Conquer Club

Titanic wrote:

jefjef wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

What? The world was supplied with weapons - planes - ships - food - oil - ammo and the USA long before we entered the war. Without US the russians would have fallen and britain would have starved.

Our military wasn't that great? Why do you think the Germans prefered to NOT face Americans in combat.

As far as military today. None can reasonably compare to the US. Even those we equip.

The Soviets won WWII militarily, the USA won in reality. Without the Soviets it would have been 10x as hard to beat the Axis in Africa and Western Europe. The best German troops and commanders and weaponry were all on the Eastern Front. Numbers wise the eastern front vs western front is no comparison.

if only non-reality could be reality....

too bad thornheart isnt among us anymore, he would have proved 10 ways americans are actually inferior in every post.

also what's up with american's always digging up that W2 thingi, if you like digging up the past we might as well be calling you children, because even though we also our problems here, at the end of the day Europe founded YOU.

jaimito101 wrote:too bad thornheart isnt among us anymore, he would have proved 10 ways americans are actually inferior in every post.

also what's up with american's always digging up that W2 thingi, if you like digging up the past we might as well be calling you children, because even though we also our problems here, at the end of the day Europe founded YOU.

Yes, and the Romans had the founded language of all the languages in Western Europe, yet you don't see the people who live in Rome today demanding that all nations speaking Spanish, English, French, Portugese, and Italian making red herring arguments.

jefjef wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

What? The world was supplied with weapons - planes - ships - food - oil - ammo and the USA long before we entered the war. Without US the russians would have fallen and britain would have starved.

Our military wasn't that great? Why do you think the Germans prefered to NOT face Americans in combat.

As far as military today. None can reasonably compare to the US. Even those we equip.

In WWI, the Americans joined the war a year before it ended because they were afraid of losing. They came in because they thought it was "safe". Btw, without the Americans, we would of still won WWII, without the russians, we would have lost.
Americans think they are everything. And lastly, in a battle between the U.S and China, I'd bet on China.

b.k. barunt wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Titanic wrote:

Nobunaga wrote: ... And secondly, we have totally kicked ass on all fronts since our inception. We rock, absolutely.

...

Does that include Vietnam?

Sure! We fronted supplies to the French, they lost, we propped up some dictator in the South and disrupted the Communists from unifying the nation, then we dragged on a costly war and tore their country to shit. They shortly unified, but we set them back by decades. Of course, we lost, but we still delivered a harsh ass-kicking.

It's sentiment like this that makes me an unamerican american. As a vet of the aforementioned conflict i say f*ck the US. If this were Star Wars we'd be the empire. Yeah i live here and no i won't get the f*ck out - this is my home and this is where i'll stay, but i hate the rat bastards who've raped our constitution and given us the ersatz Amerika we have now and i have utter contempt for the slackjawed morons that wave the flag and cheer them on.


Honibaz

I fully agree.

englishboy77 wrote:

jefjef wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

What? The world was supplied with weapons - planes - ships - food - oil - ammo and the USA long before we entered the war. Without US the russians would have fallen and britain would have starved.

Our military wasn't that great? Why do you think the Germans prefered to NOT face Americans in combat.

As far as military today. None can reasonably compare to the US. Even those we equip.

In WWI, the Americans joined the war a year before it ended because they were afraid of losing. They came in because they thought it was "safe". Btw, without the Americans, we would of still won WWII, without the russians, we would have lost.
Americans think they are everything. And lastly, in a battle between the U.S and China, I'd bet on China.

It's standard super power procedure to stay out of war as long as possible. Not to mention America did not want the war, and Wilson got elected promising he would keep us out of the war. Also, America was a "1915" ocean away. Not like we were the first ones there or right next door when you need some sugar...

englishboy77 wrote:

jefjef wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

What? The world was supplied with weapons - planes - ships - food - oil - ammo and the USA long before we entered the war. Without US the russians would have fallen and britain would have starved.

Our military wasn't that great? Why do you think the Germans prefered to NOT face Americans in combat.

As far as military today. None can reasonably compare to the US. Even those we equip.

In WWI, the Americans joined the war a year before it ended because they were afraid of losing. They came in because they thought it was "safe". Btw, without the Americans, we would of still won WWII, without the russians, we would have lost.
Americans think they are everything. And lastly, in a battle between the U.S and China, I'd bet on China.

