Conquer Club

Iliad wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:After reading this thread in its entirety and after carefully weighing up the arguments on both sides, I am able to declare the following:

Jay is completely wrong about everything he has said here.




This debate is now over, return to your respective abodes.

Narrowed minded types like yourself is the reason why the government has been so successful in covering up the "TRUTH".

First, the government was led to beleive by a certain individual by the nickname, "Curveball" that Iraq had nuclear capablities. Which was WRONG!

Second, Bush strikes at our freedom by conducting illegal wire taps. Yet NO ONE does anything about it. Hmm.

What else does the government have to do to make you realize their against us and not with us.

Maybe when they take our freedom of speach, you'll wake up.

Of course, it is easier to live an absolutely ignorant life then it is to face the facts that your very freedom is coming to an end.

why are all the conspiracy theorists also the REALLY perverse Christians?

Not all are Christian, just check out Yahoo Answers from time to time.

yahoo answers is easily more of a joke than this place....which at times is really saying something.

got tonkaed wrote:yahoo answers is easily more of a joke than this place....which at times is really saying something.

True, but that's how I found out about this website!

And the number of xtratabascos, jays, gips, suggs, and others are multiplied by the hundreds over there.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

got tonkaed wrote:yahoo answers is easily more of a joke than this place....which at times is really saying something.

True, but that's how I found out about this website!

And the number of xtratabascos, jays, gips, suggs, and others are multiplied by the hundreds over there.

i think i was like a level 3 or 4 there at somepoint...i havent done that in quite some time.

Really its a bit of a mutual admiration society out there (or at least was), it was really kinda useless to post in a thread because you could tell from the title what they wanted to hear.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Not all are Christian, just check out Yahoo Answers from time to time.

All the ones here seem to be. What ever happened to all the Athiest conspiracy theorists? I'm sure they could twist it around so 9/11 was actually the fault of the Catholic Church...

Neutrino wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Not all are Christian, just check out Yahoo Answers from time to time.

All the ones here seem to be. What ever happened to all the Athiest conspiracy theorists? I'm sure they could twist it around so 9/11 was actually the fault of the Catholic Church...

i think atheism as a belief in the conspiracy theory of religion and God was enough for one lifetime.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

got tonkaed wrote:yahoo answers is easily more of a joke than this place....which at times is really saying something.

True, but that's how I found out about this website!

And the number of xtratabascos, jays, gips, suggs, and others are multiplied by the hundreds over there.

You flatter me. They're all conspiricists, fundamentalists, and nutters, with brains the size of peas.
I only have one pea.

Iliad wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Dancing Mustard wrote:After reading this thread in its entirety and after carefully weighing up the arguments on both sides, I am able to declare the following:

Jay is completely wrong about everything he has said here.




This debate is now over, return to your respective abodes.

Narrowed minded types like yourself is the reason why the government has been so successful in covering up the "TRUTH".

First, the government was led to beleive by a certain individual by the nickname, "Curveball" that Iraq had nuclear capablities. Which was WRONG!

Second, Bush strikes at our freedom by conducting illegal wire taps. Yet NO ONE does anything about it. Hmm.

What else does the government have to do to make you realize their against us and not with us.

Maybe when they take our freedom of speach, you'll wake up.

Of course, it is easier to live an absolutely ignorant life then it is to face the facts that your very freedom is coming to an end.

why are all the conspiracy theorists also the REALLY perverse Christians?

More importantly, why are they always the most idiotic, incoherent, unreasonable posters?

got tonkaed wrote:

Neutrino wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Not all are Christian, just check out Yahoo Answers from time to time.

All the ones here seem to be. What ever happened to all the Athiest conspiracy theorists? I'm sure they could twist it around so 9/11 was actually the fault of the Catholic Church...

i think atheism as a belief in the conspiracy theory of religion and God was enough for one lifetime.

Maybe some, but not everyone. Also, I'm at level 4 at the moment, though I'm still rising through the ranks.

Oh god, now Gregorios is a conspiracy believer? This forum is getting shit all over itself.

jay_a2j wrote:This gets into Bible prophecy. Christians , many of them, will refuse to take "the mark". This will be satanic. Now, for a moment, lets assume that this "mark" is a computer chip underneath the skin. It will be used for identification purposes. That's where the ID card comes in. It may be a "first step" to the mark.

I can't really discuss this with you because I'm not an expert on Bible prophecy. I just recently became a Christian and am studying the subject of eternal security. Perhaps when I'm a bit more versed on the Bible I could give you a decent argument.

But for the record, let's say that there is going to be a mark of the AntiChrist. [I think this is what you're talking about when you say "satanic"] Just because that technology is used for evil purposes doesn't mean that the technology is evil itself. Look at your signature. It makes that point that guns aren't evil, it's the people that use them for evil purposes that are guilty. I would make the same point to you concerning IDs.

heavycola wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

heavycola wrote:The fire chief thought it would collapse and ordered his men out of the area. He was proved right. Was he lying about his motivation?

