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Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:47 am
by josko.ri
Does Bob support possibility of automatic starting turn immediately after your opponent in freestyle games? for example, I was last playing player in last turn. can I make sure that my bonus troops will be received in full number when I come next time? or I must camping near my computer to catch my opponent to begin his turn?
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:48 am
by drunkmonkey
josko.ri wrote:Does Bob support possibility of automatic starting turn immediately after your opponent in freestyle games? for example, I was last playing player in last turn. can I make sure that my bonus troops will be received in full number when I come next time? or I must camping near my computer to catch my opponent to begin his turn?
No, BOB doesn't play the game for you.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:11 am
by sherkaner
drunkmonkey wrote:josko.ri wrote:Does Bob support possibility of automatic starting turn immediately after your opponent in freestyle games? for example, I was last playing player in last turn. can I make sure that my bonus troops will be received in full number when I come next time? or I must camping near my computer to catch my opponent to begin his turn?
No, BOB doesn't play the game for you.
He's right. Wouldn't be terribly hard to do though if you left a browser window open.
yeti_c wrote:FYI - I've a feeling I coded Continents to work in Objectives when I originally coded Objectives...
Of course - I may have also not done it properly!!
C.
Hmm, you're talking about the new xml objectives I guess. Yeah, I'll check it soon (but for now there is no map having that afaik, so I can't test anyway).
Chuuuuck wrote:I thought of a suggestion that might make BOB a little better (it would for me).
I am not sure if anyone ever said this before and I don't want to read 30 pages to find out so I will just say it again.
Instead of showing the number of territories that you can SEE in BOB when playing in the fog. Why not show it as a fraction of # of territories you can compared to the total number of territories that player has.
Say a player has 8 total territories (obvious from the game log) and you can see 5 of them. Then BOB would read 5/8 under the territories column.
I know this is kind of lazy, but when you really think about it that is all BOB is for is to make things more convenient and easy since anything that is shown on BOB can be reasonably figured out by any player just looking at the board. This is the same sort of thing, would just make it a little easier.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are standard and extended stats.
In basic it's 0 [ 4 ], which doesn't differ a lot from 0/4. For extended it's 0 ( 0% ) [ 4 (5%) ]-, which I think is a bit long. Do you mean the extended, and would you like it changed to 0/4 (5%)-? I agree that would be a small improvement.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:45 pm
by josko.ri
drunkmonkey wrote:josko.ri wrote:Does Bob support possibility of automatic starting turn immediately after your opponent in freestyle games? for example, I was last playing player in last turn. can I make sure that my bonus troops will be received in full number when I come next time? or I must camping near my computer to catch my opponent to begin his turn?
No, BOB doesn't play the game for you.
but maybe BOB can only BEGIN turn for me, not play, if possible. (that s my suggestion)
so, maybe it is good to have possibility "immediately start turn". after my opponent starts his turn, then BOB start it for me if that option is turned on. when turn is started then I have 1 hour to finish it. it is not hard to check a game every 45 minutes, but it is hard to camping near computer in waiting for my opponent to begin.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:22 pm
by Namor
josko.ri wrote:drunkmonkey wrote:josko.ri wrote:Does Bob support possibility of automatic starting turn immediately after your opponent in freestyle games? for example, I was last playing player in last turn. can I make sure that my bonus troops will be received in full number when I come next time? or I must camping near my computer to catch my opponent to begin his turn?
No, BOB doesn't play the game for you.
but maybe BOB can only BEGIN turn for me, not play, if possible. (that s my suggestion)
so, maybe it is good to have possibility "immediately start turn". after my opponent starts his turn, then BOB start it for me if that option is turned on. when turn is started then I have 1 hour to finish it. it is not hard to check a game every 45 minutes, but it is hard to camping near computer in waiting for my opponent to begin.
BOB is designed to take the drudgery out of counting terits etc. in the game log... once you start adding something like that (that can give you an advantage over your opponent), then it's a slippery slope towards a script that could play the whole game for you.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:22 pm
by Foxglove
viewtopic.php?f=506&t=113964I'm also having this issue: BOB won't finish "processing the log" on any of my Third Crusade games.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:19 am
by sherkaner
Yep, I'm at work so I won't be able to do something about it for the next 8 hours at least. But it probably has something to do with the new xml for objectives. I guess they adapted the XML for crusaders already.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:57 am
by josko.ri
Namor wrote:josko.ri wrote:drunkmonkey wrote:josko.ri wrote:Does Bob support possibility of automatic starting turn immediately after your opponent in freestyle games? for example, I was last playing player in last turn. can I make sure that my bonus troops will be received in full number when I come next time? or I must camping near my computer to catch my opponent to begin his turn?