In WWI, the US joined because of the Zimmerman Telegram, the Lusitania, and the behest of the, believe it or not, British. The Western Front had become a dead lock with no actual advantage going to either side as both were being worn down. The Americans provided fresh troops and morale which ultimately tipped the scale in favor of the Allies.
In WWII, the US was shipping much needed supplies to both the Russians and Brits long before we ever started sending troops. To overlook or deny this simple fact is to overlook or deny history.
As for China, it would be a foolhardy idea to invade them and it would give them a distinct advantage. However, if on a more neutral ground, the US would have an advantage simply because of the quality of soldiers that are produced and the more and more sophisticated weapons that are continously being made.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:

jefjef wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

What? The world was supplied with weapons - planes - ships - food - oil - ammo and the USA long before we entered the war. Without US the russians would have fallen and britain would have starved.

Our military wasn't that great? Why do you think the Germans prefered to NOT face Americans in combat.

As far as military today. None can reasonably compare to the US. Even those we equip.

In WWI, the Americans joined the war a year before it ended because they were afraid of losing. They came in because they thought it was "safe". Btw, without the Americans, we would of still won WWII, without the russians, we would have lost.
Americans think they are everything. And lastly, in a battle between the U.S and China, I'd bet on China.

In WWI, the US joined because of the Zimmerman Telegram, the Lusitania, and the behest of the, believe it or not, British. The Western Front had become a dead lock with no actual advantage going to either side as both were being worn down. The Americans provided fresh troops and morale which ultimately tipped the scale in favor of the Allies.
In WWII, the US was shipping much needed supplies to both the Russians and Brits long before we ever started sending troops. To overlook or deny this simple fact is to overlook or deny history.
As for China, it would be a foolhardy idea to invade them and it would give them a distinct advantage. However, if on a more neutral ground, the US would have an advantage simply because of the quality of soldiers that are produced and the more and more sophisticated weapons that are continously being made.

Plus Americans don't drink their own pee

Phatscotty wrote:

englishboy77 wrote: In WWI, the Americans joined the war a year before it ended because they were afraid of losing. They came in because they thought it was "safe". Btw, without the Americans, we would of still won WWII, without the russians, we would have lost.
Americans think they are everything. And lastly, in a battle between the U.S and China, I'd bet on China.

It's standard super power procedure to stay out of war as long as possible. Not to mention America did not want the war, and Wilson got elected promising he would keep us out of the war. Also, America was a "1915" ocean away. Not like we were the first ones there or right next door when you need some sugar...

America was not a superpower in WWI. It was a very multi-polar world with a huge amount of Great Powers.

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

muy_thaiguy wrote:

jaimito101 wrote:too bad thornheart isnt among us anymore, he would have proved 10 ways americans are actually inferior in every post.

also what's up with american's always digging up that W2 thingi, if you like digging up the past we might as well be calling you children, because even though we also our problems here, at the end of the day Europe founded YOU.

Yes, and the Romans had the founded language of all the languages in Western Europe, yet you don't see the people who live in Rome today demanding that all nations speaking Spanish, English, French, Portugese, and Italian making red herring arguments.

my point being, this post is meant to discuss NOW and not the past.

Think America is/has been on top for so long, just for the simple reason of being the biggest developed country in the world, therefore being able to impose their will upon the world. Seeing that their country is based on egocentral succes over other peoples back this is starting to catch up with them. The US is by far the most hated country in the world at the moment, also the country with the largest debt, and highest relative crime for a developed country and one of the greatest inequality.

Though all of this is true it still remains the largest developed country, so i still dont see "the americanization" of the world changing in the immediate future.

Its been around 300 years of America, now the decay starts, I give em 200 more.

And yeah, what's with always bringing up to light WWII? It's that all they teach you at school?

Many factors could've been decisive in my rather shallow knowledge of the story.

What would've happen if Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor?
if Hitler hadn't attacked his Soviet allies?
if Einstein hadn't written that famous letter?
if the Europeans scientists hadn't fled to the US?
if the Nazis had come up with the bomb first?
if Japan had attacked all the coast and some other places instead of only Pearl Harbor?

The US didn't know how powerful they were before WWII. Since then it's been showing off for quite sometime now. I'm not a fan of wars (and I'm on a risk site) but it's been said a potency needs them to keep the people frightened and willing and the spoils. So, maybe instead of being cocky about your country occupations and superpower you should read 1984.

