Conquer Club

Because the said God is not actually there - instead he is being used as the reason to do such corrupt things.

Also may I remind Christians who are out there that God is not His name - he has no name. The 'God' name comes from people saying 'the God' as in 'the God in heaven must be displeased', because they gave him no name. And that switched a bit...
Allah is not His name either - Allah means 'nameless one' or something along those lines.
YHWH is a standby for a name - Judaism did not want a name either.

Three religions - same god damn thing. They use the word of (I don't want to say God...) to please their wants and desires.

Your God is just as likely as my God, another man's God, L Ron Hubbard's God (funnier if it wasn't true). Just don't be so sure of what you say.

Newcastle my deluded friend, people with far more education than you, have tried countless times to disprove Christianity. There is not a person on the planet that could disprove Christianity. It can not be done.

If Christianity cannot be disproved, neither can the boogeyman. Prove to me that he doesn't exist.

God is given plenty of names in the Bible.

I AM
Bright and Morning Star
The Lion of Judah

That's just to name a few.

Guiscard, you can't just assume that the God and Allah are the same. Just because they have the same roots in Abraham means nothing. When Mohammed conquered Mecca, the people had turned to worshiping pagan idols, and was a profitable city for the trade religious pilgramages brought. Then Mohammed comes on the scene and claims they're all wrong, saying there is one god. Not nessicarily the God of Abraham.

pancakemix wrote:God is given plenty of names in the Bible.

I AM
Bright and Morning Star

I thought Satan was the Morning Star.

Guiscard, you can't just assume that the God and Allah are the same. Just because they have the same roots in Abraham means nothing. When Mohammed conquered Mecca, the people had turned to worshiping pagan idols, and was a profitable city for the trade religious pilgramages brought. Then Mohammed comes on the scene and claims they're all wrong, saying there is one god. Not nessicarily the God of Abraham.

They are the same God. The Muslims were the descendants of Ishmael (Abraham's son by the servant woman) and the Jews were the descendants of Issac (Abraham's on by his wife).

unriggable wrote:Because the said God is not actually there - instead he is being used as the reason to do such corrupt things.

Also may I remind Christians who are out there that God is not His name - he has no name. The 'God' name comes from people saying 'the God' as in 'the God in heaven must be displeased', because they gave him no name. And that switched a bit...
Allah is not His name either - Allah means 'nameless one' or something along those lines.
YHWH is a standby for a name - Judaism did not want a name either.

T

In the bible god revealed his personal name to Moses.


Exodus 3:15 God also said to Moses, " Say to your Israelites, The Lord, the God of your Fathers-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob-has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation."


There we go.

pancakemix wrote:God is given plenty of names in the Bible.

I AM
Bright and Morning Star
The Lion of Judah

That's just to name a few.

Guiscard, you can't just assume that the God and Allah are the same. Just because they have the same roots in Abraham means nothing. When Mohammed conquered Mecca, the people had turned to worshiping pagan idols, and was a profitable city for the trade religious pilgramages brought. Then Mohammed comes on the scene and claims they're all wrong, saying there is one god. Not nessicarily the God of Abraham.

I'm not assuming anything, its a proven and valid statement. For fucks sake, just google it or type 'Abrahamic God' into wikipedia.

Why do I get the impression that this is something you just assume isn;t true without actually looking into it. It really isn't something I need to prove.

And yes, vtmarik is right, the Arabs believe they are the descendants of Ishmael and the Jews of Isaac. it IS neccessarily the Abrahamic God just because... well... because it IS!

Satan is the Star of the Morning. There is a difference.

wikipedia wrote:The Oneness of God is the first of Islam's five pillars

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism, which does not have the doctrine of the Trinity. One of Christianity's main beliefs is that God is One in Three, Three in One. Islam declares that that is false in it's first declaration. How can One in Three, Three in one be the same as One. No one else. Just Allah. One.

Look it really isn't something that is arguable. Its just fact. They all derive from the same Semitic traditions and Abrahamic God.

Did you google it? I doubt it...

No religion can be proven true or false, it is all a question of faith. If a religion was proven true, faith would be meaningless and hence
practice of that religion would be useless.

Hence, if you wanted to prove a religion false, first prove it to be true.

unriggable wrote:Because the said God is not actually there - instead he is being used as the reason to do such corrupt things.

Also may I remind Christians who are out there that God is not His name - he has no name. The 'God' name comes from people saying 'the God' as in 'the God in heaven must be displeased', because they gave him no name. And that switched a bit...
Allah is not His name either - Allah means 'nameless one' or something along those lines.
YHWH is a standby for a name - Judaism did not want a name either.

Three religions - same god damn thing. They use the word of (I don't want to say God...) to please their wants and desires.

Your God is just as likely as my God, another man's God, L Ron Hubbard's God (funnier if it wasn't true). Just don't be so sure of what you say.

