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Napoleon Ier wrote:Simply conjuring up absurd straw men

Napoleon Ier wrote:posting a few smileys afterwards never really has passed for an argument anyway.

Backglass wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:Simply conjuring up absurd straw men

Absurd? Like believing in men with wings & talking snakes?

Napoleon Ier wrote:posting a few smileys afterwards never really has passed for an argument anyway.

Shall we argue how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin then? It's about as worthwhile as arguing the existence of your invisible, magical creatures...

I say 1000. Go!

Napoleon Ier wrote:Yes, both those things are absurd. What possible reason would you have for assuming serious Christian theologians in this day and age subscribe to belief in these things?

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:Yes, both those things are absurd. What possible reason would you have for assuming serious Christian theologians in this day and age subscribe to belief in these things?

Augustine certainly didn't, but a remarkable number of evangelicals do.

mpjh wrote:Ah, he wrote books that people who can read, do read.

mpjh wrote:

Lev306 wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:

Lev306 wrote:Existence can not come from nothingness...

What's your proof? Have you observed nothingness? Pure nothingness, no matter, no time, no dimensions, not even any space for there to be any matter.

Well following what science has told us so far, we haven't found anything that empircally shows existence coming from nothingness - ie. the sudden creation of mass or energy from seemingly no source. Secondly, since when was observation necessary. Have we witnessed four space? five space? six space? ... ten space? How do we know it exists? Is Brian Greene lying to us all? To make an even simpler example, we have never witnessed two space or one space, therefore it doesn't exist? Yet we are composed of two space and one space. By the same way we can envision multiple dimensions, we can imagine no dimension/no space(encompasses no time, no matter, etc). Alternatively you can imagine 2 states, one being the presence of anything, the other being the absence of presence of anything. Think light vs darkness, darkness is simply defined as the absence of light or a cs component, 1 vs 0. Well obviously they aren't exactly the same as existence vs. nothingness but thats the best way I can help you imagine it if you can't think of it.

Snorri1234 wrote:

Lev306 wrote:Also note I'm not necessarily pointing to God. Think about this, perhaps this existence is just the dreams of a random person. Hes not god, but hes our creator nonetheless. This too could be as easily accepted as the idea of an intelligent creator; it all just comes down to personal belief.

Yup. And when this personal belief leads you to believe this "God" randomly intervenes in people's life and arbitrarily bans people for not following his weird rules, then it starts making less sense.


The problem with this argument is that it always seem to come from those who already have determined that this "creator" is none other than the deity they've been worshipping all along! What a miraculous cooincidence! They've already got a list of attributes and dislikes (few likes) that this creator should obviously have.

Yeah but thats more of a problem with people who choose to see it that way instead of treating it more in a scientific manner, not so much with the argument. After all, the reason for the vagueness of the definition is meant such that anything can really apply. Chaos itself could be the creator, who knows? Religious ppl just tend to see things the want to, but that pretty much goes for anything for them, natural phenomena included too, or freak accidents.

I see, your post is approaching nothingness and it is hard to see any life coming from that. I agree with snorri, nothingness is boring.

mpjh wrote:First, you haven't shown that something cannot come from nothing. Second, you haven't shown that there was ever a nothing.

Lev306 wrote:2.I'm not arguing that there necessarily has to be a nothing. If there is a something, there is also the possibility of a nothing.

Kinda like how 1 and -1 together makes 0

I think that trying to use religion as a science or science as a religion is wrong

Nothing is certain

China (the "Army of the East")... Russia ( the "Army to the North") will attack Israel but be destroyed by China.

I have Jesus and you can't top that authority buddy! But since you claim to be an OM lets put you to the test.....

dellmanlego wrote:God Exists!
#1 Since when did destruction (big bang) create life. tell me when the last time that happened!
#2 Why did "scientist" find the fossils for the caber toothed tiger thousands of miles apart from each other?
#3 The Bible stated the earth went around the sun before the first "scientist" figured it out
#4 Now I need you to look this up the Bible says that Babylon would never be rebuilt... See how far Saddam Hu Cane come in its Reconstruction people died from "accidents" and all the further he could get built is the gateway in your face Atheists!
#5 Go to Egypt "Scientists" say the records there are accurate. Why is the story of Josef there?
#6 a sample from the believed arc was sent to a carbon dating center yep BC then it was sent there unlabeled several million years old does this sound right???

