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Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 7:25 pm
by safariguy5
Iron Butterfly wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Any of rishaed's offenses by themself would not be lynchworthy. Adding them up is what allows people to think he is the correct lynch. I won't add them up, based primarily on his claim.
The zimmah case is better, but based 100% on WIFOM. Also, if you recall from yesterday, sheep is one of my higher ranked scum candidates. The fact that he is pushing the case, and basing it on a faulty argument (aage wasn't out to get zimmah and never voted for him) just makes it worse.
If you want to talk about lynching sheep, I would be down.
Very rarely do I agree with you Doom in this case I do.
We got lucky last night in that the sk and mafia targeted the same person. Coincidence? Probably but it also make enables the strategy of keeping pressure on Zimmah if someone wanted to go the route of blaming him because of their interaction. Its a rather silly strategy and argument as this is just a game not real life, which is how Sheep tried to frame it (no pun intended) Sheep pounced rather quickly on that option.
Vote Sheep
If we lynch rishaed we have basically given mafia a free night kill after getting so lucky last night. I believe that mafia has intentionally kept the focus on Zimmah and Rish, which in essence makes it a continuation of day one with a free night kill.
I find it interesting how safari has deflected attention off of Sheep when a case could just as easily have been made on him. Saf uses a Wine case to create a wine case...geez.
I never tried to deflect attention off sheep. I was driving the rish case from Day 1, and quite frankly, his claim can only buy him so much time. If anything, it's rishaed trying to deflect blame from himself onto sheep, and I find his reasons for voting sheep WIFOM. If you have to start any defense with the statement "If I were mafia..." that's pretty much WIFOM.
Quite frankly, I think that it's more likely the rishaed faked the backup doctor claim. It doesn't require any faked night actions, it's a quasi-protective role which buys time, and it's unlikely to be counterclaimed. The main question is whether or not enough people see the same or not.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 7:36 pm
by rishaed
safariguy5 wrote:Iron Butterfly wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Any of rishaed's offenses by themself would not be lynchworthy. Adding them up is what allows people to think he is the correct lynch. I won't add them up, based primarily on his claim.
The zimmah case is better, but based 100% on WIFOM. Also, if you recall from yesterday, sheep is one of my higher ranked scum candidates. The fact that he is pushing the case, and basing it on a faulty argument (aage wasn't out to get zimmah and never voted for him) just makes it worse.
If you want to talk about lynching sheep, I would be down.
Very rarely do I agree with you Doom in this case I do.
We got lucky last night in that the sk and mafia targeted the same person. Coincidence? Probably but it also make enables the strategy of keeping pressure on Zimmah if someone wanted to go the route of blaming him because of their interaction. Its a rather silly strategy and argument as this is just a game not real life, which is how Sheep tried to frame it (no pun intended) Sheep pounced rather quickly on that option.
Vote Sheep
If we lynch rishaed we have basically given mafia a free night kill after getting so lucky last night. I believe that mafia has intentionally kept the focus on Zimmah and Rish, which in essence makes it a continuation of day one with a free night kill.
I find it interesting how safari has deflected attention off of Sheep when a case could just as easily have been made on him. Saf uses a Wine case to create a wine case...geez.
I never tried to deflect attention off sheep. I was driving the rish case from Day 1, and quite frankly, his claim can only buy him so much time.
If anything, it's rishaed trying to deflect blame from himself onto sheep,
and I find his reasons for voting sheep WIFOM. If you have to start any defense with the statement "If I were mafia..." that's pretty much WIFOM.
Quite frankly, I think that it's more likely the rishaed faked the backup doctor claim. It doesn't require any faked night actions, it's a quasi-protective role which buys time, and it's unlikely to be counterclaimed. The main question is whether or not enough people see the same or not.
The only person who I have voted today has been
Neb. I FoS'd sheep however I did not vote him for reasons stated previously. Stop twisting my words. I admit I have been using WIFOM arguments, however I have nothing solid currently. Keep twisting my words and I'll build a case on you. I do agree with much of what IB has said in his post voting Sheep however.
What? I have candidly admitted that I played lousy today already. I don't push blame for my wording onto others in this game. Plus I have admitted to using WIFOM arguments as well, which is just about true for quite a few people here D1/D2? What did I do D1 that seemed I so scummy to you that you would not believe my claim?
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 7:57 pm
by TheForgivenOne
I'm gonna have to agree that I can't really see Zimmah being the one who would go after aage. Yeah, they had the argument, but aage did lay off him towards the end of the day, and a few others started to do it for him. That would simply bring the heat onto himself, and if he was mafia, I can't imagine him doing that.
But right now it really seems like sheep is just looking for a reason to pounce on Zimmah to lynch him (Possibly lyncher? Iunno). He brought a case up against him d1, but didn't vote, possibly trying to not look so eager (Possibly lyncher?). Vote: Sheep
(As a side note, my schedule keeps getting shuffled more and more, and is looking like a clusterfuck, so I hope to stay here, but might have to get a replacement)
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 9:33 pm
by rishaed
TheForgivenOne wrote:I'm gonna have to agree that I can't really see Zimmah being the one who would go after aage. Yeah, they had the argument, but aage did lay off him towards the end of the day, and a few others started to do it for him. That would simply bring the heat onto himself, and if he was mafia, I can't imagine him doing that.