And I say, that IF 911 was an inside job, they are going to cover their bases. Pay people off to say things that aren't true etc. You have to take the collective evidence to draw a firm conclusion, because they can easily get people to say things or even people who were in on it all the time. OJ said he did not kill his ex-wife..... I guess that is fact too.

What? What has OJ Simpson got to do with anything?

The reason this sits so badly with people is because you are accusing these firefighters - men who saved lives that day (by, for instance, clearing the area around WTC 7 before it fell) and who lost countless friends and colleagues - of being lying scumbags who were bought off. And based on what - on some crappy videos you saw on youtube and, apparently, on the correlation between the testimony of OJ Simpson in his own murder trial, and the testimony of these men who worked and suffered for others through what was probably the worst day in their lives.

This sucks, jay.
There is no mystery here, much as you want there to be one. There is only what happened, as recounted by these professionals who were actually there.

No, no, no. There are many firefighters and police who say things like, "I heard several explosions just before the tower started to fall" and " There were bombs in the basement". I am saying that the guy (police chief or whatever he was) you posted saying all that stuff may be lying. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened. I'm not saying everyone that was there is apart of some cover-up. But I believe SOME of them are covering up.




There are many mysteries here!



Airliners fly at an altitude of about 35,000 ft. Cell phones can not be used on airplanes above 6,000 feet because the towers are on the ground and the phone would not be able to function. Either the "Lets Roll!" phone call was made as they were descending or IT'S BOGUS!


After the 1st tower was stuck (after FAA confirmed 4 hijacked planes mind you) our air force sat on the ground. WHY? Fighter planes could have been in the air and intercepted these planes within minutes!


FEMA flew into NYC late Monday night to prepare for a "drill"....yeah they got a drill all right. The next morning was 911.


The data flight recorder of the Pentagon plane, according to the government, flew on the EAST side of a nearby gas station. Eye witnesses, including 2 cops, swear the plane flew by the gas station on the WEST side.


and the list goes on.....

jay_a2j wrote:

On a side note, I don't believe that there is a terrorist threat. I believe it was "made up" in order to usher in the new world order in which the anti-christ will eventually control the world. I know that many people believe that on 911 we were attacked by terrorists and they will find all this a little hard to believe. I was one of them.... I don't know what happened but I can't find the answer to any of the questions I have about 911. To some people, its just easier to believe the governments story...I was one of them. I can't deny facts any longer. And it all looks like its lining up with end time prophecy. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll just have to wait and see.

REALLY?! I'm seriously hoping you're just pulling all our legs this one time. The men who flew the planes were part of Al Queda, one of whom was previously detained in Israel (Mohammed Atta) until Slick Willy and his wife got the Israelis to freed him under an international pardon. So, what's a freed muslim called to the Jihad to do? Why bomb his infidel benefactors, of course. The reason why most people believe the "government's story" is because it fits the bleedin' facts!

jay_a2j wrote:

CoffeeCream wrote:Jay, I don't want to undermine the seriousness of the issue you've raised but wouldn't this be an even better reason to upgrade ID cards? Please don't ask me to distinguish between RFID's or other types of tracking systems because I'm not an expert. I just can't see how having an ID card system in place makes it more terrible.

If someone in my state gets pulled over without a driver's license they have penalties for that. It doesn't make me fear the government!

This gets into Bible prophecy. Christians , many of them, will refuse to take "the mark". This will be satanic. Now, for a moment, lets assume that this "mark" is a computer chip underneath the skin. It will be used for identification purposes. That's where the ID card comes in. It may be a "first step" to the mark.



On a side note, I don't believe that there is a terrorist threat. I believe it was "made up" in order to usher in the new world order in which the anti-christ will eventually control the world. I know that many people believe that on 911 we were attacked by terrorists and they will find all this a little hard to believe. I was one of them.... I don't know what happened but I can't find the answer to any of the questions I have about 911. To some people, its just easier to believe the governments story...I was one of them. I can't deny facts any longer. And it all looks like its lining up with end time prophecy. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll just have to wait and see.




***Note: by "New Word Order" I mean global government not the fall of the Soviet Union.

Oh so you're crazy...

Why didn't you say so?

Serously, there's no talking to conspircy theorists as mentioned in this post it's a "belief", and there's no debating beliefs with those who hold them. They hold on to faith, religously.

jay_a2j wrote:

heavycola wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

heavycola wrote:The fire chief thought it would collapse and ordered his men out of the area. He was proved right. Was he lying about his motivation?

And I say, that IF 911 was an inside job, they are going to cover their bases. Pay people off to say things that aren't true etc. You have to take the collective evidence to draw a firm conclusion, because they can easily get people to say things or even people who were in on it all the time. OJ said he did not kill his ex-wife..... I guess that is fact too.

