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DoomYoshi wrote:The alternative is treating income as growth itself.mrswdk wrote:Says the guy living in his comfortable house in Canada playing Risk on the internet.DoomYoshi wrote:Why should people work jobs they don't need, making products that nobody needs? It is the Western perspective that puts economic growth at the forefront of goals that is what I call schizophrenic.
Hey that looks like Jim Carey with dyed red hair! (One more reason not to appreciate it.)mrswdk wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:The alternative is treating income as growth itself.mrswdk wrote:Says the guy living in his comfortable house in Canada playing Risk on the internet.DoomYoshi wrote:Why should people work jobs they don't need, making products that nobody needs? It is the Western perspective that puts economic growth at the forefront of goals that is what I call schizophrenic.
well, i'm not throwing them in the trash. i'm just removing the crutch. get your analogies straight.Dukasaur wrote:Yeah, okay Will. There's some bad apples in the basket so let's toss the whole basket in the trash. Got it.
I never said don't give them jobs.mrswdk wrote:So basically, WILLIAMS' solution to getting homeless people out of homelessness is to refuse to give them money or jobs, because to do either of those things 'enables' them.
Ignoring them and then coming up with reasons like 'they're probably all lazy drug addicts' is weak. Why not just admit that you want to wash your hands of them, rather than pretending there is some sort of moral aspect to your indifference?
jobs they don't need? I mean. I guess they could farm for their food. or become self sufficient. but if they are standing on a street corner pestering me for money, then they need a job if you ask me. or... they could actually create a product to sell that other people want/need. they could also go fish and sell the fish. which is very possible. in the fall you can pick up pecans to sell. actually brings in a nice penny for that. blackberries are also an easy alternative to trade for money vs. begging for it. a good three weeks of harvest there. right now. here in Houston mulberries grow wild. although not quite as desirable, still very possible to sell. tomatoes are very easy to grow and sell. as well as watermelons. a few cheap and easily obtainable hand tools can turn a common pallet into a multitude of desirable products. cattail shoots were used for years to make mats and baskets. which could be sold in any trade show. garage sale items are usually pretty cheap and possible to flip for a tidy profit.DoomYoshi wrote:Far better to exterminate all Malus plants, and any mention of them.I don't understand your point at all William. Why should people work jobs they don't need, making products that nobody needs? It is the Western perspective that puts economic growth at the forefront of goals that is what I call schizophrenic.
You are missing the point. We already waste so much. If instead of shredding the shoes they don't sell, Foot Locker gave them to charity, shoes would be a quarter of the price. We already produce way the f*ck more than even twice the population could need.WILLIAMS5232 wrote:jobs they don't need? I mean. I guess they could farm for their food. or become self sufficient. but if they are standing on a street corner pestering me for money, then they need a job if you ask me. or... they could actually create a product to sell that other people want/need. they could also go fish and sell the fish. which is very possible. in the fall you can pick up pecans to sell. actually brings in a nice penny for that. blackberries are also an easy alternative to trade for money vs. begging for it. a good three weeks of harvest there. right now. here in Houston mulberries grow wild. although not quite as desirable, still very possible to sell. tomatoes are very easy to grow and sell. as well as watermelons. a few cheap and easily obtainable hand tools can turn a common pallet into a multitude of desirable products. cattail shoots were used for years to make mats and baskets. which could be sold in any trade show. garage sale items are usually pretty cheap and possible to flip for a tidy profit.DoomYoshi wrote:Far better to exterminate all Malus plants, and any mention of them.I don't understand your point at all William. Why should people work jobs they don't need, making products that nobody needs? It is the Western perspective that puts economic growth at the forefront of goals that is what I call schizophrenic.
Are you talking about coitus? Lots of people fake it. I don't believe that counts as volunteering, but I'll let DoomYoshi decide.Lootifer wrote:Does putting on a smiling face for people I don't like count as volunteering?
Yosh.... how can you say that, when it was shovel ready projects that saved us from the great depression?DoomYoshi wrote:Why should people work jobs they don't need, making products that nobody needs? It is the Western perspective that puts economic growth at the forefront of goals that is what I call schizophrenic.
No it wasn't.Phatscotty wrote:Yosh.... how can you say that, when it was shovel ready projects that saved us from the great depression?
Erm... what? Those Great Depression shovels you guys are talking about were paid for by the US government.tzor wrote:On the other hand, at least we had "shovel ready" projects back then, we didn't have government to hold up the shovels.