No, BOB doesn't play the game for you.
but maybe BOB can only BEGIN turn for me, not play, if possible. (that s my suggestion)
so, maybe it is good to have possibility "immediately start turn". after my opponent starts his turn, then BOB start it for me if that option is turned on. when turn is started then I have 1 hour to finish it. it is not hard to check a game every 45 minutes, but it is hard to camping near computer in waiting for my opponent to begin.
BOB is designed to take the drudgery out of counting terits etc. in the game log... once you start adding something like that (that can give you an advantage over your opponent), then it's a slippery slope towards a script that could play the whole game for you.
I dont agree. it will not give advantage to anybody, it will make game more fair because both players will get bonus that they deserve at the end of last round. without that option great advantage is present to the one who plays the first. first playing player will always have full bonus and steal other player his full bonus. i think it is real advantage, and my suggestion is to reduce that advantage and make game more fair. players with slower computers are very handicapped in situation like now in freestyle games, my suggestion would allow the players with slower computers to play freestyle games with equal chances for winning.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:43 am
by drunkmonkey
Keeping the bonus you had at the end of the turn without giving another player a chance to break it is not strategy. It's exploiting a loophole. If you want that crap added to the game, find another script to put it in. It won't be added to BOB.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:11 pm
by AndrewB
sherkaner wrote:Yep, I'm at work so I won't be able to do something about it for the next 8 hours at least. But it probably has something to do with the new xml for objectives. I guess they adapted the XML for crusaders already.
You are right, the XML was updated to include the Continents. I am an xml author for that map, and I was not aware of the change... :S
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:04 pm
by sherkaner
josko.ri wrote:I dont agree. it will not give advantage to anybody, it will make game more fair because both players will get bonus that they deserve at the end of last round. without that option great advantage is present to the one who plays the first. first playing player will always have full bonus and steal other player his full bonus. i think it is real advantage, and my suggestion is to reduce that advantage and make game more fair. players with slower computers are very handicapped in situation like now in freestyle games, my suggestion would allow the players with slower computers to play freestyle games with equal chances for winning.
It was discussed before. Though it is not hard to implement (I do think some people have this 'feature'), this is where the people before me drew the line, and I agree.
(Btw, it is usually requested for Clickable Maps. Somehow it fits better there.)
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:36 pm
by Army of GOD
Ah! It keeps blinking "Update Available", and I've tried clicking it and re-installing BOB. What the Hell?
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:53 am
by ender516
Once you install the update, click F5 to refresh the page, and it should show "Latest Version Installed". At least, it did for me. I think, though, that this used to be automatic.
EDIT: Sorry, I actually had to use Ctrl-F5. I remembered this when I got to a different machine and had to go through this again.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:44 am
by Dako
Is it only me, or BOB menu hovering doesn't change background color and text color? Also, same for newly added snapshots.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:59 am
by ender516
It's not just you.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:13 am
by Big Whiskey
Can anyone show me where to get an older version of BOB?This new one keeps Initializing BOB!
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:35 am
by Dako
Big Whiskey wrote:Can anyone show me where to get an older version of BOB?This new one keeps Initializing BOB!
Install old BOB
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:40 pm
by Namor
Snapshots not working... anybody else with the same issue?
4.10.5
Firefox/3.6.3
Vista
EDIT, I tried going back to 4.10.4, but still can't take a snap. I'm able to view old ones.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:01 pm
by Dako
Namor wrote:Snapshots not working... anybody else with the same issue?
4.10.5
Firefox/3.6.3
Vista
EDIT, I tried going back to 4.10.4, but still can't take a snap. I'm able to view old ones.
Are you sure you cannot take them? Error showing up? Because I can take them - but no animation shows up. They are pop into snapshot list silently.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:17 pm
by sherkaner
I'm able to take them too (and I didn't notice the loss of animations/hover effects until now
).
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:45 pm
by Namor
No I definitely can't snap, I'm clicking the button and absolutely nothing happens (like the button is as dead as any blank spot on the page).
No error report and refreshing makes no difference.
I can view old snaps and if I try taking a new one whilst viewing an old one, then the 'Take Snapshot' button acts like the 'Revert to live' button.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:27 pm
by mikkel
I cannot take shapshots either, really annoying!
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:32 pm
by sherkaner
I did not make changes in the part of the script this seems to occur (judging from Namor's remarks). So I don't know how to solve it at the moment.
Re: BOB 4.10.4
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:51 pm
by sherkaner
Ow wait, I came up with something else. Could you reinstall and try whether it works now?
Re: BOB 4.10.5
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:29 pm
by Namor
Affraid not, sher.
Since 4.10.4 isn't working either, could it be to do with Firefox?