What? What has OJ Simpson got to do with anything?

The reason this sits so badly with people is because you are accusing these firefighters - men who saved lives that day (by, for instance, clearing the area around WTC 7 before it fell) and who lost countless friends and colleagues - of being lying scumbags who were bought off. And based on what - on some crappy videos you saw on youtube and, apparently, on the correlation between the testimony of OJ Simpson in his own murder trial, and the testimony of these men who worked and suffered for others through what was probably the worst day in their lives.

This sucks, jay.
There is no mystery here, much as you want there to be one. There is only what happened, as recounted by these professionals who were actually there.

No, no, no. There are many firefighters and police who say things like, "I heard several explosions just before the tower started to fall" and " There were bombs in the basement". I am saying that the guy (police chief or whatever he was) you posted saying all that stuff may be lying. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened. I'm not saying everyone that was there is apart of some cover-up. But I believe SOME of them are covering up.




There are many mysteries here!



Airliners fly at an altitude of about 35,000 ft. Cell phones can not be used on airplanes above 6,000 feet because the towers are on the ground and the phone would not be able to function. Either the "Lets Roll!" phone call was made as they were descending or IT'S BOGUS!


After the 1st tower was stuck (after FAA confirmed 4 hijacked planes mind you) our air force sat on the ground. WHY? Fighter planes could have been in the air and intercepted these planes within minutes!


FEMA flew into NYC late Monday night to prepare for a "drill"....yeah they got a drill all right. The next morning was 911.


The data flight recorder of the Pentagon plane, according to the government, flew on the EAST side of a nearby gas station. Eye witnesses, including 2 cops, swear the plane flew by the gas station on the WEST side.


and the list goes on.....

So when the evidence hits you say that people were bribed to say certain things. However then you provide as your "evidence" stuff that eyewitnesses said.

Jay how the hell were they supposed to intercept the plane?

You serious? Ah yes it flew on the west side meaning that the government lied to us and in fact tehy payed thousands of people not to say stuff!

jay_a2j wrote:

heavycola wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

heavycola wrote:The fire chief thought it would collapse and ordered his men out of the area. He was proved right. Was he lying about his motivation?

And I say, that IF 911 was an inside job, they are going to cover their bases. Pay people off to say things that aren't true etc. You have to take the collective evidence to draw a firm conclusion, because they can easily get people to say things or even people who were in on it all the time. OJ said he did not kill his ex-wife..... I guess that is fact too.

What? What has OJ Simpson got to do with anything?

The reason this sits so badly with people is because you are accusing these firefighters - men who saved lives that day (by, for instance, clearing the area around WTC 7 before it fell) and who lost countless friends and colleagues - of being lying scumbags who were bought off. And based on what - on some crappy videos you saw on youtube and, apparently, on the correlation between the testimony of OJ Simpson in his own murder trial, and the testimony of these men who worked and suffered for others through what was probably the worst day in their lives.

This sucks, jay.
There is no mystery here, much as you want there to be one. There is only what happened, as recounted by these professionals who were actually there.

No, no, no. There are many firefighters and police who say things like, "I heard several explosions just before the tower started to fall" and " There were bombs in the basement". I am saying that the guy (police chief or whatever he was) you posted saying all that stuff may be lying. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened. I'm not saying everyone that was there is apart of some cover-up. But I believe SOME of them are covering up.

Then please post these claims, denoting your source.

There are many mysteries here!



Airliners fly at an altitude of about 35,000 ft. Cell phones can not be used on airplanes above 6,000 feet because the towers are on the ground and the phone would not be able to function. Either the "Lets Roll!" phone call was made as they were descending or IT'S BOGUS!

I don't know what this is about, but you are wrong about mobile phones on planes.
35,000 feet is 6.6 miles. Maximum width of a mobile phone antenna 'cell' in the UK is 35km / 25 miles (link to info here). WHich means that a cellphone with clear line of sight should have no problem transmitting to a receiver 6.6 miles away.
here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft that explains why cell phones are banned on flights. They work.

After the 1st tower was stuck (after FAA confirmed 4 hijacked planes mind you) our air force sat on the ground. WHY? Fighter planes could have been in the air and intercepted these planes within minutes!


FEMA flew into NYC late Monday night to prepare for a "drill"....yeah they got a drill all right. The next morning was 911.

I don't know? human error? The fact that FEMA was being run by an idiot?

The data flight recorder of the Pentagon plane, according to the government, flew on the EAST side of a nearby gas station. Eye witnesses, including 2 cops, swear the plane flew by the gas station on the WEST side.

Please link to these statements and explain their significance.

Also please note that I have supplied documentary evidence where possible. It would be good if you could do the same.
(NB: youtube videos put together by college kids are not evidence. If the evidence they present has a source, I want to see that source)