"Hold up" as in "delay in the usage." You didn't have the EPA back then saying "You can't build an aquarium by the water without an environmental impact study." Instead you had the government hire an architect, get up the fastest blueprints they could make and start hiring the workers to build the structure.mrswdk wrote:Erm... what? Those Great Depression shovels you guys are talking about were paid for by the US government.
Ah, I got you.tzor wrote:"Hold up" as in "delay in the usage." You didn't have the EPA back then saying "You can't build an aquarium by the water without an environmental impact study." Instead you had the government hire an architect, get up the fastest blueprints they could make and start hiring the workers to build the structure.mrswdk wrote:Erm... what? Those Great Depression shovels you guys are talking about were paid for by the US government.
Sounds like the government was holding up your shovels even back then
This building took two years to build, from 1932-1934.
i'll bet the rent is pretty affordable.mrswdk wrote:Ah, I got you.tzor wrote:"Hold up" as in "delay in the usage." You didn't have the EPA back then saying "You can't build an aquarium by the water without an environmental impact study." Instead you had the government hire an architect, get up the fastest blueprints they could make and start hiring the workers to build the structure.mrswdk wrote:Erm... what? Those Great Depression shovels you guys are talking about were paid for by the US government.
Sounds like the government was holding up your shovels even back then
This building took two years to build, from 1932-1934.
I was reading that other day about a 50-storey apartment block in Changsha that's just been built in 19 days, start to finish.
Not really, it's an aquarium, that required a number of things, cutting into the keystone bedrock to make the outdoor pens. Building with concrete where natural water was in short supply (sea water was used in the concrete). And design of the many glass tanks that would hold up to the pressure of a lot of water. So it was a major undertaking and work was being done all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if a major storm or two had interrupted the process at any one point, but the biggest problem only happened after it opened when the overseas railroad was effectively killed after a major hurricane struck the keys.mrswdk wrote:Sounds like the government was holding up your shovels even back then
I dunno dude. Build that same thing in China and I bet it'd be finished within about 6 weeks.tzor wrote:Not really, it's an aquarium, that required a number of things, cutting into the keystone bedrock to make the outdoor pens. Building with concrete where natural water was in short supply (sea water was used in the concrete). And design of the many glass tanks that would hold up to the pressure of a lot of water. So it was a major undertaking and work was being done all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if a major storm or two had interrupted the process at any one point, but the biggest problem only happened after it opened when the overseas railroad was effectively killed after a major hurricane struck the keys.mrswdk wrote:Sounds like the government was holding up your shovels even back then
Don't you think a different location and a different tech level would not result in a different timeline.mrswdk wrote:I dunno dude. Build that same thing in China and I bet it'd be finished within about 6 weeks.
Phatscotty wrote:I don't give full credit for 'depression' as a real reason, since it can so easily be influenced by perception and education and secularism.
tkr4lf wrote:Phatscotty wrote:I don't give full credit for 'depression' as a real reason, since it can so easily be influenced by perception and education and secularism.
I was in that dream too. Weird.saxitoxin wrote:I had the weirdest dream last night with notyou2. This is the only time I've ever dreamed about someone on CC. Maybe this should be a thread of its own.notyou2 wrote:I kill the cats and dogs at the local shelter for free on weekends.
Anyway, notyou2 had a 25-foot Boston Whaler and asked if I wanted to take it with him to Hawaii. I said "sure," so we started out to Hawaii, and a couple hours later were close to the Big Island. However, in our way there were whitewater rapids and notyou2 said he didn't think we'd be able to make it through the rapids to get to Hawaii and he'd have to turn around and go back to the mainland. Except he made a wrong turn and we started to head straight into the rapids. Notyou2 said to hang on that we were going to push through them. So I put my life jacket on and notyou2 gunned it. Then I woke up.
If that's a Catch-22 reference, well done. If not, carry on.notyou2 wrote:I was in that dream too. Weird.saxitoxin wrote:I had the weirdest dream last night with notyou2. This is the only time I've ever dreamed about someone on CC. Maybe this should be a thread of its own.notyou2 wrote:I kill the cats and dogs at the local shelter for free on weekends.
Anyway, notyou2 had a 25-foot Boston Whaler and asked if I wanted to take it with him to Hawaii. I said "sure," so we started out to Hawaii, and a couple hours later were close to the Big Island. However, in our way there were whitewater rapids and notyou2 said he didn't think we'd be able to make it through the rapids to get to Hawaii and he'd have to turn around and go back to the mainland. Except he made a wrong turn and we started to head straight into the rapids. Notyou2 said to hang on that we were going to push through them. So I put my life jacket on and notyou2 gunned it. Then I woke up.