He right you know - the word "God" is just a translation. In Hebrew (OT)the use different names for different facets of God - Jehova, Yahweh etc. When it came translating it, it was simplified to God and The Lord when these words came up. Now I'm not a Christian - but I think this is kind of all related to the Holy Trinity ie God & The Holy Ghost + Son of God (although he's obviously only in the NT so doesn't have the same problem).

jay_a2j wrote:Newcastle my deluded friend, people with far more education than you, have tried countless times to disprove fairies at the bottom of my garden. There is not a person on the planet that could disprove fairies, or unicorns, or little green men, or atlantis. It can not be done.

Jay i think you might be onto something here

ok. i submit. but i will say this. people make religion to make them feel happy about themselves with the universal, "There is something else after this."
This is what has gotten me annoyed with religion because i believe what we have now is pretty damn good. why can't this be it?

sorry for wasting your time but it has proved another of my ideas. religion was created to inspire peace but has been used by lots of people to inspire anger and hate.

well that is it for me. bye.

Titanic wrote:Newcastle I think you suck (offence intended)

i second that he does really suck i know him he goes to my school !!! so sod u !!!

Guiscard, I posted my last message and then went to bed. I didn't see your message until this morning. I googled Abrahamic God and got the wiki page. Your point is not proved. Like I said, Muslims claim that their god is God, the same God, but there is never anything to back that with. I don't see any backing anywhere. The point is that it's not true and Mohammed had a revalation from a false god.

pancakemix wrote:Satan is the Star of the Morning. There is a difference.

wikipedia wrote:The Oneness of God is the first of Islam's five pillars

Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism, which does not have the doctrine of the Trinity. One of Christianity's main beliefs is that God is One in Three, Three in One. Islam declares that that is false in it's first declaration. How can One in Three, Three in one be the same as One. No one else. Just Allah. One.

To be accurate, the trinity is one of Catholicism (and it's non-Lutheran offshoots) main beliefs. There are numerous Christian faiths that don't believe in the trinity. Also, are you using a dinosaur as an avatar as an attempt at some sort of fundamentalist ironic humor? Because you know...they never existed--it's all lies!!!

Newcastle, religions are only fake for those that are not of any religion, or the damned, retarded people.

I am not religious, but respect these peoples view.

jay_a2j wrote:Newcastle my deluded friend, people with far more education than you, have tried countless times to disprove Christianity. There is not a person on the planet that could disprove Christianity. It can not be done.

Jay my deluded friend, people with far more education than you, have tried countless times to disprove Leprechauns. There is not a person on the planet that could disprove Leprechauns. It can not be done.

And quit stealing my lines.

pancakemix wrote:Guiscard, I posted my last message and then went to bed. I didn't see your message until this morning. I googled Abrahamic God and got the wiki page. Your point is not proved. Like I said, Muslims claim that their god is God, the same God, but there is never anything to back that with. I don't see any backing anywhere. The point is that it's not true and Mohammed had a revalation from a false god.

I'm not trying to prove or disprove God. I don't believe in God at all so obviously to me Jesus's father was a 'false' God as well, as was Abraham's God.

Stop being silly, they all have the same roots and traditions. There is all three Holy books to prove that with, as well as pretty much all scholarly opinion on the matter. I'm not saying any religion is right and any is wrong, or that they're all right just that in a purely religious anthropological sense they have the same God and traditions

Backglass wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Newcastle my deluded friend, people with far more education than you, have tried countless times to disprove Christianity. There is not a person on the planet that could disprove Christianity. It can not be done.

Jay my deluded friend, people with far more education than you, have tried countless times to disprove Leprechauns. There is not a person on the planet that could disprove Leprechauns. It can not be done.

And quit stealing my lines.

Fastposted This one was a sitter huh?

Newcastle wrote:ok. i submit.

Shouldn't that end the thread?

Newcastle wrote:This is what has gotten me annoyed with religion because i believe what we have now is pretty damn good. why can't this be it?

Because we were created to worship God. Not live a life of self-indulgence. We were created for His glory not our own.

jay_a2j wrote:Because we were created to worship God. Not live a life of self-indulgence. We were created for His glory not our own.

You sound like a fucking robot!


-X

heavycola wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Newcastle my deluded friend, people with far more education than you, have tried countless times to disprove fairies at the bottom of my garden. There is not a person on the planet that could disprove fairies, or unicorns, or little green men, or atlantis. It can not be done.

Jay i think you might be onto something here

I knew it! The whole "There are no aliens" thing was a cover so he could pretend to still be a part of the larger herd. But deep down inside of him, he's a believer like the rest of us!

Jay, you really had me worried. You don't have to put up your false front anymore, you can actually say what you really believe. No one's gonna fault you for hiding from other psycho-christians in your area.

you know my post was to end the thread but i'm happy to watch you guys prove mt idea right about religion being made for peace but used for hate and anger.

peace out guys! don't kill each other while i'm away!