're thinking of being a high-ranker, stay OUT of doodle earth.

and... why is that? Doodle is 90% based on luck and 10% based on skills.

Mad Pineapples wrote:

Donald Fung wrote:

jleonnn wrote:if you're thinking of being a high-ranker, stay OUT of doodle earth.

and... why is that? Doodle is 90% based on luck and 10% based on skills.

Precisely. Although, I think as long as you use Flat Rate or Escalating it can be a good game, and requires more skill. With Unlimited and No Spoils, first turn usually wins.