But right now it really seems like sheep is just looking for a reason to pounce on Zimmah to lynch him (Possibly lyncher? Iunno). He brought a case up against him d1, but didn't vote, possibly trying to not look so eager (Possibly lyncher?). Vote: Sheep
(As a side note, my schedule keeps getting shuffled more and more, and is looking like a clusterfuck, so I hope to stay here, but might have to get a replacement)
Sorry to hear this Hope it clears up in time so that a replacement isn't all that necessary1
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:48 pm
by sheepofdumb
Wow doom, if I didn't know you were town I'd jump on you for bandwagoning.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:13 am
by jonty125
I agree that sheep's WIFOM is scummy, but I still believe rishaed is scummier, so my vote remains on rishaed. We have a week until deadline, I don't think there will be an issue, but if things get desperate and sheep needs one vote more until claim-time. I would be willing to shift my position.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 5:33 am
by DoomYoshi
sheepofdumb wrote:Wow doom, if I didn't know you were town I'd jump on you for bandwagoning.
BWing a case that I started?
Sure, I waited for another vote. I just didn't want my vote to wastedly sit there on someone without a chance for a wagon.
How do you know I'm town? Is it because you have a handy list of red names in your role PM?
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 6:55 am
by zimmah
DoomYoshi wrote:sheepofdumb wrote:Wow doom, if I didn't know you were town I'd jump on you for bandwagoning.
BWing a case that I started?
Sure, I waited for another vote. I just didn't want my vote to wastedly sit there on someone without a chance for a wagon.
How do you know I'm town? Is it because you have a handy list of red names in your role PM?
I have to agree with doom here, by my count you're L-3 (L-2 if the double voter voted you) and all we get is his vague comment?
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:42 am
by gregwolf121
sheepofdumb wrote:Wow doom, if I didn't know you were town I'd jump on you for bandwagoning.
so sheep i too want to know how you know doom is town
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 10:12 am
by sheepofdumb
Because I investigated him last night. He came up as town.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 10:16 am
by Djfireside
sheepofdumb wrote:Because I investigated him last night. He came up as town.
Well I guess you have pushed yourself to a claim. Call me a stickler for the details but that calls for a claim to at least show what ground you are standing on
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:47 am
by Iron Butterfly
sheepofdumb wrote:Because I investigated him last night. He came up as town.
Your neck is on the line. If you are mafia you know who Town is.
You come out and speak in vague generalities about Doom and now we are suppose to *gasp* and realize what a mistake we have made?
make a full claim now.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:04 pm
by sheepofdumb
I am Sophia, Detective.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:52 pm
by zimmah
i don't really buy it.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 1:01 pm
by jonty125
zimmah wrote:i don't really buy it.
Why not.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 1:54 pm
by thechuck51
sheepofdumb wrote:I am Sophia, Detective.
Did you get "innocent" or "town" result? I'm wondering why you would be a detective as opposed to a cop.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:04 pm
by Djfireside
I am in agreement. The name sake seems a bit off with the detective portion but I am willing to hear what the result was
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:13 pm
by Iron Butterfly
Could you please explain how your role works. What did your result say about Doom??
Second. You need to stop giving info in drips and drabs.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:14 pm
by zimmah
jonty125 wrote:zimmah wrote:i don't really buy it.
Why not.
it's a too obvious claim, and even if someone else is the cop, a counterclaim would only out the real cop, and it'd be a 1 for 1 trade.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:49 pm
by sheepofdumb
I investigate one player and get alignment. My investigation says doom is town.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 3:41 pm
by Iron Butterfly
sheepofdumb wrote:I investigate one player and get alignment. My investigation says doom is town.
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Detective
There is a difference between a detective and a cop. A cop determines alignment. A detective can do several things depending how the mod sets it up. they can determine if a plyer has killed someone, their role ect.
The fact that you are very tight lipped and only answering with minimal words makes my vote stay.
You are either lying or the mod is messing with our heads. I think you are lying.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 3:51 pm
by sheepofdumb
That's what the mod gave me. And tight lipped? I've answered all your questions. Sure I'm not giving you an essay on why I'm innocent but I wouldn't say I'm tight lipped.
The trackers dead and if you lynch me you'll lose another investigation role. I don't think there's a backup.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:10 pm
by DoomYoshi
Why investigate me?
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:19 pm
by sheepofdumb
Because there was some suspicion on you. You are one of the better players and less likely to be lynched for playing poorly. Don't want to investigate anyone already in the spotlight because they're more likely to be NK'd or lynched. Don't want to investigate any scummariners because it's difficult to lynch them. But look at players in the middle of those extremes and you can build a case if they are scum or protect them if innocent. So I picked you.
Re: Day 2: The Unfortunate Survivor
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:31 pm
by zimmah
so you're saying you just claimed cop to protect an innocent guy that wasn't even voted by a single person?
you're either lying or the worst cop ever.