I shall continue to edit this post

dellmanlego wrote:#13

China (the "Army of the East")... Russia ( the "Army to the North") will attack Israel but be destroyed by China.

Knock Knock sounds like WWII to me Germany and Russia

#15

I have Jesus and you can't top that authority buddy! But since you claim to be an OM lets put you to the test.....

1. Moses 2. John 3. it is referring to the death of Jesus died on Friday the "new" temple is in heaven 4. sacrifice a pure lamb 5. the lamb represented Christ Jesus 6."sell all thy goods and follow me"-Jesus talking to prince (how did I do PS I didn't use a reference)

I shall continue to edit this post and add more (PS send me a pm so i can respond but also put it on the post)(I've referenced with the first 15 pages and my own personal responses)

dellmanlego wrote:God Exists! By an 8TH grader telling you off! Atheists be ware of frustration!
#1 Since when did destruction (big bang) create life. tell me when the last time that happened!
#2 Why did "scientist" find the fossils for the caber toothed tiger thousands of miles apart from each other?
#3 The Bible stated the earth went around the sun before the first "scientist" figured it out
#4 Now I need you to look this up the Bible says that Babylon would never be rebuilt... See how far Saddam Hu Cane come in its Reconstruction people died from "accidents" and all the further he could get built is the gateway in your face Atheists!
#5 Go to Egypt "Scientists" say the records there are accurate. Why is the story of Josef there?
#6 a sample from the believed arc was sent to a carbon dating center yep BC then it was sent there unlabeled several million years old does this sound right???
#7 "Scientists" them selfs state that an organism can not gain nor lose chromosomes so how did animals evolve?
#8 Communism is a atheist country with a dictator who attempts to force it upon them
#9 the end day prophecies there will be wars and rumors of wars... tragedies of earthquakes, fire, storms will be more severe
#10

Kinda like how 1 and -1 together makes 0

the natural tendency of mater and anti mater is to cancel out
#11

I think that trying to use religion as a science or science as a religion is wrong

Bible "a man can't serve two masters" I'm pretty sure that is not rocket science
#12

Nothing is certain

there is not one Bible prophecy proved to be wrong, if so show me it I dare you
#13

China (the "Army of the East")... Russia ( the "Army to the North") will attack Israel but be destroyed by China.

This is wrong taken out of context Army of North=God's side Army of South=Devil
#14 Just because God lets everyone make their own chaises it does not mean that he doesn't interfere with the world
#15 Challenge

I have Jesus and you can't top that authority buddy! But since you claim to be an OM lets put you to the test.....

1. Moses 2. John 3. it is referring to the death of Jesus died on Friday the "new" temple is in heaven 4. sacrifice a pure lamb 5. the lamb represented Christ Jesus 6."sell all thy goods and follow me"-Jesus talking to prince (how did I do PS I didn't use a reference)
#16 Adaptation is not evolution... evolution is where the original can no longer produce with the new which has never happened
#17 Sodom and Gomorrah have sulfur (brimstone) there from where god sent it down from the heavens

I shall continue to edit this post and add more (PS send me a pm so i can respond but also put it on the post)(I've referenced with the first 23 pages and my own personal responses)

dellmanlego wrote:#16 Adaptation is not evolution... evolution is where the original can no longer produce with the new which has never happened

Snorri1234 wrote:The big bang was destruction????

MeDeFe wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:The big bang was destruction????

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.

Balsiefen wrote:I think this thread may be god, it seems to be equally immortal.

MeDeFe wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:The big bang was destruction????

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.

I was wondering about quite a bit of that post, it makes fun reading.

MeDeFe wrote:

Balsiefen wrote:I think this thread may be god, it seems to be equally immortal.

MeDeFe wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:The big bang was destruction????

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.

I was wondering about quite a bit of that post, it makes fun reading.

But the grammar gets worse and worse throughout the post.

Snorri1234 wrote:It's fun trying to figure out what he's actually saying.

StiffMittens wrote:

dellmanlego wrote:#16 Adaptation is not evolution... evolution is where the original can no longer produce with the new which has never happened

What you are describing is speciation. Evolution is succinctly defined here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-definition.html.