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

Won WWII??? You barely held on to your own country - had to evacuate all of your fooking children to the countryside. Gimmeafuckingbreak! The Germans were about to azzrape the queen when we stepped in. Then you had your faggot general Montgomery getting in our way and fucking up the most simple maneuvers.

And yeah, Pearl Harbor was a molehill that we turned into a mountain - fooking Japs just wanted to sink a few of our ships - talk about overreacting!


Honibaz

b.k. barunt wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

Won WWII??? You barely held on to your own country - had to evacuate all of your fooking children to the countryside. Gimmeafuckingbreak! The Germans were about to azzrape the queen when we stepped in. Then you had your faggot general Montgomery getting in our way and fucking up the most simple maneuvers.

And yeah, Pearl Harbor was a molehill that we turned into a mountain - fooking Japs just wanted to sink a few of our ships - talk about overreacting!


Honibaz

We won the Battle of Britain without any US pilots. The Nazis were not going to conquer us by the time you stepped in.

Oh, Monty was awesome btw. He provided the crucial turning point for the western forces against the Axis at El Alamein.

Phatscotty wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:

jefjef wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

What? The world was supplied with weapons - planes - ships - food - oil - ammo and the USA long before we entered the war. Without US the russians would have fallen and britain would have starved.

Our military wasn't that great? Why do you think the Germans prefered to NOT face Americans in combat.

As far as military today. None can reasonably compare to the US. Even those we equip.

In WWI, the Americans joined the war a year before it ended because they were afraid of losing. They came in because they thought it was "safe". Btw, without the Americans, we would of still won WWII, without the russians, we would have lost.
Americans think they are everything. And lastly, in a battle between the U.S and China, I'd bet on China.

In WWI, the US joined because of the Zimmerman Telegram, the Lusitania, and the behest of the, believe it or not, British. The Western Front had become a dead lock with no actual advantage going to either side as both were being worn down. The Americans provided fresh troops and morale which ultimately tipped the scale in favor of the Allies.
In WWII, the US was shipping much needed supplies to both the Russians and Brits long before we ever started sending troops. To overlook or deny this simple fact is to overlook or deny history.
As for China, it would be a foolhardy idea to invade them and it would give them a distinct advantage. However, if on a more neutral ground, the US would have an advantage simply because of the quality of soldiers that are produced and the more and more sophisticated weapons that are continously being made.

Plus Americans don't drink their own pee

Yes, but they hump anything with a pulse....

englishboy77 wrote: Yes, but they hump anything with a pulse....

Yeah i'll admit some of those Brit wimminz are fugly heiffers but if we yanks didn't step in you'd have a lot more lesbos and a lot smaller population. You should be grateful for our virility and enthusiasm. A bit of simple gratitude would be in order here.


Honibaz

b.k. barunt wrote:

englishboy77 wrote: Yes, but they hump anything with a pulse....

Yeah i'll admit some of those Brit wimminz are fugly heiffers but if we yanks didn't step in you'd have a lot more lesbos and a lot smaller population. You should be grateful for our virility and enthusiasm. A bit of simple gratitude would be in order here.


Honibaz

That is precisely why we, fashionably late mind you, go to war.

barunt is correct. Now please apologize to US. We are your daddy.

b.k. barunt wrote:
Yeah i'll admit some of those Brit wimminz are fugly heiffers



Honibaz

bk, you need to see and hear Kelly Brook. She is lovely mate

here's a picture...

Pedronicus wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:
Yeah i'll admit some of those Brit wimminz are fugly heiffers



Honibaz

bk, you need to see and hear Kelly Brook. She is lovely mate

here's a picture...

Gorgeous.

nietzsche wrote:... think they're are the center of the world and keep posting about american media, american politics, american celebrities, etc, etc, etc.. ?


This is an invitation to all the monkey community who are not americans to post related to your country, or whatever else that's not merely american.

Nietzsche,
For what it's worth, I would love to see more non-USA political posts on here. Unfortunately, in the US, it is very tough to find any detailed international news and zero commentary on it. We can hear a bit on NPR (National Public Radio) though the majority of it is via BBC radio conveyed by NPR. I heard about the Greek economic crisis on here long before I heard a hint of it in any of the US media, and the discussion on here offered far more detail than the brief mention any of the US media made about it. As several people have mentioned, the majority of people posting in this forum appear to be from the US (with a decently sized Canadian contingent which is probably also relatively comfortable discussing US politics since they probably have received more detailed analysis on their media than what we in the states get anyway!). Since we know so little about what is going on outside of the US, we generally have little to contribute even if we are keen to know more. Furthermore, from what my wife (who completed an M.A. in Spanish Literature in a program with only two people from the US and quite a few from all over Central and South America) tells me, most of the rest of the world considers it somewhat uncouth to discuss religion and politics in polite casual conversation.
On a side note, it is not really suitable to refer to people from the US as "Americans." I know that's the common term, but the peoples of Central and South America are equally "American" and really don't appreciate the US monopolizing the term. I know I'm a bit of an odd bird for taking either of these two positions, especially as one who tends to lean more conservative/libertarian. But to the extent that I am libertarian in my foreign policy, I tend to prefer the non-interventionist approach of Ron Paul and would like to be on much friendlier terms with the other nations of the world.

b.k. barunt wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

Won WWII??? You barely held on to your own country - had to evacuate all of your fooking children to the countryside. Gimmeafuckingbreak! The Germans were about to azzrape the queen when we stepped in. Then you had your faggot general Montgomery getting in our way and fucking up the most simple maneuvers.

Honibaz

Churchill was certainly desperate for America to join the war completely. As we all know, Peal Harbour was an unusually good day for Churchill and Hitler's immediate declaration against America the icing on top. But that was to actually win the war, not to save Britain. Britain was capable of keeping Germany from crossing the channel, but certainly not capable of making a reasonable Western front without France.

So I don't think Germany could actually have invaded England. They certainly tried, and failed. Their attempts on Britain were pretty much done by 1941. Maybe if they had defeated Russia they would have then turned their full forces on Britain...but they didn't, so there is not much point discussing whether Britain would have needed America later.

Hitler SHOULD have ignored the Eastern front for one more year and attacked the British Empire with everything he had. He might well have beaten us then and I'm not sure America could have saved us anyway.

My point is that America didn't save England. We were saved because Hitler was a complete lunatic from about 1941 and got all the key decisions wrong. Therefore we were able to survive. If he had played his hand differently he would have crushed us and America couldn't have saved us anyway.

Mr Changsha wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:

englishboy77 wrote:Just to remind you..... We could of still have won WWII without the Americans.
The American military isnt all that great.
The Americans find some little problem and use that as an excuse to go to war with someone......

Won WWII??? You barely held on to your own country - had to evacuate all of your fooking children to the countryside. Gimmeafuckingbreak! The Germans were about to azzrape the queen when we stepped in. Then you had your faggot general Montgomery getting in our way and fucking up the most simple maneuvers.

Honibaz

Churchill was certainly desperate for America to join the war completely. As we all know, Peal Harbour was an unusually good day for Churchill and Hitler's immediate declaration against America the icing on top. But that was to actually win the war, not to save Britain. Britain was capable of keeping Germany from crossing the channel, but certainly not capable of making a reasonable Western front without France.

So I don't think Germany could actually have invaded England. They certainly tried, and failed. Their attempts on Britain were pretty much done by 1941. Maybe if they had defeated Russia they would have then turned their full forces on Britain...but they didn't, so there is not much point discussing whether Britain would have needed America later.

Hitler SHOULD have ignored the Eastern front for one more year and attacked the British Empire with everything he had. He might well have beaten us then and I'm not sure America could have saved us anyway.

My point is that America didn't save England. We were saved because Hitler was a complete lunatic from about 1941 and got all the key decisions wrong. Therefore we were able to survive. If he had played his hand differently he would have crushed us and America couldn't have saved us anyway.

So, the U-boats sinking countless supply vessels on their way to GB were not putting incredible pressure on the British? The US stepped in and was shipping supplies to Britain escorted by battleships faster then the U-boats could destroy them. Air battle aside, the Naziswere winning the war of attrition at that point.

And the only reason why Russia was finally able to halt the Nazis was because the Japanese were finally forced to focus all of their attention on the US and other Pacific threats. Thus allowing the Russians to shift over divisions (quite a few troops actually) that had been waiting to fight off the Japanese. Oh, and the winter helped too.

Why are non-American... apparently incapable of discussing anything except America?

Burrito wrote:Why are non-American... apparently incapable of discussing anything except America?

Cuz jealousy is a terrible thing to waste.

Burrito wrote:Why are non-American... apparently incapable of discussing anything except America?

2 words.
Penis envy.